You misread, my build does 10% more damage then yours and thats not even my dps build. The top 2 screenshots are yours (see ray of enfeeblement in the combat log) and the bottem 2 screenshots are mine (see disintegrate in the combat log).
Please point me out your build so I can make a direct comparison by testing it and put an end to this discussion for good, I don't find it in the channel... where you have posted it? (MoF Thaum, right?). I would like to congratulate on your findings, eventually. Eventually. I will test it tomorrow, now it's time to sleep.
That lists the feats. I am not human, but if I was, the last 3 would go into focused wizardry. Switch from the powers tab to the feats tab to see them.
My Bar is as follows: Conduit of Ice (tab) Steal Time Disintegrate Icy terrain
Swath of Destruction Chilling Presence
Furious Immolation Ice Knife
Chilling Cloud Scorching burst
How I play it:
Open with scorching burst to quickly apply smolder (only need to do this once, chilling cloud after). Followed by Icy terrain to apply 6 stacks of chill, you then unload encounter powers as desired.
My Heroic Feeat build is a little different, you could do even more DMG with focused wizardry. But Rotation and Heroic Feat build is just the same (i only use critical conflagration, but, for sure, on a dragonfight CP is wellcome). Also, for boss fight, i would use FtF and RoE (icy veins would help keeping chill up) for a even higher result.
The rotation with FtF and RoE show better result the longer combat time is, while Steal time+Icy Trreain is more like a burst (the only wiable burst for MoF, IMO), so it is good if you kill the target in one rotation.
Also, I think, and as micky asumes, this build is very gear and crit dependent, the more crit you have, and the higher DPS multiplier for crit is (crit severity+Losmauth+Critical Conflagration+etc.) the bigger the difference will be.
Just bear in mind that its my MoF spec, which has not been completely optimised. I normally play a SS CW.
Anyway, great result, a non-optimised build doing 10% more dmg than an optimised one!
*whisper*: he seems to have tested YOUR build with HIS rotation
Off-topic: You've respeced to MoF?
I do it every so often, I enjoy doing dungeon speed runs and you kind of need swath for that, so I spec to MoF every now and again.
You misread, my build does 10% more damage then yours and thats not even my dps build. The top 2 screenshots are yours (see ray of enfeeblement in the combat log) and the bottem 2 screenshots are mine (see disintegrate in the combat log).
Please point me out your build so I can make a direct comparison by testing it and put an end to this discussion for good, I don't find it in the channel... where you have posted it? (MoF Thaum, right?). I would like to congratulate on your findings, eventually. Eventually. I will test it tomorrow, now it's time to sleep.
That lists the feats. I am not human, but if I was, the last 3 would go into focused wizardry. Switch from the powers tab to the feats tab to see them.
My Bar is as follows: Conduit of Ice (tab) Steal Time Disintegrate Icy terrain
Swath of Destruction Chilling Presence
Furious Immolation Ice Knife
Chilling Cloud Scorching burst
How I play it:
Open with scorching burst to quickly apply smolder (only need to do this once, chilling cloud after). Followed by Icy terrain to apply 6 stacks of chill, you then unload encounter powers as desired.
My Heroic Feeat build is a little different, you could do even more DMG with focused wizardry. But Rotation and Heroic Feat build is just the same (i only use critical conflagration, but, for sure, on a dragonfight CP is wellcome). Also, for boss fight, i would use FtF and RoE (icy veins would help keeping chill up) for a even higher result.
The rotation with FtF and RoE show better result the longer combat time is, while Steal time+Icy Trreain is more like a burst (the only wiable burst for MoF, IMO), so it is good if you kill the target in one rotation.
Also, I think, and as micky asumes, this build is very gear and crit dependent, the more crit you have, and the higher DPS multiplier for crit is (crit severity+Losmauth+Critical Conflagration+etc.) the bigger the difference will be.
Just bear in mind that its my MoF spec, which has not been completely optimised. I normally play a SS CW.
Anyway, great result, a non-optimised build doing 10% more dmg than an optimised one!
*whisper*: he seems to have tested YOUR build with HIS rotation
Off-topic: You've respeced to MoF?
I do it every so often, I enjoy doing dungeon speed runs and you kind of need swath for that, so I spec to MoF every now and again.
x micky: Take your time, some will jump your data too eventually (this is why I don't lose my time) but if you like you can highlight the truth. That's the only thing that matter, trolls will never fade but the honests will be safe by doing their own tests and unveil the truth, that's what I care for. Now everything is debunked for good.
