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konshiro99
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By taking gift of haste and combat triage as well and using heal over time powers you can give people in your immediate area unlimited Action Points, It should be fixed.
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A lot of things need some balance added to them. This AP thing is definitely one of them
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On node for hours
It's broken-as-h3ll shat that's being going on for ages, which the devs take no interest in fixing, while the class players just go hush-hush and try to makes excuses for stuff that's inexcusable in the first place.
Ever seen what a MI TR does when teamed up with a DC?
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
i want a buff for my Brood of hadar, so in case I survive i can probabaly counter him pressing 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 until he pops ITC
lets ad this to the thread about needed skill to play classes...lol
when you or ally within 30' of you takes damage they receive a heal over time effect from you that heals 500% of weapon damage over 10 seconds.
an ally cannot trigger this effect already affected by shield of the divine.
Additionaly bastion of health- healing word-divine glow no longer directly heals allies, instead apply regenaration effect to affected allies for double that amount for over 12 seconds.
2.Gift of haste: THE heal overtime powers grant the target 5% of their total ap when they applied.
.FAIFTHFULL capstone with gift of haste tree since we talk about bugs. How faithfull give ap with gift of haste when all members have gift of faith? gift of faith doesnt allow HOT heals.
SO gift of haste should change to apply only when trigger hot not when you apply the power.
@mamalion1234
Jesus man, Gift of Faith had disscusion in module 4 and devs never done with this anything. Cooldown is one of the easiest ways to "fix" this but not ONLY ONE SOLUTION. In first post you said thats its not bug, are ya sure, man? Last time i fought with DC and OP, OP always had Divine Protector activated. Maybe first look on ACT logs and learn to counter some things. In cryptic logic applying trigger have chance to not work.
Now look mate on logs.
15:10:15:19:41:18.1::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.1::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,ShowPowerDisplayName,60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.2::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.2::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.3::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.5::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.5::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,ShowPowerDisplayName,60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.8::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:18.8::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,ShowPowerDisplayName,60.9549,0
15:10:15:19:41:19.0::Shadica,P[508472970@16949145 Shadica@flipilipi90#3184],Zephon,P[507272684@15010031 Zephon@zephon91],,*,Gift of Haste,Pn.Upr71x,Power,,-60.9549,0
If this is not a bug then i gonna to laugh, look carefully on timer.
ALSO if you pull repel whatever virtuous away from his teamate the teamate doesnt get ap from shield of the divine learn to counter some things before you talk please.
I AM suprised noone talk about gift of faith which : follow everywhere the player compare to shield of the divine you need to be 30' of your cleric.
you gain bonus to this value based on your damage resistance. OMG another one ap source get serious poeple remove snails ap kits and sigil of devoted then we can talk about capstones.
its a bug know from most player who do PVP its an experience like spamming dailies in a row endlessly 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 like that, ok
its reported time ago, noone cares
http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1192035/dc-ap-bug
Devoted Sigil and snail are an entirely different story. Would be nice if dailies were actually a once every 1-2 minute deal for all classes, instead of a spammable if geared right power. I find it funny my HR has a cool down timer on certain daily powers (Forest Ghost, Meditation, Disruptive Shot: OMG so overpowered they require a timer!) yet on my TR I can spam SE all day long.
Am I cryptic, ask them why they don´t care and don´t spam irreleveant stuff, its a bug as I wrote and has to be fixed, devs do not care its reportet before , thats all, like in 100 other cases
30`is far enough you stay on node spam dailies in a row and there is nothing to excuse
and it only works in PVP not in PVE !
obviously the devs are not aware of this
its only in PVP and you can spam endlessly dailies, thats what you call WAI?
the exact reason is given in the thread and relies on the PVP feat that set a HOT on you any time you get hurt, so interacting with some , lets say aura or rebounce phenomen it results in an endless instant refill of your AP making you spamming Dailies
WAI lol no its broken that way for sure, some ppl are blind
Gift of haste is not bugged. But however i do agree and i posted it very long before that clerics under Faithful build should not apply gift of haste, since they no longer apply Heal over time effects.
Now, why is gift of haste proccing a lot? because it procs everytime a HoT is applied. How many HoT's a virtuous cleric can apply:
1. Cleansing fire feat; a HoT triggered by damaging encounter powers.
2. Shield of the divine; a HoT triggered one an ally is hit, only triggers once, so only 1 gift of haste.
If the cleric uses powers:
3. Divine glow
4. Healing word x3 => x3 gift of haste.
5. Bastion of health
6. Sunburst (only in divinity)
So the feat is not bugged, It does what it says. As some people said that it should be everytime a HoT triggers, then it would be worst; a HoT triggers every second, and every second a gift of haste? that would be insane. So the feat is good and working as intended once a HoT is applied.
