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Changes to tarmalune tradebar store?
thefiresidecat
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I thought that was supposed to be in this update? I might have misremembered. When can we expect that change?
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Trade Bar changes are going to go live on the PC version with the release of Underdark.
We still do not have a definite date on when these changes will be applied to Xbox.
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But I do believe they shouldnt say its accidentally because we dont believe that any longer hehe.
Also they should drop longer imho, or maybe a lockbox resurgency thingy would be awesome, need some stuff from older lockboxes...
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In a way it's actually quite nice. The Xbox economy has been far better than the PC due to Cryptic learning from mistakes with the PC over the last couple of years. In others, unfortunately Xbox will likely be consistently behind due to publishing restraints and risks in making mistakes as there is no way to quickly push out patches and corrections.
If you want to not use the trade bar store until you get it that's up to you...
But it is worth noting that the hostility in which you said it is exactly why MMO companies don't "warn" players of making changes.
Hostility really? we go months being disregarded and ignored we get content that was broken on PC loaded in we get shafted with price reductions on major marks after double RP we get nerfs to leadership even though we have no gateway (which we could easily have by the way), we see guys with serious specs getting mysteriously one shotted in dungeons by adds hell the list could run this forum out of bandwidth and we are being hostile lol.
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There's any number of ways to say you want the changes without resorting to making it out as if the developers are just being greedy or trying to squeeze money out of you. Logically...if they did...they wouldn't be dropping the price now would they?
In any case, this isn't about wants. We don't know when Xbox will be getting the trade bar changes but it can't have any issues when it does. The changes to leadership were delayed too but I don't seem to recall people being upset about that. What they were upset about was that it came much earlier than even the Community Team expected they would.
Sadly, again this is a practical decision due to the fact Microsoft has a strict system for pushing updates out due partly because of their certification process. It's the same reason why PC has patches every single week and Xbox does not.
I posted that we would not be using the store until the price reductions, however as you raised the issue the pricing for zen in this game is extremely high and unless a small guild has a whale in there to help others out progress since mod six can be painful and slow. My complaints have always been about the impact on the average players, others have repeatedly highlighted perceived levels of greed, feel free to spin through my posts and find how many times I have posted in that vein.
It wont be high numbers (if at all).
Maybe sigmund might have an opinion on you going straight there.
We keep being told by those from PC, members and Mods how easy it is for them on PC may I ask do you play on Live, I noticed you joined the forum 12 days before me which is interesting, so we have been on here about the same time.
If you are on Xbox hit me up and run through some content with our guild and show us where we are going wrong and where the game isnt broken
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If your up for it I would welcome the input.
As for the Zen store prices, I know thousands of posts is a lot but I am not quiet regarding my distaste for the price format. I tend to be very up front with my opinions regardless of the mod status. I promise you I say exactly how I feel.
However, I am also a person who tends to step back and look at things from a myriad of angles before making an opinion. As friends will be quick to say I am very opinionated but I don't get to those opinions haphazardly. As such I am also not a person to be upset when I lose my toys if it means the greater good.
Now, PC players don't have it easy. What they had was years of an inflated market. Yet throughout that time period I promise you not a day went by where people didn't complain they couldn't afford what they wanted. The devs put more and more sinks in to try to make AD valuable (which was a major request as AD had been worth less than 500:1 for nearly two years) but it got to the point they added in so many sinks nobody except a select few could really keep up.
Enter the massive changes to the economy a few months back. They reduced the amount of income in order to increase the value of AD. Lower supply and equal demand results in higher prices. This actually benefits players who are not buying AD as all of their time is worth more.
However with that we got three additional problems: previous AD is still in the market. New AD might be too hard to earn. Sinks were blanaced for the old AD generation.
But it is not easy to balance all of that. If new ways of gaining AD go too high we'll end up inflating the market. If sinks are dropped too low then we'll inflate the market. And of course the old AD will be there for a while which just adds another complicated variable to take account of. As such for once they are doing the right thing and doing all of these changes slowly so that they can see the effect on the market.
