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Current state of PvP, rings and hypocritical players
pando83
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So, just to add some experience to how PvP is now, and who is killing it.
PvP match on my HR alt. As i stated multiple times, its 2.3k, not full trapper, and has a Ring of Ambush +4 on it to, basically, survive the BiS stomping and get to cap. Doesn't even give some advantage in combat to an HR, since you're always stopping to attack. More like a way to avoid being instakilled by BiS players while getting on a node.
Now, this guy BiS geared TR from one of the usual guilds that i'll call "aggressive guild", after the match settles for a 800-100 score keeps attacking and killing me. Then PMs me and says "i have zero tolerance for ring of ambush users".
So i reply "it's on a 2.3k toon, only way to survive current PvP"
Him: "don't come to PvP until you're geared".
"Geared= 4k?"
His answer:
"Ye".
Now, how hypocritical you guys must be to:
- Complain over a 2.3k toon, an HR on top of it, using an ambush ring, when you guys are 2k iLvL higher than them
- Complain over normal players/ low geared toons using these "unfair" rings when you run around in BiS premades or half-premades all the time, stomping these very same 2k players
- Act as if PvP is yours? Don't come PvP until you're 4k iLvL or 3.5k iLvL? Like a cheap bully?
Just to be clear: this alt of mine is in full PvP gear (burning gear). Now, it's not normal player's fault that must get to BiS or stay out of PvP. It's YOU BiS guys who are being "blessed" with a flawed design that puts you against less geared players where a decent system would arrange games between players with similar gear.
Now, while we all know that PvP works that way, it's quite hypocritical to act as if it was the average player's fault for "not being BiS".
This is a sign of how ruined PvP is. BiS players complaining about low gear toons trying to survive the slaughter. And this is the reason why you guys are being left alone by the whole community.
But more of anything, it's funny to me how hypocritical a guy like this, stomping pugs, taking advantage of a flawed system and a much higher gear level, often going premade in pug PvP (yes his guild does this a lot), has the balls to PM a 2.3k toon to complain about him using a stealth ring.
Not having even the honesty to aknowledge that it's a flaw in the system that allows him to face 2k toons and stomp them, but conveniently blaming the other players for not being as geared as him, and saying basically, that unless your as geared as him, you must play at his conditions.
This is your PvP cryptic. The playground of geared spoiled kids, and bullies.
PvP match on my HR alt. As i stated multiple times, its 2.3k, not full trapper, and has a Ring of Ambush +4 on it to, basically, survive the BiS stomping and get to cap. Doesn't even give some advantage in combat to an HR, since you're always stopping to attack. More like a way to avoid being instakilled by BiS players while getting on a node.
Now, this guy BiS geared TR from one of the usual guilds that i'll call "aggressive guild", after the match settles for a 800-100 score keeps attacking and killing me. Then PMs me and says "i have zero tolerance for ring of ambush users".
So i reply "it's on a 2.3k toon, only way to survive current PvP"
Him: "don't come to PvP until you're geared".
"Geared= 4k?"
His answer:
"Ye".
Now, how hypocritical you guys must be to:
- Complain over a 2.3k toon, an HR on top of it, using an ambush ring, when you guys are 2k iLvL higher than them
- Complain over normal players/ low geared toons using these "unfair" rings when you run around in BiS premades or half-premades all the time, stomping these very same 2k players
- Act as if PvP is yours? Don't come PvP until you're 4k iLvL or 3.5k iLvL? Like a cheap bully?
Just to be clear: this alt of mine is in full PvP gear (burning gear). Now, it's not normal player's fault that must get to BiS or stay out of PvP. It's YOU BiS guys who are being "blessed" with a flawed design that puts you against less geared players where a decent system would arrange games between players with similar gear.
Now, while we all know that PvP works that way, it's quite hypocritical to act as if it was the average player's fault for "not being BiS".
This is a sign of how ruined PvP is. BiS players complaining about low gear toons trying to survive the slaughter. And this is the reason why you guys are being left alone by the whole community.
But more of anything, it's funny to me how hypocritical a guy like this, stomping pugs, taking advantage of a flawed system and a much higher gear level, often going premade in pug PvP (yes his guild does this a lot), has the balls to PM a 2.3k toon to complain about him using a stealth ring.
Not having even the honesty to aknowledge that it's a flaw in the system that allows him to face 2k toons and stomp them, but conveniently blaming the other players for not being as geared as him, and saying basically, that unless your as geared as him, you must play at his conditions.
