Once again, there seems to be an undercurrent of player-blaming. Might as well petition to get TRs banned for using ITC or SE or a CW using Repel or name your nerf of the week.
Keep the focus on the Devs. What makes me angry about players is the rampant hypocrisy. Players complaining about Draind when they use them as well. Players using Cowardice complaining about Drains. Guilds declaring that my guild uses drains and we suck. Then in my next match, players from such guild are using Drains against me.
If it's in the game, it's fair game. It may be broken, it be unfair, but the Devs put it there. Try and find a way to get around it until it is hopefully fixed.
Your actions to get around the problem will likely get you more satisfying results than waiting around for the Devs to fix it.
what do you expect throwing stones at someone? All this begins with one guild or one player, followed by 10 other who say : "Ah I really feel comfortable playing my 4k+OP and putting on my cowardring+5, now I just can watch TV and press "T" all time running in circles, I will never die" that´s something you really have to get in your brain... some day when you are grown up btw. one point for you being so accurate and defend using that HAMSTER all time, most doesn´t and keep quiet I guess, so you are not lost be aware of the fact that there are games with a PVP community taht follows some codex In NWO PVP is a big big percentage of player who doesn´t care about anything, selfish and a hypocrit attitude towards all things, the "normal" one left I guess
Stronghold siege is already buggy with pets, why not leave them useful in that mess and take them out of Domi and GG?
Tell me about those games where player self-policing actually worked consistently. Bull HAMSTER. Like PvP guilds in this game agreeing not to use every potion available to them in a match? For how long did that work? Funny.
It worked for like almost 4 mods till someone forced everyone else's hand. I'd love to see a return to it. Ambush rings, cowardice rings, rank 2 drains, multiple pally groups... These are the worst of completely skill less and non-entertaining PVP. I am surprised on a daily basis some of the people I see using this junk and some of the long time guilds who allow it.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
If it's in the game, it's fair game. It may be broken, it be unfair
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD . Thank you for the laughts. On the other hand, remember a thing: Devs put in game "perma bubbledins" yet no one sees them as "fair" besides trolls...
Yet EVERY guild has OP bubble-monsters. From PvE to PvP. What do we do to get around them in PvP? Everything we can including our brains. Do I like them? Hell no. Are they fair? Hell no. However,If it bothered me THAT much I would have quit the game already.
If it's there, expect people to use it. Expecting anyone to live by any high code of ethics, especially in this game, is asking the impossible. I have my personal lines in the sand I draw. Sometimes I use drains, sometimes I don't. There is a counter to them.
What is hilarious, is that most of the complaining is done by players in guilds that also use them. Funnier more, is when the complaining comes from players who would routinely stomp on lesser geared players, while being hopped up on every possible potion. Now that those players have caught up in gear, OMG a Drain is against some code!
I do draw the line at those Cowardice Rings. There is no counter and they highly favor certain classes and are insanely effective against other classes. Put a CD on them.
Again, it's a gear-centered game, if you can't handle people using things that they earned first, don't play it.
I'm a bit surprised that you're on the side of people using what they "earned". So they "earned" the ability to use bugged rings that aren't WAI as acknowledged by the devs. That's telling man. The stealth rings do not give "limited" stealth, it's full TR styled stealth. The cowardice ring has no internal cool down, unlike what reads on the tool tip. Keep giving bug abusers an excuse man, I'm sure they appreciate it.
Thanks for your sincere reply.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
I'm a bit surprised that you're on the side of people using what they "earned". So they "earned" the ability to use bugged rings that aren't WAI as acknowledged by the devs. That's telling man. The stealth rings do not give "limited" stealth, it's full TR styled stealth. The cowardice ring has no internal cool down, unlike what reads on the tool tip. Keep giving bug abusers an excuse man, I'm sure they appreciate it.
Thanks for your sincere reply.
Why would that be surprising? TR players have often been abusing various kinds of bugs or grossly overpowered mechanics; they'd be hypocritical to defend that in other cases while decrying it here.