Fabricants test show that his build is better than yours.... So I believe that shows that his build is better than yours, no? Not to mention that he isn't the best at playing MoF, whereas you main it.
oh arcofortep12, this is sad... I am sad for you you know? you doing this guide to help people with your awesome build to help newcomers and people relentlessly mocking you. please keep up the good work.
BTW you may want ask someone you trust to read what thefabricant posted again, his results show better performance of HIS build, not yours, like you replied to him.
Yeah I know man, math is hard, but don't worry try again please. your cold numbers somehow failed to give you the cold and hard truth
The world need more people like you, helping the others around, pay no attention to the critics trying to warn you about broken feats or better ways to do things, please, keep doing your good work and follow your dreams, if you follow your dreams they will come true! One day(after cryptic patch lots of things and break things like desintegrate and rimefire smolder) your build will actually be good! Specially for a low IL character as you are trying to help. and not by testing or experience, but just out of your sheer willpower!
Stay confident you doing Gods work here my friend, thank you!
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
Like you said I do these builds to help the playerbase. The comparison has been made to debunk falsehood.
It will not stop the mocking, and it hasn't be made for that purpose but just to let people with no access to ACT know what to expect from them.
I'm not here to criticize anyone's build, one can play like he want, just to punctualize what the newcomers can expect from them. And I didn't even wanted to make such a comparison in the first place, it's him that came here telling 'bad build', etc.
He actually provided something to test this time, testing has been done, testing will be done by those interested, etc. All have fun in Neverwinter.
Then acctualy help them, and do not make them spend next 100k on respec token when they figure out ur build is like 30% of possible effectivnes it could have...
The problem is, ppl cant have fun when after 2.5k IL they still spend 30min of they 40min daily playtime on wipes in t1. They just ragequit or go back here crying coz content is "too hard". And thats your fault.
Like you said I do these builds to help the playerbase. The comparison has been made to debunk falsehood.
It will not stop the mocking, and it hasn't be made for that purpose but just to let people with no access to ACT know what to expect from them.
I'm not here to criticize anyone's build, one can play like he want, just to punctualize what the newcomers can expect from them. And I didn't even wanted to make such a comparison in the first place, it's him that came here telling 'bad build', etc.
He actually provided something to test this time, testing has been done, testing will be done by those interested, etc. All have fun in Neverwinter.
Then acctualy help them, and do not make them spend next 100k on respec token when they figure out ur build is like 30% of possible effectivnes it could have...
The problem is, ppl cant have fun when after 2.5k IL they still spend 30min of they 40min daily playtime on wipes in t1. They just ragequit or go back here crying coz content is "too hard". And thats your fault.
(Sin)cerely Kain
Numbers speak for themselves, for those who want to read them and actually test builds. And yes, content is too hard for 9k Power toons and you can't just tell gear up. Not all people lose their life behind a game, for the majority it's a fun pastime.
Hey, what numbers are you speaking about when you've just tested ANOTHER build with YOUR rotation??? You used the same rotation for two different builds, it is not correct at all. The rotation should match the build, yes?
oh arcofortep12, this is sad... I am sad for you you know? you doing this guide to help people with your awesome build to help newcomers and people relentlessly mocking you. please keep up the good work.
BTW you may want ask someone you trust to read what thefabricant posted again, his results show better performance of HIS build, not yours, like you replied to him.
Yeah I know man, math is hard, but don't worry try again please. your cold numbers somehow failed to give you the cold and hard truth
The world need more people like you, helping the others around, pay no attention to the critics trying to warn you about broken feats or better ways to do things, please, keep doing your good work and follow your dreams, if you follow your dreams they will come true! One day(after cryptic patch lots of things and break things like desintegrate and rimefire smolder) your build will actually be good! Specially for a low IL character as you are trying to help. and not by testing or experience, but just out of your sheer willpower!
Stay confident you doing Gods work here my friend, thank you!
Totatly agree!! You are awesome.
