Ok i'm confused

kevros62

Please tell me if i got this right. on a GWF still bottom end of middle of the road gear. If i read between the lines right.If you have pf
then arm pen and power are what you need most. If you have the vorpal then crit is what your in need of. Most of what i have read is on toons
with top end gear. I'm working on getting there but as you all know it takes time. i supose my main question is sence i have pf already should i increace armpen/power or is crit what i need regaurdless

scathias

You need armor pen to 60% resistance ignored the most. Any DPS toon you make in neverwinter needs 60% RI. And they should make sure they have this before looking to stack any other stats.

Crit becomes more important once you get a lostmauth set. until then i would say raise your crit and power in equal amounts, especially since you don't have vorpal.

kevros62

thanks

ghoulz66

Aim for 40% crit when you're still fresh then focus on other stats from there. When you're happy enough, go for 50% crit, with the help of augments.

kevros62

so with no compaions i should have 60% armpen and 40% crit? wow i'm not even close. With all my companions i have seen my armpen as hi as 57% and crit up to 45%. But that bounces a lot. Depending on variables i'm not sure about for now.

scathias

what companions are you using? Also, what are your stat rolls at? (STR/CON/DEX)

kevros62

str 25
con 22 but 3 of those points are from a belt of constitution
dex 21
int 15
wis 14
char15

i was looking at my stat board with no buffs other than my pets. however i made some eq. changes today and i'm shocked
I managed to come up with 2 of the lostmauth pieces the horn and the necklass. What they did to armpen was unreal. they jacked RI to 70.9%. at the cost of 2k hit point but i'll wait and see how that playes out Mostly i have faced a truth about myself i am expecting more performance from low level blue and purple gear than it can give. so most of my confusion is self inflicted. in the end i need to find lostmauths belt (i think its named something else) Get a vorpal enchantment,Get some new pets, and last but not least save all my up grade stuff and go nuts on 2x enchantment weekends. "the belt is going to realy hurt on hit points lol" If i'm off base with my assesment please give any ideas you got. thanks

kevros62

companions are
cambion magus
archons air,fire,earth
shepard

scathias

Golden belt of Puissance is what you are looking for.

And your pets are actually quite good assuming they are purple (except for the Shepard). If they are not purple then they just need to be upgraded. The Cambion magus is a very expensive pet right now so congrats on getting it. the first pet to upgrade would be the air archon. then the earth.

Are you using bonding runestones on one of those pets? If you are not then it would be better to buy a Ioun Stone of Allure for 400k (or use zen) and gear that up, that will help you solve your crit problems. replace the shepard with the Allure. if you are using bonding runestones then i would get a zhentarim warlock or a blink dog (upgrade to blue) and use that to proc bondings since they are better then any of the pets you have now for bonding procs. You need greater bondings or better for a bonding pet to be better then a augment so don't bother with this until you can get that. and honestly, with where you say your gear is right now i would stick with an augment pet. it is very cost effective. Use a combo of loyal avenger/(loyal commander for the rings since loyal avenger rings are expensive).

And I don't think you will find that your missing hit points will hurt much to be honest, as you deal more damage your temp HP gets better so you are able to survive more easily. Have a read through lazalia's or rinat's gwf guide (or both!) do see how to build your gwf effectively.

one more thing. don't refine your CON belt into the lostmauth belt until 2x RP. Belts and necks don't get the same always 2x RP effect that the main hand and off hand do

kevros62

yes i do have bonding stones on all of them Only one is purple at this time I have both the blink dog and the warlock. in the bank got them from the winter festaval i think the warlock came purple but i'll have to look.when i first got them i didn't think much of them mybe i need to take a better look. i take it the stat increase from the gear you put on your pet procs to you as well. i think i need to look at that as well i belive most of there gear is trash thanks for the tips

kevros62

nope i was wrong the warlock was blue the exsperamenter was purple

kevros62

ok i found something that kind of hurt. you all said to get my armpen to 60% min. so i'm looking at my armpen and it's at 70.9% cool right? i go and change maps armpen drops to 56.7% change maps again and it drops to 53% moved again and it jumps back to 72.3%. Now i am assuming this has to do with how tough the map is. so with that said were should i be when i'm at 60% armpen as a base number? the highest was in drowned shore lowest was in the well of dragons and protectors enclave. Yes i do bounce around a lot lol.

scathias

Different maps scale you to a particular level difficulty. So drowned shore scales you to lv 63 or something and WoD and PE make you have lv 70 stats.
One of the introductions in mod 6 was a different stat scaling system that changes as you level from 60 to 70, as such at lv 63 certain amounts of a stat can give you more benefit then the same amount of a stat at lv 70.

You want to have 60% RI whenever you are standing in a lv 70 zone like PE because that is the level that all the dungeons and end game content is at

kevros62

lol then all my happy was misplaced.

kevros62

I do have some more questions. Bonding stones do they stack? Do they work on all active pets or just the one you have summoned?

kevros62

First off i want to thank you Scathias for all your help. I got search to work today. Not real sure how many times my little ? have been asked but dont think there is enuff time in the day to read all of it. However after reading some of them i'm haveing a hard time HAMSTER my brain around this 1 issue pain giver do you get a extra reward at the end of a run? I have gotten it a few times and don't remember getting anything other than the gold,silver,or bronze and a chest if you have a key. Do i need to put in a bug report to the DEVs? >:)

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icyclass

kevros62 said:

lol then all my happy was misplaced.