Interestingly the individual in question went whisperknife during that time if I remember correctly and yet now defends clearly defined bugs. I mean these rings have been called out as not WAI by devs.. why would anyone defend their use? SMH.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
I'm a bit surprised that you're on the side of people using what they "earned". So they "earned" the ability to use bugged rings that aren't WAI as acknowledged by the devs. That's telling man. The stealth rings do not give "limited" stealth, it's full TR styled stealth. The cowardice ring has no internal cool down, unlike what reads on the tool tip. Keep giving bug abusers an excuse man, I'm sure they appreciate it.
Thanks for your sincere reply.
Why would that be surprising? TR players have often been abusing various kinds of bugs or grossly overpowered mechanics; they'd be hypocritical to defend that in other cases while decrying it here.
Interestingly the individual in question went whisperknife during that time if I remember correctly and yet now defends clearly defined bugs. I mean these rings have been called out as not WAI by devs.. why would anyone defend their use? SMH.
I was the one who came up with the original WK/Scoundrel build. Day 2 preview server. I was 17.5k at the time. I was nearly beating BiS players until they figured out how to counter it. It was entirely new so players needed time to adjust. Good players adjusted to it and Scoundrels still got nerfed. @macjae was one of the biggest complainers when all CWs needed to do was slot Repel.
Oh, I also knew of the other apex build and that was the MI Sab. It was the truly overpowered build because it was permastealth. But it's okay if your buddy Sic plays a BiS overpowered build and little old me is abusive for coming up with a great Scoundrel build? Once again, the hypocrisy.
Let me ask you this. When have any of you not played the optimal build for your class? I'm currently NOT playing the optimal build for my class, I'm playing something that is still effective and fun. 95% or more TRs in PvP are playing MI Sabs.
Atm I play the optimal build and I do use same things anyone does except coward, because it is so broken and destructive. Ambush I did use very rarely and only against TR´s with cookie-cutter-builds, who focus warlock with SE all 10-12- seconds I do not use buff-potions. I do not stomp. I do not insult pugs nor BIS player at first, seeing a 4k char with coward or ambush I chat and ask why, met a GF 4k with coward and ambush in dwarfen valley yesterday....PVP guild (no names) I played damnation>fury> temptation in PVP through mods, so most time weaker trees I killed tons of OP´s even high geared up to 4k with one rotation (esp. one encounter), but thats due to their broken aura and not mine, it happend far more often being damnation than fury (strange) I did never kickabuse, never oneshot lostmouth (sure I would if i could) and I payed for my HAMSTER or just farmed it
I'm a bit surprised that you're on the side of people using what they "earned". So they "earned" the ability to use bugged rings that aren't WAI as acknowledged by the devs. That's telling man. The stealth rings do not give "limited" stealth, it's full TR styled stealth. The cowardice ring has no internal cool down, unlike what reads on the tool tip. Keep giving bug abusers an excuse man, I'm sure they appreciate it.
Thanks for your sincere reply.
Why would that be surprising? TR players have often been abusing various kinds of bugs or grossly overpowered mechanics; they'd be hypocritical to defend that in other cases while decrying it here.
Interestingly the individual in question went whisperknife during that time if I remember correctly and yet now defends clearly defined bugs. I mean these rings have been called out as not WAI by devs.. why would anyone defend their use? SMH.
I was the one who came up with the original WK/Scoundrel build. Day 2 preview server. I was 17.5k at the time. I was nearly beating BiS players until they figured out how to counter it. It was entirely new so players needed time to adjust. Good players adjusted to it and Scoundrels still got nerfed. @macjae was one of the biggest complainers when all CWs needed to do was slot Repel.
Oh, I also knew of the other apex build and that was the MI Sab. It was the truly overpowered build because it was permastealth. But it's okay if your buddy Sic plays a BiS overpowered build and little old me is abusive for coming up with a great Scoundrel build? Once again, the hypocrisy.