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
Unfortunately I've tested it even when geared and running different rotations, his and mine... because I already knew that people would be replying, it was already in the plan. Before you asked naked, now naked is not good anymore... but for not repeating again the test I have already done that test before and the result is that the difference grow up to a +49% with its rotation and a geared toon: 5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his. His rotation actually slow down him more. I was fair and compared my actual rotation to have a face to face only on feats, instead you now want a comparison with a rotation too... well you have it. Now I know you will bring other groundless motivations to continue this soap opera. But I end here. Continue to persist on your errors and certainties. Hard number will always speak for themselves and people have now the opportunity to run their own test and debunk. Goodbye and happy gaming. I'm always open for those in need. I'm closed for time-wasters.
WHAT HARD NUMBERS?
All what u r saying is numbers taken out of nowhere, NOWHERE, u just made them up. Its ur build, u need to prove us ur build is good, u need to convince us to use it, u cant JUST SAY ur build is good, u need to prove it, and since u r under heavy bashing from so many experienced players... ACT, give me act, give us act, but not only that i want at least 10min video of ur bashing correct rotation with correct build (take any other mof build out there, which is at least semi-acctual) on damn dummy, and then 10min of ur bashing with ur "correct" build with ur prefered rotation on damn dummy, and ACT attached to both of it.
There is like 30ppl on this forum (across different guides) proving u r mistaken, do u rly think we all sit on channel #Lets_bash_arco_more and conspire how to get to ur HAMSTER?
Prove us we r wrong once for all, with something we cant undermine.
Simple "5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his" is just like children in kindergarden, whoever make up bigger number wins.
@thefabricant actualy provided u with act showing his little tweak incrase dmg by 10%, u chose to misread it otherway around... so who will tell me why i even try to convince that rock to move?
PS: 2831000 out of 5450000 is 51.95% so ~52%, so not +49% (thats wrong also btw, u dont put differences in that way) but who bothers with basic math like rounding, here it may help u https://www.mathsisfun.com/rounding-numbers.html. First link in google.
(Sin)cerely Kain
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited February 2016
Okay, as maining a CW since Alpha (I actually have 6 CWs) and as a Moderator since Beta, I'm going to just jump in here real quick and say one long-winded thing... okay probably a few things...
I've been reading Fabricants', Katamaster's, Romeo's, Mickey's (and more) guides, builds, and posts pertaining to CWs for a few years now or however long each has been on our forum. Regardless of how one perceives their posting manners, they are quite knowledgeable in their testing methods and how the CW class (among others) works and should be tested for accurate data.
I would not so readily throw out their advice just because the majority of it contradicts what you believe, were I you. On the contrary, I'd take their advice on the class and any class to heart for simply put, they know what they're talking about. There's only one person's build I take way more consideration in above all others, and that is the SS Rene guide by @ironzerg79, for it so very closely resembles how I have played my main CW since Alpha.
That's just my personal and honest opinion of their information provided here in this thread and others on our forums pertaining to the CW Class, and others. I am as equally baffled as to why their advice is not heeded when it has been presented so accurately and thoroughly, time and time again.
Unfortunately I've tested it even when geared and running different rotations, his and mine... because I already knew that people would be replying, it was already in the plan. Before you asked naked, now naked is not good anymore... but for not repeating again the test I have already done that test before and the result is that the difference grow up to a +49% with its rotation and a geared toon: 5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his. His rotation actually slow down him more. I was fair and compared my actual rotation to have a face to face only on feats, instead you now want a comparison with a rotation too... well you have it. Now I know you will bring other groundless motivations to continue this soap opera. But I end here. Continue to persist on your errors and certainties. Hard number will always speak for themselves and people have now the opportunity to run their own test and debunk. Goodbye and happy gaming. I'm always open for those in need. I'm closed for time-wasters.
What rotation? Can you provide more info about that test? I am interested in encounter and feat diferences.
The problem is that FtF will anyway deal more DMG, while Icy Veins will keedp 6 chills on the target, this is the point that makes me doubtful.
To make things clear: This is your rotation: Ray of Enfeeblement 2x (it stacks, decrease foe's damage and Mitigation), Entangling Force (it Stun an pull your foe in the air), Chill Strike (it briefly Immobilize your foe), Disintegrate (your biggest damage dealer), Scorching Burst (it can add a stack of Arcane Mastery). This is standar solo target rotation: Scorching burst, RoE, tabed CoI, FtF, Disintegrate (all this time we are within 15 ft. from the target to keep chill up). You asume that your rotation does +48.2% dmg? ok, look here:
You have: +30% from RoE, +10% from snap +30% from focused + 15% from arcane presance + 5% from FPT +36% from CP (I admit snap is broken and works with chill and that you have 6 stacks of chill all the time, just laugh)= x3.05 DPS Standart rotation has: +15 from RoE + 36% from CP + 15% from swath + 30% from focused = x2.33 DPS or in other word in a situation that matches your interest for 150% you will do 23% more DPS, and thus, i do not understant from where are those numbers.