This is the exact opposite of what I have come to expect from class balances where they do so many large changes are once the balance goes back and forth violently after every module instead of making constant small tweaks over the course of months.
We don't have it easy. Frankly PC players envy that Xbox has a much more balanced economy because Cryptic has learned from the mistakes on PC. Xbox was released with a number of too little too late changes that came to the PC which left Xbox with a much more stable economy than we had and even now, as I alluded to before, PC players are sort of the guinea pigs for Xbox as the Xbox patches just can not be easily pushed to live.
More so, the severity is that if there is some major exploit in which people can dupe all of the AD they want there is no way for them to push a fix out immediately. There's no "hot-fixing." You apply patches on Microsoft's schedule. With the PC version if such a worst case scenario occurred they could take down the server, make a stable fix and get the game up within the day at least. On Xbox you then have to go through the verification process and whatever other steps they require.
Why risk day(s) of downtime? So they don't. With the economy there's no room for error so they don't risk those errors going to Xbox.
But at this rate you are no more in the know than I. We can argue back and forth all day but in the end this is how it is. Take it or leave it. Some changes you will be thankful for not getting for a while and some changes you might want sooner. In any case from what I have been told we should not expect any changes to how this process is being handled.
Never say never...but don't hold your breath.
Others will have to draw their own conclusions as to whether holding back on the price reduction squares away with the precedent of hitting us with the negative revenue changes (leadership) at the same time as PC (which I suspect didnt require MS approval either)
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That gets misinterpreted as a drive to increase cashflow from the playerbase and is what causes some of the ill will.
They need to reduce those sinks and the prices as quickly as possible to maintain the balances that existed before (however skewed they felt it was).
Bringing the price reductions across to the Tarmalune trade house would be a small step in the right direction imho.
Anyhow I think we flogged this particular dead horse into the ground so will leave it there
no kidding. I only wish I saw this a month ago. LOL. the only thing I'd say is if you want the fire archon at epic I'd buy it now. Everything else.. save those bars.
are you kidding? the cost of zen high? right now we are back to 14000 k ad for 100 zen.. that is CHEAP.. Cheap cheap cheap.
to the mod, we didn't complain about the Ad being later because it was negative. excited about the tarmalune bar because it's positive.
Debates here are basically all about how PW is only worried about their own pockets and not giving back to the play base. This to me is 98% true. Of course they are worried about their pockets as in all companys are. That is why they are where their at. Problem is most company's give there players incentives to keep playing. PW gives a worthless zen increase. I mean seriously, 400 zen if you purchase 100$ worth!? 1 task in the old leadership gained me 3x that amount. Why not give 400 zen to each purchased zen amount? That would be giving back. Most people I know find it much more appealing to spend 10$ then 100$ on zen at a time. Hell you can't even buy a 10 pack of keys for 10$ worth of zen.
Now pw is doing mass banned on people buying from 3rd party sites. I get that totally. Again give a little more and people wouldn't go that route. Doing these bans are pissing people off even more and pushing gamers away. Couple with the GREATER marks being reduced after dbl rp, constant servers disconnects a couple weeks ago, constant unplayable dungeons in mod 5 due to lag, constants nerfs or "buffs" making certain classes useless. It adds up. Player base will drop dramatically come this fall with all these triple a titles dropping. Nows the time to remove head from butt and give some back to the players. Cause if pw doesn't, I hope they made their money on the 8 months this game has been out...
RWTing sites are on every single MMO regardless of pricing structure. Fact of the matter is that no matter what those sites can and do undercut the company and there is really no price point in which the company can drop to (and this is all meaning any MMO develeoper) short of not only no longer being able to make a profit but also causing their game to lose incentive to play.