This is your PvP cryptic. The playground of geared spoiled kids, and bullies.
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I do not like it on BIS CW´s like ...... and ...... and ...... and......., all from big PVP guilds.
And I do not like it on worse geared player who try to oneshoot me or troll me waering that ring, pretending it´s for their protection searching for the easy kill.
Sure it´s protective and sure you do not get killed that way easily, but everyone facing these ringuser get´s angry after some time running arround the node searching.
If you want I can send your hunter my feytouched and my negation, I know you will send it back.
Arrived on the node, empty thank god. Stopped to swap out a power. And poof. 5 BISish toons suddenly popped into existance.
What can you do. I lolled all the way to spawn.
I'm also not talking about a toon that can 1-rotate anything. May be specific 2.3k GFs can. For sure, not a 2.3k HR which is not even a permarooter to, basically, avoid (ab)using a broken mechanic. Most 2k to 2.5k toons pose no threat to any 3k+ player with proper PvP setup. Specifically, an HR:
moves slowly= can't hide on a node
can't go stealth with the ring (unless it's legendary?) during a fight since he's always stopping to attack, and forest ghost is faster/ better than a stealth ring for that
so we're not looking at a gamebreaking setup. What the ring allows a low gear toon to do is, basically, avoid being cannon fodder and do what they can do: help capping, instead of being one-shotted on sight by BiS/ geared toons.
I go PvP on this alt for few reasons:
- help guild coffer with conq shards
- dailies
- try builds
How is current PvP, how did BiS PvP guilds transform it into? As you described it in another thread, it's "BiS guilds playground". It's supposed to be pug PvP, but the game allows these guys to run around ALL THE TIME in premades or half premades of 3.5k-4k toons. It's a rule now. 9 times out of 10, you meet a 2-men+ group of these guys. Be it from same guild or a mix of their friends from other PvP guilds. SOMETIMES they don't even have the decency to allow the enemies to cap for reward. And more often than not they mock you for not being as geared as them. Or they tell you to do not go PvP unless you're as geared as them.
So, to sum it up, the above is ok for them, but 2k toons using a stealth ring not to win, but to perhaps get to cap and help the team, isn't.
On my main GWF, i also meet some undergeared toon with these rings. They pose no threat. All it does is allow them to move around freely and avoid death sometimes. But on a node, against geared enemies, it's useless. The BiS toon just sits on the node and seals it. The result of the match doesn't change.
BiS toons get angry for what then? Because the low geared ant is not completely at their mercy? Yeah, that's the reason. How dares the low geared toon escape on his on will? He should be on his knees begging for mercy, while they tell him to do not come back to PvP until he's at least 3.5k.
So i find it quite hypocritical when these BiS guys, who stomp pugs and form 4k premades all the time now, act all offended because my 2.3k HR alt uses a ring of ambush to avoid the hopeless slaughter. Also keeping in mind how these BiS guys are "BiS" because they (ab)used overperforming items, first. Such as T.Neg-T.Fey in module 6. But that was acceptable cause it was confined to their PvP "elite", allowing them to dominate and be immortal vs normal players. Even mocking players for "not using t.neg and t.fey" broken combo.
I also find it quite hypocritical that some BiS players disrespect and mock low geared toons or "pugs", when these guys are basically the reason why they are not enjoying 1 hour domination queues. Which is what would happen if only 3.5k-4k toons were really going to PvP.
May be the devs should really remove the PvP RAD daily and conqueror shards need on guild coffer, so these guys will end up alone in PvP, playing with their e-peenises.
item level is a wrong way to compare 2 players, same geared(itlvl) man from a pvp guild+mount has like 20000 more stats than a non hardcore pvper.
1. if you wanna work, find a job
2. if you wanna enjoy stuff you work so hard for, then dont play mmo, they are all about constant changing (in the ideal case)
Another experience: PvP on my SW alt, this time no ambush ring. Testing ring of siege +4. As usual, 2k team vs 3k-4k premade.
Obvious loss, we fight some, then it's gg. I go on the bridge of hoten map while a small group is trading caps. Suddenly, out of nowhere, comes this 4k GWF from another top PvP guild. Ring of ambush on BiS toon, and kills me.
Then he proceeds to mock me. Another guy from another top PvP guild PMs me and asks "why are you mad?". I explain to him i'm kind of fed up of being trolled by geared kids. And he says "well, i know, but the game is so broken...".