Notice that all the procent are multipliers, do not sum them, it is wrong.
Please, post here the raw results, i strongly belive you've saved them to be able to knock us down.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
edited February 2016
When I did my test, I did not do it with no gear, why? Because when you in a dungeon, you not going to be fighting monsters with no gear on. I used the same set of gear for both fights and those were the results I came up with. Gear plays a huge role because things like assailant, creeping frost and warped magics will make up a large portion of your damage with no gear, but a small portion of it with gear. Arco, your build might be the best build possible for naked pvp, but you know what, unless you do premades with a very small portion of the community, then testing naked is completely irrelevant. At no point did I state that I tested naked and I never requested for you to test naked, you chose to do so, even though it gives a less accurate representation of the build in the current circumstances.
If you really want to compare, I *think* somewhere in the range of character 15-20 on preview has gear similar to yours and we can compare.
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Unfortunately I've tested it even when geared and running different rotations, his and mine... because I already knew that people would be replying, it was already in the plan. Before you asked naked, now naked is not good anymore... but for not repeating again the test I have already done that test before and the result is that the difference grow up to a +49% with its rotation and a geared toon: 5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his. His rotation actually slow down him more. I was fair and compared my actual rotation to have a face to face only on feats, instead you now want a comparison with a rotation too... well you have it. Now I know you will bring other groundless motivations to continue this soap opera. But I end here. Continue to persist on your errors and certainties. Hard number will always speak for themselves and people have now the opportunity to run their own test and debunk. Goodbye and happy gaming. I'm always open for those in need. I'm closed for time-wasters.
I am actually going to call data manipulation here, as in, altering the data to falsify the results. If you want, I can post the full combat logs to prove that my results were not falsified in any way, shape or form, would you be courteous and do the same?
There are a few reasons I am going to do this: 1) Despite the fact that there should be no difference between your build and mine in terms of crit (please look at my post to see that this is true) your build in those screenshots has 20% more crit. 2) Lostmauth's vengeance makes up the majority of the difference between those 2 pictures, which relies heavily on crit, what I suspect is for the 1 picture you stacked int+cha and for the other you invested in say str+dex. 3) By dropping those extra points, you managed to make your damage look significantly higher, whilst invalidating the test. 4) Assailant procs should always be roughly the same, its always a % of weapon damage, it isn't effected by buffs (I think there are 1 or 2 exceptions, but nothing significant). This means that for the purpose of testing you used weapons with different weapon damages for the 2 builds.
Unfortunately I've tested it even when geared and running different rotations, his and mine... because I already knew that people would be replying, it was already in the plan. Before you asked naked, now naked is not good anymore... but for not repeating again the test I have already done that test before and the result is that the difference grow up to a +49% with its rotation and a geared toon: 5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his. His rotation actually slow down him more. I was fair and compared my actual rotation to have a face to face only on feats, instead you now want a comparison with a rotation too... well you have it. Now I know you will bring other groundless motivations to continue this soap opera. But I end here. Continue to persist on your errors and certainties. Hard number will always speak for themselves and people have now the opportunity to run their own test and debunk. Goodbye and happy gaming. I'm always open for those in need. I'm closed for time-wasters.
I am actually going to call data manipulation here, as in, altering the data to falsify the results. If you want, I can post the full combat logs to prove that my results were not falsified in any way, shape or form, would you be courteous and do the same?
Look at assiliant DMG, there is clearly another weapon used. in the first case he used a weapon with a damage twice higher that in the second case. Also, the crit chance in the first depict. is about 2 times higher than in the second one. You are right, there is a data manipulation.
Help me understand these images, please. The top one doesn't seem to list Smolder at all and has about double the crit the bottom one has.
Also, the top one has ~40% crit on Conduit of Ice, while the bottom one has 0%.
Well, me too asking for that.