What I mean by that is that there are games which stood tall and refused to sell power in any way. Games which I used to have a ton of respect for because it was the morally correct thing to do for a game. However when that is the case then players still use these RWT services because they are cheating .
So the solution is to not stand tall and sell no gold/ad/whatever because cheating will be...yeah,
But then on the other side of the equation there is only so much that can be sold before playing the game is trivialized. There's a fine line between not being worth it to spend money and not being worth it to not spend it. When I game teeters to the point that it is not worth not spending money (and we are nowhere close to that despite the doomsayers most prolific in the PvP Community) then the game loses it's sense of achievement.
And a game without any sense of achievement becomes a game nobody wants to play anyway. So it's a complete catch 22 in which there is no true solution and a range of opinions on what is too little and what is too much to sell in the middle which honestly drives companies to accept that there is literally nothing they can do to stop any complaints as any change will tick somebody off. That doesn't mean they won't change something but rather that they really don't bat an eyelash as for every person happy with any pricing change another person will be ticked even if they are a sack of cheating...thing.
I still don't understand why these changes were implemented on xbox one. Yes I understand the developers wants us to run in parallel with pc but, the community doesn't hold the threat of botting. The market took a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> after leadership was changed. And I'm assuming the 3rd party ad sites started becoming more popular.
Overall my main <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is that casual gamers really can't make a significant amount of ad to buy the better gear/item. It's nearly impossible. You have to dedicate 100's to 1000's of hours to save up for that new perfect blah blah. Even steady playing players have to do the same. Unless you dump massive amounts of $ into the game, you won't get even 1 good gear in a month. Just saying.
Think of them like pirate websites. Do you think the movie and entertainment industry wants copies of their work being distributed for free? No. They'd love a magic wand to take down pirate websites but despite that and billions of dollars in fighting them these websites have existed for years doing just that. It simply takes far longer to shut down websites with legal force than it takes pirates to put up new servers illegally.
And make no mistake, selling MMO currency, accounts or progress is in fact illegal. It hurts the quality of the product, requires a large amount of resources to combat and is in fact making money off of something you have no right to sell. It's quite literally akin to buying a copy of a movie and then selling copies to other people.
And that's excluding the fact that many such sites use stolen credit card information to make valid purchases to resell at a lower value.
So they are here to stay. All we can do is try to limit the damage they cause by trying to quickly get those accounts banned and reduce their ability to function but it will never be perfect as they always evolve with whatever protective measures are taken against them.
As for the answer to whether you can bot on Xbox. Simply: yes. You can.
An Xbox is just and overpriced computer with old hardware. It can be botted and the fact that Xbox players consistently talk about gold spammers confirms it. There's not an army of people making accounts to earn AD to sell at a discount price or spamming that they are willing to sell. It's all automated to some extent.
Additionally, the gateway was a factor but it was not the cause. The developers removed leadership from the gateway before removing AD from leadership. The bottom line is that people made leadership farms which added more AD into the system for a select few (and even that was nothing compared to the amount the bots were able to gain) for a few minutes of character hopping.
The biggest mistake was ever putting such a system in place to begin with. The second biggest mistake was waiting so long to change it. If players earn more currency for NOT playing the game than playing the game then there's a huge problem...and that's what leadership did from day one.
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Really I'm not going to keep going. This all has just been my opinion and assumptions on these matters. Players need better more consistent ways of making ad. If this don't happen , y'all will be putting the ban hammer down alot. Then people will leave. I have already seen it. I'm not justifying cheating if that is what you think. I'm more trying to emphasize the need for better ways to make ad. In no means am I personally complaining. I make do. I really enjoy the game and will continue to do this.
I love playing Neverwinter and I wish it the best. I honestly hope they find a way to rid the game of RMT.
I belive it would bring a much needed balance to the game. From my experience though, I have never witnessed a developer who successfully removed third party vendors from their game. They have been around since the first MMO and I feel they will be there until the last MMO.