But wait...there's more...that GWF's guild is always running PvP with the guild of the other dude. The one who said "zero tolerance for ambush ring users".
Yeah, because these BiS guys rarely solo queue. They stick together like glue. I doubt it's a coincidence that 9 times out of 10 it's a full geared group from these PvP guilds. Be it the guilds themselves or just group of friends from these guilds...they're all preformed groups.
So you can't use ring of ambush on 2k alts. But if you don't, you are trolled by the very same guilds, bullied, stomped, and then told to do not PvP unless you meet their conditions.
Now, one thing is going PvP with a weaker toon and know that yeah, your chances to win are slim and enemies are stronger, but the enemy will respect you anyway.
Another thing is going into this mess of a PvP environment just to please geared brats and BiS trolls. Been PvP'ing for more than 2 years and it's never been that bad. May be because these guys made 99% of the PvP community leave PvP, and now we have 90% chances to meet these D-bags when we queue.
i am curious, if gg double and triple kills fix can make it more pop again. itzs twnety players per match, its harder to control these matches with jerks group
Now, last match i tried on my HR alt, the enemy team stomped mine. Wrote in "say" chat 2 times "guys, it's 500-0 and 4v5. No reason to stomp".
They kept killing. Every. Single. Player. Who dared come down from the spawn/ attempt to cap. End result: 1000-0, nobody in my team got reward.
This is the current PvP environment.
These guys deserve to be left alone, rotting in empty arenas, playing with their e-peens.
Big part of playerbase go on to lift their K/D ratio looking at the silly leaderboard. I am sure they do not kill for fun, they collect numbers and ratios, wich is the most stupid reason these days having a completely broken system and classes.
Yeah, K/D ratio kills are stupid. But what i do not get is why these D-bags prevent other players from capping to 600 for reward. There's no reason to do so. Players doing dailies need that reward and not allowing them to get it means you're making them waste time. For? Fun? Kills?
This is why i say current PvP should die. And be rebuilt. It's DESIGNED to reward D-bags and stompers.
Which is why PvP pupulation, in these 3 years, pretty much disappeared.
I'd just shut it down until it's reworked. Same as old dungeons. Until it's "D.bag-proof".
The rings? I havent pvped much lately but I was "lucky" enough to get an orange +5 Ring of Ambush. Who the hell is gonna tell me I cant wear that in pvp? Many probably. Will I listen? No. Sure I would have really liked getting orange rising power or brutality or rising precision. Im not that lucky I guess.
Not to mention the rings have had a passover by the devs already. Therefore rings = Wai.
Thats my take on it. Full disclosure again, I have not pvped much lately. To busy farming for Stronghold.
Whenever he was outnumbered or nearing defeat he sprinted right on out of the fight and disappeared. Fantastic rings Craptic, just craptastic.
Personally, I like the new rings, because they help supply me with the one thing that a pvper needs, but can't buy off the AH: opponents.
The rings allow a casual player to be more competitive, or at least spend more time out of spawn, without having to commit to a pve-gimping dedicated pvp build and the lure of salvage and daily AD is enough to get them to pug a few matches a day on however many decent toons they have. Which to me, having noticed this mod that the pvp queues pop much more frequently, dom at least, is all good.
I think two things about the kinda guys who've griefed you: one, they are pissed because ring wearers to them are getting abilities for free what they had to grind the hell out of, back in the day. Rendering their "dedication" if not valueless, then of less value. Two, these are guys that always wanted to stomp. The whole "zero tolerance to ring wearers" schtick, is just the latest rationalization. Yay, now they can stomp, and feel righteous at the same time.
These things are inevitable, so why worry..? You can either cramp your pvp habits, and form a stomp tne stompers vigilante team, exert huge amounts of time and effort tracking these guys and hoping to get a qpop against them... which to be honest would just feed their egos even more, or ignore them as they deserve.
Chill I guess is the tldr. Version, and don't have says or tells on when you pug.
It's ok for these guys to stomp other players using unfair gear advantage and matchmaking flaws, but it's not good if some 2k toon uses a stealth ring.
I can live with sad trolls and D-bags. They know they are D-bags at least. What i find really annoying here is this guy, or BiS toon from other PvP guilds who stomp pugs, acting as if they are some kind of good guys that "do not forgive" 2k toons using ring of ambush.