In your Build you use ( page 1 , your build ) :
PVE rotation: Conduit of Ice (high AoE damage, slow foes and add Chill stacks to them), Icy Terrain (add Chill stacks and freeze foes), Steal Time (daze briefly foes), Ray of Enfeeblement against the big one (decrease its damage and its mitigation), Scorching Burst (add Smolder to foes and can provide solid AoE damage, it can add multiple stacks of Arcane Mastery).
PVP rotation: Ray of Enfeeblement 2x (it stacks, decrease foe's damage and Mitigation), Entangling Force (it Stun an pull your foe in the air), Chill Strike (it briefly Immobilize your foe), Disintegrate (your biggest damage dealer), Scorching Burst (it can add a stack of Arcane Mastery).
Both PVP and PVE Class Feature - Critical Conflagration (rank 4) Class Feature - Chilling Presence (rank 4)
(PVE, Boss fight/Demogorgon) Class Feature - Critical Conflagration (rank 4) Class Feature - Swath of Destruction
You said that have used both your rotation ( pve and pvp ) but is JUST IMPOSSIBLE that with Critical Conf ( in your first ACT screeshot there is no trace of smolder, you have done a lot of crit hit, that means that u haven't used your build for do the comparasion, or , if i'm wrong, pls, explain to me and other like is that possible.
Maybe that you used chilling presence + Swath of Destruction ( and in this case can't be your build, you don't use this combination ) in the first image and something different in the second one?
Wrong again... look better what critted and what not... you are lamenting about Ice Conduit not critting while Steal Time critted more on yours (like 2x, and it was still low DPS because you have chosen the wrong feats in the Thaumaturge tree). It's a normal combat situation. Chilling Cloud? Critted more on yours.
You call about data manipulation on a 500.000 points difference (CoI critted abnormally) while the entire encounter lasted for 5.400.000. This shows weakness.
If data is manipulated why I'm asking everyone to test?
Now I re-ran the test and this time I've made your crit far more than mine, here your precious ACT from your data counterfeiter :
I'm not downloading an unlabeled file from some file download site, I don't need malware. Please upload the pics somewhere that is trustworthy such as postimg, imgur, tinypic, etc.
Unfortunately I've tested it even when geared and running different rotations, his and mine... because I already knew that people would be replying, it was already in the plan. Before you asked naked, now naked is not good anymore... but for not repeating again the test I have already done that test before and the result is that the difference grow up to a +49% with its rotation and a geared toon: 5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his. His rotation actually slow down him more. I was fair and compared my actual rotation to have a face to face only on feats, instead you now want a comparison with a rotation too... well you have it.
Now I know you will bring other groundless motivations to continue this soap opera. But I end here. Continue to persist on your errors and certainties. Hard number will always speak for themselves and people have now the opportunity to run their own test and debunk. Goodbye and happy gaming. I'm always open for those in need. I'm closed for time-wasters.
I am actually going to call data manipulation here, as in, altering the data to falsify the results. If you want, I can post the full combat logs to prove that my results were not falsified in any way, shape or form, would you be courteous and do the same?
There are a few reasons I am going to do this:
1) Despite the fact that there should be no difference between your build and mine in terms of crit (please look at my post to see that this is true) your build in those screenshots has 20% more crit.
Wrong again... look better what critted and what not... you are lamenting about Ice Conduit not critting while Steal Time critted more on yours (like 2x, and it was still low DPS because you have chosen the wrong feats in the Thaumaturge tree). It's a normal combat situation. Chilling Cloud? Critted more on yours.
You call about data manipulation on a 500.000 points difference (CoI critted abnormally) while the entire encounter lasted for 5.400.000. This shows weakness.
If data is manipulated why I'm asking everyone to test?
Now I re-ran the test and this time I've made yours crit far more than mine, even by pushing yours it is still far behind, here your precious ACT logs from your data counterfeiter :
This still doesn't explain the lower damage on assailing force. The ONLY thing that could cause that is a weapon that deals lower damage. Face the facts arco, your lies are exposed, now please admit to it, so we can move on and discuss how to fix this build up.
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I go to bed, everything exposed in previous post. It's nightime here.
If I changed a weapon (it should be 3x aka 300% since the Assailant DPS is 3x higher) my DPS would have skyrocketed by 300%. That's not the case obviously. The lie about the weapon change is mathematically impossibile to hold up so I just smile on this. It's obviously the same Ensorcelled one. Eventually I can post a video of a new test, lol. It's beginning to become amusing. Logs are up.