Edit: I'm user of this feat cause it is demanded, and it works perfectly in dungeons; only when i apply my HoT's, cause im HoT XD. but maybe i haven't noticed in large raids, that probably, other HoT by other players maybe be causing this feat to trigger again once they have activated a cleric's HoT on them, and that is not WAI.
AND i hope that fix they have now to preview for: valor and divine protector damage loops will help also to stop multiproc on those two classes the gift of haste.
In addition.. ops themselves can gain a ton of a/p back by themselves, not including recovery builds and snails.
There is virtually a way for every class to increase their own ap gain 20-30% total easily..
You can hate it, but its there. removing battery builds from dcs, make them even less useful, and pretty much forces every dc into righteous build , as there would be little outside of that for pve purposes anyways.
If it's considered a bug, I want the following to be addresses as bug as well:
- TR perma stealth
- HR perma root
- OP perma Divine Protector
- GWF perma over-DPS
- HR + CW, perma stunning and killing
Many classes have the opportunty to maximize some features for PVP: clerics can do the same.
Why do you look at the finger and not the moon? It's not the cleric, it's overall PVP design that allow that.
On the other hand in PvE, all parties want AP spam.
Oltreverso guild leader
Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF
I was running around as Virtuous quite a while, only giving it up for pvp reasons, the healing part of the capstone being broken hurts quite a bit there. So I have no problem with battery builds, and even if there would be no bugs, giving OPs permanent bubble is well within the reach when going through rotations. It's just, something fishy does seem to exist and it's frustrating not being able to quantify it.
The problem is some DoT powers from enemies cause gift of haste to activate. They dont activate shield of the divine, as an ally cannot trigger the feat more than once, but DoT powers trigger gift of haste as if shield of the divine was triggerin 't several times but its not, so thats why gift of haste triggers.
This can be seen when poison fields (heart of the green dragon); fire fields (power fire bomb from ecc last boss), acid damage (ambush drakes), but not all DoT cause this. This means DoT from enemies players dont trigger this, some NpC enmies do it, and artifacts such as the above mentioned.
So my conclusion is gift of haste is indeed bugged ONLY with some Damage Over Time effects.
"Your Heal Over Time powers also grant the target 1/2/3/4/5% of their AP when they are applied"
The first keyword for me is "powers", whereas "Heal over Time" is the category/nature of the power: the effect is not given by the heals, but it's given because the power is used. You don't need to heal to trigger GoH: infact GoH is triggered even when a PG is full HP (all clerics have recharged the AP of the team before the boss even if they are full HP and the pleayers are not healed by the power).
The second keywords are "when they [the powers - not the heals directly] are applied". This could be the source of the problem, because mainly we don't have the list of condition from the devs when this talent is considered "applied" correctly. We only have our game exeperience. "Applied" could simply mean "used (<- link)", or something more complex like "used + healing".
Under Shield of Divine, the HoT power lasts 12 seconds and there are many circumstances where the power can be considered "applied" in this timeframe.
Following the logic above, I don't understand a sentence like "So my conclusion is gift of haste is indeed bugged ONLY with some Damage Over Time effects". We don't have any clear evidence from the dev on when the power is considered "applied"...again it doesnt' mean "heal" necessarely.
If a v-cleric has high recovery and slotted with DG, HW and BoH, GoH can be triggered seamless, even without Shield of Divine.
Look at this sentence:
"Your Heal Over Time HEALS also grant the target 1/2/3/4/5% of their AP when they are applied"
This is a complete different animal in my opinion, but this is how GoH is interpreted by many players.
Oltreverso guild leader
Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF
Maybe I wasnt quite following.
I've just written down my personal interpretation of GoH. I'm open to reconsider my interpretation, but probably we should discuss it with the devs. In this context, whatever is your personal interpretation, it doesn't mean that it's a bug.
I see many skills from other classes that look like bugs: this comes from the perception that they are overpowered (and probably they are).
That's why I state that if the AP gain from GoH is a bug, then the perm OP bubble (I know an OP who doesn't need any cleric to have the perma bubble), the perma TR stealth and the SW puppet (in PvE) are a bug too.
I would not accept this skill nerfed if the other classes are not nerfed for similar reasons.
I've +92% AP gain: it took a lot of effort to reach that point and my build is based on GoH, but I'm PvE mainly. I can cast AA in seconds, being a decent alternative to the OP bubble.
Oltreverso guild leader
Maga Othelma - DC | Svalvolo - SW | Dente Avvelenato- GWF