It's so hypocritical that is really disgusting. I don't see these guys avoid forming premades, or stripping themselves from their broken enchants and gear, when they face 2k toons. So it's quite disgusting to see a 4k player focusing a 2k toon and actually thinking he is the good guy for doing so, even saying the 2ker to do not PvP until he's BiS.
Now, the devs should make a 3.5k+ bracket only for these guys. So they can enjoy their "BiS only PvP", and 1 hour queues.
Now, this is the hipocrisy. These guys run around, often in BiS premades, stomping everything. But when they can't have full control over an undergeared enemy, they get angry. And then they blame every regular player for not being BiS, or almost-BiS geared.
I'm pretty sure they don't even see, these guys from this "aggressive" guild, how hipocritical their behaviour is.
If they wanted PMvsPM, they would arrange a match. If they wanted BiSvsBiS, they would ask for brackets. But this would make them wait 1 hour for a match.
So they blame the regular players cause well, everyone should be as obsessed as them with being BiS in PvP, and they don't even realize that the parasites of PvP are the BiS toons that stomp and go premade. They are the anomaly. The fact that they can get to face toons with half their gear. That is the flaw of the system. Not 99% of the players trying to enjoy PvP even if they didn't spend hundred of dollars, or hours of gameplay, or exploits, to become "BiS". In a game where "BiS" means "detect what is blatantly overperforming and exploit it to the bone".
so move your as s already and let neverwinter pvp regenerate
PM vs PM in my book means everyone in the team excel at their class, know how to be part of the team, know how to teamwork with their partners, know how to do whatever they can to win, but what happen if we apply all the above concerns to two REALLY GOOD TEAMS? You are gonna have BORING GAMES with nobody killing each other, everyone try to repel/knock away their opponent from the nodes, some ppl gets drained and not able to move/use skills (how much skill is left when you cannot use your class tab/daily?) At that point its probably more frustrating than actually enjoying the game. PM vs PM is dead like Lancer said, it's more of 5 man fooling arounds
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2x I met this 3,8GS Pladin fom BTG using stamina drains rank 2 running premade vs. 2-3k chars, in the end standing below our camp and calling a CW skilless/scrubs, talking about his drains he said:
"Even taking them off you have no chance"...what else to say
1x I met this BIS CW 4k+ from EoA using ambush, wich is very common these days for high geared CW´s vs undergeared player.
I met in the sum 5 premades running arround , I do not condem them doing premade btw., but if I should judge 50% of them do not want to face PM´s.
I know the smart guys who do not need that cheating , and I devide them precisely.
Last 5 matches I met low geared groups, facing player killed by one DOT, making me standing arround and doing nothing most time, since I do not enjoy one second these kind of matches.
I only can estimate that lot´s of high geared PVP player these days are some kind of immature, seeing them hunting scrubs to pimp their K/D ratio, so I hope they will change their mind some day.
- Do you BiS guys ever take away your 4k gear when you are facing full 2k teams? I have yet to see this. Is stomping a 2k toon with a 4k toon fair, or acceptable? Nope. I know what you would say. "But the game works like that. It allows us 4k toons to face and stomp 2k toons". Fine. Are you "punished" for this? Nope. You think it's the 2k toon fault, for going PvP while not being "BiS". On the other hand, rings are "how the game works now" too. Just another unfair mechanic, same as the game allowing your 4k BiS GWF to go PvP vs a 2k "free kill". But you think the 2k toon using ambush should get "punished".
- Do you BiS guys refrain from going full or partial premade? Nope. I see EoA, Black Lotus, Midnight, BTG, all together. 99% of the time. Now, since i see 9 times out of 10, these guys together vs 2k teams, i do not think it's a "coincidence". They meet and premade. You Absolute to a less degree. But if you can, you go with guildies right? Forming 2-men or 3-men groups. Of 4k players. Knowing you're most likely going to face a 2k team, or a team with most players way less geared than you. Knowing that your small "premade" will shift the balance of the match.
But you guys keep doing it. And the reason is that yeah, it's unfair but hey, the game works like that. It's our fault for not being BiS or not being in premades, or not being strong enough.
- Do you BiS guys stopped using T.Neg-T.Fey when you saw both were overperforming? Nope. It spread instead, and all BiS players from module 6 onwards used these enchants that only 1% of PvP players could buy (since their price skyrocketed). I quite remember BiS PvP guilds stomping everyone in module 6 with that combo. Did you stop doing it? Nope. Reason: hey, the game works like that, why would we stop using something that is BiS, just cause you guys can't have it? (this is what BiS PvPers said).