Let me ask you this. When have any of you not played the optimal build for your class? I'm currently NOT playing the optimal build for my class, I'm playing something that is still effective and fun. 95% or more TRs in PvP are playing MI Sabs.
Apparently you didn't actually read my post. I already stated this, that you were playing a suboptimal build during the time of the MI saboteur. At the time you said it was because you didn't agree with the SE build, it was OP. I didn't care if you play a "build". I do care when people use broken, bugged, not WAI rings whether they are using them "defensively" or offensively. They have the same net result and in the end everyone can claim defense.
So you can calm down your self righteous tone mate. I always played and always will play an optimal build because in Premades they're the only ones that matter. Next time I'll not offer some defense or lend you credibility, that was my mistake.
I'll add this. I will never use the rings in PVP, nor will I use drains in PVP because they detract overall from the game. They make it completely and utterly skill less and create a non competitive unenjoyable environment. I tested the rings the first day I had them, got trolled in a single SH siege with them so I trolled back. Then I put them up for good. Haven't touched them since. Ultimately you can play with conscience or without it. It's an individual choice. I take deaths because I refuse to use that stuff until the devs fix it.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
still there is no real counter to stamina drains second, im not sure but probably my guild is the only one with rank 2 drains and wards and it will take years for the most (pvp guilds included) to catch up
still there is no real counter to stamina drains second, im not sure but probably my guild is the only one with rank 2 drains and wards and it will take years for the most (pvp guilds included) to catch up
and this is the point where it begins.... some will use them, others can´t but want and others deny using them but in the end it will start the next great disbalance in PVP being used exclusivly by the big PVP guilds and probably will be worse than cowardring and ambush together rank 2 drains and no ward to face them = byby PVP and thx cryptic, noone ever will understand what the intention is behind such c.rap
Please accept my sincere apology for my misinterpretation of your comment.
As for Cowardice getting a fix ......Yes!
On the subject of Drains:
They are unfair against PUGS no doubt. Are they really unfair against highly geared players in large guilds? That's actually where I get the most complaining from.
If we all used them, wouldn't it cut down on daily spamming that a lot of people complain about?
Also, Guilds have access to wards plus the ward improvement boon. That's a strong counter.
Again, take them away and I won't miss them. But the constant crying over them is totally uneccessary.
If we had bracketing and other measures to promote better matchups, the people who get hurt most from the drains would rarely face them.
Once again, we come full circle to the reality of NWO PvP. Its problems are systemic. Which leads me right back to my stance on if it's available to use and it can be used against you, it's fair game in the wild west.
Apology humbly accepted. Glad for the incoming Cowardice fix, now ambush needs to be "partial stealth" like visible outline within node distance (like stealth reveal used to be).
As far as the drains go, less dailies wouldn't bother me although with how much self healing classes have equal geared toons may never kill each other. The bigger problem is stamina drain. No dodge, no sprint, no block... worst mechanic in any game ever. Get rid of the Drains, wards, and all that junk because it forces everyone to use them and move completely away from (making obsolete) the dragon glyphs. Why outmode a previous option by forcing a no option scenario on players?
I wish the devs would stop trying to be creative in this avenue. We make builds based off of class strengths and weaknesses... rings break those mechanics, and drains break all classes abilities. I wish they'd remove all this junk.
Thanks for your reply.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
Gutbusters has them as well and it took a lot of work, as you know, to get to that point.
So we are unable to press the advantage? It won't last forever. Another reason why I call hypocrisy on anyone from guilds like Absolute or EoA who have annihilated PUGS with premades for the longest time by pressing every advantage.
I'll also call BS on Forsaken Rebels and BTG who have called me out for using Drains. I'll even take mine out just to fight "fair" and what do I get in return? People from those guilds using drain against me. It's all a joke on everyone who PvPs. Which is why I totally understand why you @rayrdan doesn't bother. Nobody is winning right now. Honestly, if I do more than 3-4 matches it's a rare day.