Good night. Peace and love.
Then please, enlighten me, and explain what caused the damage change? And please explain where you got 300% from, because it appears to me that you pulled it out of your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Also, weapon damage does not directly correlate to percent damage of your build, it only plays a small role in a large formula. It would dramatically effect certain feats, such as Assailant, but not so much other things.
And no, you have not explained ANY of it yet. Smolder, Assailant, the Crit Chance?
Cut the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and explain it to us, seriously, or I think it's safe to say that you've been falsifying data for this thread and possibly others, and I'm sure that violates some rules on the forum.
Closing this thread due to the current state of opinion on this build. It has gone way too far.
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Fabricants test show that his build is better than yours.... So I believe that shows that his build is better than yours, no? Not to mention that he isn't the best at playing MoF, whereas you main it.
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BTW you may want ask someone you trust to read what thefabricant posted again, his results show better performance of HIS build, not yours, like you replied to him.
Yeah I know man, math is hard, but don't worry try again please. your cold numbers somehow failed to give you the cold and hard truth
The world need more people like you, helping the others around, pay no attention to the critics trying to warn you about broken feats or better ways to do things, please, keep doing your good work and follow your dreams, if you follow your dreams they will come true! One day(after cryptic patch lots of things and break things like desintegrate and rimefire smolder) your build will actually be good! Specially for a low IL character as you are trying to help. and not by testing or experience, but just out of your sheer willpower!
Stay confident you doing Gods work here my friend, thank you!
The problem is, ppl cant have fun when after 2.5k IL they still spend 30min of they 40min daily playtime on wipes in t1. They just ragequit or go back here crying coz content is "too hard". And thats your fault.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
You used the same rotation for two different builds, it is not correct at all. The rotation should match the build, yes? Totatly agree!! You are awesome.
All what u r saying is numbers taken out of nowhere, NOWHERE, u just made them up. Its ur build, u need to prove us ur build is good, u need to convince us to use it, u cant JUST SAY ur build is good, u need to prove it, and since u r under heavy bashing from so many experienced players... ACT, give me act, give us act, but not only that i want at least 10min video of ur bashing correct rotation with correct build (take any other mof build out there, which is at least semi-acctual) on damn dummy, and then 10min of ur bashing with ur "correct" build with ur prefered rotation on damn dummy, and ACT attached to both of it.
There is like 30ppl on this forum (across different guides) proving u r mistaken, do u rly think we all sit on channel #Lets_bash_arco_more and conspire how to get to ur HAMSTER?
Prove us we r wrong once for all, with something we cant undermine.
Simple "5.450.000 mine vs. 2.831.000 his" is just like children in kindergarden, whoever make up bigger number wins.
@thefabricant actualy provided u with act showing his little tweak incrase dmg by 10%, u chose to misread it otherway around... so who will tell me why i even try to convince that rock to move?
PS: 2831000 out of 5450000 is 51.95% so ~52%, so not +49% (thats wrong also btw, u dont put differences in that way) but who bothers with basic math like rounding, here it may help u https://www.mathsisfun.com/rounding-numbers.html. First link in google.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
I've been reading Fabricants', Katamaster's, Romeo's, Mickey's (and more) guides, builds, and posts pertaining to CWs for a few years now or however long each has been on our forum. Regardless of how one perceives their posting manners, they are quite knowledgeable in their testing methods and how the CW class (among others) works and should be tested for accurate data.
I would not so readily throw out their advice just because the majority of it contradicts what you believe, were I you. On the contrary, I'd take their advice on the class and any class to heart for simply put, they know what they're talking about. There's only one person's build I take way more consideration in above all others, and that is the SS Rene guide by @ironzerg79, for it so very closely resembles how I have played my main CW since Alpha.
That's just my personal and honest opinion of their information provided here in this thread and others on our forums pertaining to the CW Class, and others. I am as equally baffled as to why their advice is not heeded when it has been presented so accurately and thoroughly, time and time again.
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I am interested in encounter and feat diferences.
The problem is that FtF will anyway deal more DMG, while Icy Veins will keedp 6 chills on the target, this is the point that makes me doubtful.
To make things clear:
This is your rotation: Ray of Enfeeblement 2x (it stacks, decrease foe's damage and Mitigation), Entangling Force (it Stun an pull your foe in the air), Chill Strike (it briefly Immobilize your foe), Disintegrate (your biggest damage dealer), Scorching Burst (it can add a stack of Arcane Mastery).