In few words, BiS PvP guilds always (ab)used overperforming stuff like eLoL set, T.Fey, T.Neg, the possibility to go BiS premade, their unfair gear advantage, over less geared toons.
So when i read that these players "punish" or "do not forgive" 2k toons using ring of ambush, i call hipocrisy.
I don't use these rings on my main, but i don't feel like i need to be "punished" for using it on a 2k HR in current PvP environment which is RULED by you BiS PvP guys.
You are in EVERY MATCH, many stomp, and some of them often do not even allow the enemy to cap. I've been trolled multiple times by 4k toons from BiS PvP guilds. Few lines were that it was fun to kill weak toons, that weak toons should not PvP (weak=not BiS, cause my HR is in PvP setup with burning gear), and one even killed my toon after a gg when i got no ambush ring, and laughed saying he just "killed a cow".
Now, stop acting as the good guys who must punish a 2k toon using ambush ring. It's so hipocritical that it's almost funny.
I'll unslot that ring on my 2k HR when you guys will stop going premade in PUG PvP, will stop using T.Fey and T.Neg, will strip your 4k gear when facing 2k teams.
Have fun.
Oh, on a side not: Ambush +4 on a 2k HR doesn't make a freakin' difference in combat. Not even vs other 2k toons. Cause in combat you are most of the time stopping every second to attack, so you're not invisible. On a node, also, you are easily spotted. Last: PvP always puts 2k toons vs fully geared teams, somehow. So i'm pretty much NEVER facing 2k enemies, but rather 3k-4k enemies these days.
I kept avoiding broken enchants when you guys were all using it. And got laughed because "hey, you must have these enchants or you're a "pug". I always avoided using overperforming stuff when you guys used it, and kept laughing at me for my choice. I don't use this stuff on my main even now, only regular, "normal performance" stuff, while facing 3.5k+ toons with their precious T.Fey enchants. You guys included.
And now you come tell me that you feel like "punishing" me for using ambush ring on a 2k HR toon, to avoid being a free kill vs your BiS premades and toons, that currently infest PvP due to the very, very low population?
You are quite hipocritical guys. Keep the acting up. It's entertaining.
Also: "No GG for ambush users no matter the gear"? Flash News for Lancer: BiS guys now OFTEN do not give a f.... about GG already, and keep stomping and leave you with no rewards. I've seen EoA, BTG, Black Lotus...players from every BiS PvP guild or geared PvP guild do this. I lost the count of the times i was left without reward by the enemy team, before i started using ambush ring to at least cap to 600 without being one-shotted at every step.
Forgot to talk about drains. Ahahahahahaha.
Even now, on my main and alt HR i only use wards. But these BiS guys? AP drain, stamina drain. Everywhere.
It's so laughable to read the "we don't forgive ambush ring users" acting. Expecially when they pick on 2k toons. So funny.
As i said: i'm ready to salvage my ambush ring on my HR alt, the day i see these guys downgrading to 2k when facing 2k toons due to flawed matchmaking, or when i see them change enchant and stop using T.Fey, when i see them stop using drains, when i see them stop forming premades or half-premades in pug matches. Or when i stop meeting geared D-bags in every match.
It's enough that on my 3k GWF i "play fair" and face these broken guys with regular stuff.
I'll be waiting for you guys to drop your broken stuff and habits and "play fair". When you do that, you can ask for 2k toons to "play fair" too.
- You NEVER get to "play vs other 2k toons" these days. Wait until you get such a match? Then wait forever cause you BiS PvP guys made everyone run away from PvP, and now EVERY MATCH is infested with "BiS" PvPers or BiS premades.
- BiS players go premade in PUG PvP "in ope to find another premade"? Don't make me laugh. They know perfectly well that 9 times out of 10 they'll end up stomping PUGs. They farm PUG PvP, no more no less. It's an old sorry excuse that of BiS premades only looking for other premades. You want that, you can coordinate queue or go to preview.
Now, if you really wanted to help PvP, you guys would stop forming 2-3-4-5 men premades. But you don't. So i'm sorry, what you say is just daydreaming.
Not talking about you Absolute guys. But all the rest of the BiS PvP guilds are like that. About you, what i can say is: do you take off your BiS gear when you face an enemy team of 2k-2.8k toons? To make the match fair? I never saw that.