Any map that scales down your level won't have any enemies that require the full 60% resistance-ignored. Actually only the baddest bosses have 60% damage resistance.

scathias

the bears in IWD have 55% DR i believe, so yes, very few mobs have 60% but 55% is a real possibility

icyclass

Yeah, I almost mentioned that there's a thread somewhere listing the higher DR mobs (or was it the wiki?). But anyway, armor penetration is a really good return-on-investment stat, but even with flat stat curves there's still some kind of diminishing returns. If you're running around IWD with 40% resistance-ignored you're going to kill bears more slowly but you'll probably be ok (GWF should be tanky enough). But if you go into eToS with 40% RI Syndrith will probably eat your soul.

kevros62

ya in IWD i can do the bears but my rotation has to be perfect if i loose control of my encounter rotation i get ate. the temple still seams to be a issue for me. I get my heart handed to me on a plater way to much. For some reson Demigorgon is easier to survive than the temple. but even then rotation is my main key on doing good and being a contributing member of a group. And i must admit there have been some i was shocked that they did not kick me as bad as i was But i am working on it and being a GWF takes a lot more skill and planing than i thought it wood. Witch makes it a lot more fun than i thought it would be. and this diminising return thing has me a little confused. not real sure what is ment by it.

scathias

if you have 4000 armor pen it is worth 40% RI = 100 points of Arp for 1% RI. at 10k arp you only get about 80% RI = 120 points of arp for 1% RI. (these numbers are close but not completely accurate)

Diminishing returns (in a game anyways) is just the concept of how some stats give a decreasing amount of benefit as you stack it higher. It still helps you, but you need more of the stat when you have 10,000 stats to get an extra 1% increase then you do when you only have 4,000 of a stat.

For you, you don't really have any diminishing returns to worry about since you are not really close to max gear.
One thing to keep an eye on though is the 3rd stats from artifacts that give things like Stamina Gain (example: on the Wheel of Elements) or Combat Advantage bonus (on the lantern of revelation) or Action Point gain (from the Thayan Book of the Dead). Those stats have diminishing returns kick in once you get to only 800-1000 of a stat from them. This boils down to this, don't choose artifacts on the basis of them giving you more of these 3rd stats if you already have like 600 in that stat since it will not benefit you much

kevros62

cool i understand you dont realy loose anything you just don't get as much bang for your buck after 10 k in some of the stats and at a lower number on some of the off stats. as far as artifacts go i only have what the game has given me so far. and the wheel is the only one you named off i have. and thanks to the artifacts i do have. power is the only stat i have thats over the 10k mark. i guess with this new info i need to look at my stats a little closer

scathias

oh, armor pen is the only stat of the main ones that see any real diminishing returns. Stack power, crit, recovery, defense, deflect and lifesteal as high as you want and they will all give 400 points=1% bonus for as high as you can stack them.

kevros62

ok, my moveing power to armpen probly didn't hurt anything power is stile over 12k and was able to bring armpen to 58% with no pet summoned

kevros62

i think i'm going to retry IWD i was below 50% RI last time i was there made it threw the the start up quests but it didn't take me long to know i realy did not belong there yet. and even with the new stuff i think it stile hold the title of true end game content

kevros62

oh man i need to know most of the few builds i been able to find show these rings called personalized adamant rings of piercing. With all the new content are you all stile using them or are the picks old. cause other than the HP issue they look to have some sweet stats and i think a couple of radiant gems in the defence slots would off set the HP thing.The draw back to them is i can't find them for sale anywere at the moment. and probly don't want to know how much AD they would cost if i did. basicly are they stile a top end choice or have they been out classed by somthing else?

scathias

I find they are a good choice, especailly at your gear level, they are from lv 25 jewelcrafting, and you need to get the gemmed exquisite version first (either by making it or the AH (which i think is lots faster and much less hassle).

At the top end of PvE there are other options but you can use those rings for a good long time and not need to switch them out.

The new rings are Meh for GWF IMO, some people like them, and if you can get a +4 or +5 rising power/crit that can work ok. for low geared people though the consistent stats from a personalized ring are more useful. a +4 rising power is the easiest and and fastest to get though and also has 2 slots (on thursdays patch) (luck willing)

thefabricant

scathias said:

oh, armor pen is the only stat of the main ones that see any real diminishing returns. Stack power, crit, recovery, defense, deflect and lifesteal as high as you want and they will all give 400 points=1% bonus for as high as you can stack them.

Recovery sees diminishing returns @scathias, recovery gives recharge speed increase and the formula for that works based on CD/(1+recharge speed increase) and so there is very definitely diminishing returns. Also, recovery is 200:1%, not 400:1%

kevros62

Wow my luck just keeps holding out i been bum rushing the jewel craft to get the AP jewels didn't realy look at the rings and stuff was going to try to buy them on the AD but the price for the high end ones almost gave me a heart failure

urabask

kevros62 said:

companions are
cambion magus
archons air,fire,earth
shepard

Did anyone else wince when they saw this? Not even 40% crit but he kept a 12+ million AD companion.

scathias said:

I find they are a good choice, especailly at your gear level, they are from lv 25 jewelcrafting, and you need to get the gemmed exquisite version first (either by making it or the AH (which i think is lots faster and much less hassle).

At the top end of PvE there are other options but you can use those rings for a good long time and not need to switch them out.

The new rings are Meh for GWF IMO, some people like them, and if you can get a +4 or +5 rising power/crit that can work ok. for low geared people though the consistent stats from a personalized ring are more useful. a +4 rising power is the easiest and and fastest to get though and also has 2 slots (on thursdays patch) (luck willing)

Not sure how the rising rings could ever be bad. You should be popping unstoppable enough to keep up full stacks.