Press every advantage? I'd be careful calling out my guild on my forum post m8, I thought we took a step back towards being considerate. The only "advantage" we press is being BIS. Throwing out guild names is against the forum rules I'd like to remind you and for the sake of this not becoming a guild throw down I'd appreciate if you refrained from doing it in the future. I don't run drains, never have, never will. "We" don't use any of those broken rings in our premades. I'd ask you hold off on the righteous tone for the second time m8.
Tnks for your reply.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
So I have been told by other members of BTG. Perhaps it was right after they came out, so I'll take your word for it about current conduct. As for the other guilds, not so much.
Again... we DON'T use drains. Nor Rings in Premades.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
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All this begins with one guild or one player, followed by 10 other who say : "Ah I really feel comfortable playing my 4k+OP and putting on my cowardring+5, now I just can watch TV and press "T" all time running in circles, I will never die"
that´s something you really have to get in your brain... some day when you are grown up
btw. one point for you being so accurate and defend using that HAMSTER all time, most doesn´t and keep quiet I guess, so you are not lost
be aware of the fact that there are games with a PVP community taht follows some codex
In NWO PVP is a big big percentage of player who doesn´t care about anything, selfish and a hypocrit attitude towards all things, the "normal" one left I guess
Thanks for your sincere reply.
Ambush I did use very rarely and only against TR´s with cookie-cutter-builds, who focus warlock with SE all 10-12- seconds
I do not use buff-potions.
I do not stomp.
I do not insult pugs nor BIS player at first, seeing a 4k char with coward or ambush I chat and ask why, met a GF 4k with coward and ambush in dwarfen valley yesterday....PVP guild (no names)
I played damnation>fury> temptation in PVP through mods, so most time weaker trees
I killed tons of OP´s even high geared up to 4k with one rotation (esp. one encounter), but thats due to their broken aura and not mine, it happend far more often being damnation than fury (strange)
I did never kickabuse, never oneshot lostmouth (sure I would if i could) and I payed for my HAMSTER or just farmed it
So you can calm down your self righteous tone mate. I always played and always will play an optimal build because in Premades they're the only ones that matter. Next time I'll not offer some defense or lend you credibility, that was my mistake.
I'll add this. I will never use the rings in PVP, nor will I use drains in PVP because they detract overall from the game. They make it completely and utterly skill less and create a non competitive unenjoyable environment. I tested the rings the first day I had them, got trolled in a single SH siege with them so I trolled back. Then I put them up for good. Haven't touched them since. Ultimately you can play with conscience or without it. It's an individual choice. I take deaths because I refuse to use that stuff until the devs fix it.
https://youtu.be/YMUfAtazQRY?t=1m30s
Please, please, someone defend this to me. I will find great entertainment in your replies I would imagine.
second, im not sure but probably my guild is the only one with rank 2 drains and wards and it will take years for the most (pvp guilds included) to catch up
some will use them, others can´t but want and others deny using them but in the end it will start the next great disbalance in PVP being used exclusivly by the big PVP guilds and probably will be worse than cowardring and ambush together
rank 2 drains and no ward to face them = byby PVP
and thx cryptic, noone ever will understand what the intention is behind such c.rap
As far as the drains go, less dailies wouldn't bother me although with how much self healing classes have equal geared toons may never kill each other. The bigger problem is stamina drain. No dodge, no sprint, no block... worst mechanic in any game ever. Get rid of the Drains, wards, and all that junk because it forces everyone to use them and move completely away from (making obsolete) the dragon glyphs. Why outmode a previous option by forcing a no option scenario on players?
I wish the devs would stop trying to be creative in this avenue. We make builds based off of class strengths and weaknesses... rings break those mechanics, and drains break all classes abilities. I wish they'd remove all this junk.
Thanks for your reply.
Tnks for your reply.