This is standar solo target rotation: Scorching burst, RoE, tabed CoI, FtF, Disintegrate (all this time we are within 15 ft. from the target to keep chill up).
You asume that your rotation does +48.2% dmg? ok, look here:
You have: +30% from RoE, +10% from snap +30% from focused + 15% from arcane presance + 5% from FPT +36% from CP (I admit snap is broken and works with chill and that you have 6 stacks of chill all the time, just laugh)= x3.05 DPS
Standart rotation has: +15 from RoE + 36% from CP + 15% from swath + 30% from focused = x2.33 DPS
or in other word in a situation that matches your interest for 150% you will do 23% more DPS, and thus, i do not understant from where are those numbers.
Notice that all the procent are multipliers, do not sum them, it is wrong.
Please, post here the raw results, i strongly belive you've saved them to be able to knock us down.
If you really want to compare, I *think* somewhere in the range of character 15-20 on preview has gear similar to yours and we can compare.
Also, the top one has ~40% crit on Conduit of Ice, while the bottom one has 0%.
There are a few reasons I am going to do this:
1) Despite the fact that there should be no difference between your build and mine in terms of crit (please look at my post to see that this is true) your build in those screenshots has 20% more crit.
2) Lostmauth's vengeance makes up the majority of the difference between those 2 pictures, which relies heavily on crit, what I suspect is for the 1 picture you stacked int+cha and for the other you invested in say str+dex.
3) By dropping those extra points, you managed to make your damage look significantly higher, whilst invalidating the test.
4) Assailant procs should always be roughly the same, its always a % of weapon damage, it isn't effected by buffs (I think there are 1 or 2 exceptions, but nothing significant). This means that for the purpose of testing you used weapons with different weapon damages for the 2 builds.
Also, the crit chance in the first depict. is about 2 times higher than in the second one.
You are right, there is a data manipulation.
In your Build you use ( page 1 , your build ) :
PVE rotation:
Conduit of Ice (high AoE damage, slow foes and add Chill stacks to them), Icy Terrain (add Chill stacks and freeze foes), Steal Time (daze briefly foes), Ray of Enfeeblement against the big one (decrease its damage and its mitigation), Scorching Burst (add Smolder to foes and can provide solid AoE damage, it can add multiple stacks of Arcane Mastery).
PVP rotation:
Ray of Enfeeblement 2x (it stacks, decrease foe's damage and Mitigation), Entangling Force (it Stun an pull your foe in the air), Chill Strike (it briefly Immobilize your foe), Disintegrate (your biggest damage dealer), Scorching Burst (it can add a stack of Arcane Mastery).
Both PVP and PVE
Class Feature - Critical Conflagration (rank 4)
Class Feature - Chilling Presence (rank 4)
(PVE, Boss fight/Demogorgon)
Class Feature - Critical Conflagration (rank 4)
Class Feature - Swath of Destruction
You said that have used both your rotation ( pve and pvp ) but is JUST IMPOSSIBLE that with Critical Conf ( in your first ACT screeshot there is no trace of smolder, you have done a lot of crit hit, that means that u haven't used your build for do the comparasion, or , if i'm wrong, pls, explain to me and other like is that possible.
Maybe that you used chilling presence + Swath of Destruction ( and in this case can't be your build, you don't use this combination ) in the first image and something different in the second one?
May u explain pls?
I'm not downloading an unlabeled file from some file download site, I don't need malware. Please upload the pics somewhere that is trustworthy such as postimg, imgur, tinypic, etc.
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This still doesn't explain the lower damage on assailing force. The ONLY thing that could cause that is a weapon that deals lower damage. Face the facts arco, your lies are exposed, now please admit to it, so we can move on and discuss how to fix this build up.
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Then please, enlighten me, and explain what caused the damage change? And please explain where you got 300% from, because it appears to me that you pulled it out of your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Also, weapon damage does not directly correlate to percent damage of your build, it only plays a small role in a large formula. It would dramatically effect certain feats, such as Assailant, but not so much other things.
And no, you have not explained ANY of it yet. Smolder, Assailant, the Crit Chance?
Cut the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and explain it to us, seriously, or I think it's safe to say that you've been falsifying data for this thread and possibly others, and I'm sure that violates some rules on the forum.
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