Everything at 60 and 65 is worthless. Focus on leveling up whatever powers your using to 3 and 4 points
Ok man, im doing good in pvp level 61 now, with your build! The problem is those high geared players.
I using at will lance of faith Encounter: forgemaster flame, prophecy of doom and healing words. Daily hollowed ground and hammer of fate
Would it be better if i used divine glow on me, break the spirit on the foe and then forgemasters flame?
yes, but if you think those high geared players suck at 61 its going to get a lot worse at 70. The meta for pvprs is faithful immortals. righteous DCs die a lot
Can you actually do kills with faithful? or is it just holding the node?
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
mostly holding nodes, but if your aim is to kill DC is not the best class for competitive PVP, even righteous
battle fervor is nice feat and gift of haste is great feat. both work solo and party
in dungeons i use bastion of health and astral shield in PVP i switch to sun burst and astral shield solo i use chains and either astral shield or sun burst. (divine sun burst do little damage but it proc allmost every feats u got) usualy i use break the spirit as third encounter since its the only contorl DC have. against groups of 5 or more, i find searing light to be the easiest and stongest. for "DPS" DC its great source of healing and it proc crit fast i use divine glow as well
battle fervor is nice feat and gift of haste is great feat. both work solo and party
in dungeons i use bastion of health and astral shield in PVP i switch to sun burst and astral shield solo i use chains and either astral shield or sun burst. (divine sun burst do little damage but it proc allmost every feats u got) usualy i use break the spirit as third encounter since its the only contorl DC have. against groups of 5 or more, i find searing light to be the easiest and stongest. for "DPS" DC its great source of healing and it proc crit fast i use divine glow as well
Sorry i don't like your build!! If you build a righteous is not to use astral shield and bastion of health, you should build a virtuous or faithful!!
battle fervor is nice feat and gift of haste is great feat. both work solo and party
in dungeons i use bastion of health and astral shield in PVP i switch to sun burst and astral shield solo i use chains and either astral shield or sun burst. (divine sun burst do little damage but it proc allmost every feats u got) usualy i use break the spirit as third encounter since its the only contorl DC have. against groups of 5 or more, i find searing light to be the easiest and stongest. for "DPS" DC its great source of healing and it proc crit fast i use divine glow as well
Sorry i don't like your build!! If you build a righteous is not to use astral shield and bastion of health, you should build a virtuous or faithful!!
I agree with solbergx. It's a compromise and not specialized at least for PvE: you're in a grey area where you heal a bit thank to your feats, but not as needed to be a strong healer (you're not faithful or virtuous). On the righteous side, I see a strange compromise to increase your dps and provide some buff at the same time. It's my impression that you want to have a bit of everything (just observing your build and rotation) : some heals , some haste, some buffs, some dps without excelling at anything and this is the main problem imo. Regardless your item level, If a party needs a healer, you're not the best If a party needs dps, you're not the best choice If a party needs buff, you're not the best again (no Condemning gaze as an example).
You should have clear what role you want play and then specialize. As an example, I'm an healer/AP gain cleric and this is my main role. When I reached the point that I was overhealing, I decided that it was time to add other features and that's why I added some righteous feats to buff more and heal less. Today I'm still an excellent healer/haste cleric and on top of it I can provide decent buff/debuff as a plus - clearly I cannot compete with a good righteous on this.
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If you are a casual pvp/pve player, you can go righteous. It allows you to speed up the run for more AD, completing solo stuffs and not be annoyed by low il enemy player in pvp. 3k+IL faithful tank cant do anything to a 2k IL enemy when faced 1v1, but righteous DC can just kill and rotate.
battle fervor is nice feat and gift of haste is great feat. both work solo and party
in dungeons i use bastion of health and astral shield in PVP i switch to sun burst and astral shield solo i use chains and either astral shield or sun burst. (divine sun burst do little damage but it proc allmost every feats u got) usualy i use break the spirit as third encounter since its the only contorl DC have. against groups of 5 or more, i find searing light to be the easiest and stongest. for "DPS" DC its great source of healing and it proc crit fast i use divine glow as well
Sorry i don't like your build!! If you build a righteous is not to use astral shield and bastion of health, you should build a virtuous or faithful!!
It's good his build for PVE and a Righteous can use both powers with profit. When matched with a low geared party he would not have any choice actually. For PVP it will not work.
If he is just uses astral shield and bastion of health all the righteous feats that increase personal damage done are useless, so he is wasting like 15 feats, the only one that would work would be bear your sins, even avatar of divine would have no use at all.
Righteous its better with str + wis, and his build would be better with dex + con
if you are casual player that want to do dungeons. you have to use BoH and astral sheild.
other wise i will be kicked in 1 min. and for a reason. if there is a OP or SW I can skip astral shield or BoH.
at the end I need to keep the party alive, I also give them bit % damage. thats my point of DPS DC
for pvp it works OK. but it wont save you from death. again it works great in groups and if you have high HP, astral shield is invicible
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
righteous is not a build for queing dungeons, its meant for taking a dps slot in a premade. If your stuck on healing duty the team is not getting they advantages of the healing capstones (high ap gain or clutch heals) or the advantages of high end buff/debuff. DC is fortunate that our builds are not really ilvl dependent to make these contributions (unlike a tact gf for example who needs high DR to make big contributions and that is tied to DR).
I have healed in T2 runs as a righteous. It's not fun for me and relys heavily on a having a tank and it wasn't fun for my team (i healed out of necessity not choice).
if you are casual player that want to do dungeons. you have to use BoH and astral sheild.
other wise i will be kicked in 1 min. and for a reason. if there is a OP or SW I can skip astral shield or BoH.
at the end I need to keep the party alive, I also give them bit % damage. thats my point of DPS DC
for pvp it works OK. but it wont save you from death. again it works great in groups and if you have high HP, astral shield is invicible
So your main role is: "at the end I need to keep the party alive".
I suggest to go faithful or virtuous, not rigtheous. At later stage when your stats are higher, you can respec and add something from the rigtheous to "give them bit % damage" or switch righteous. Just because you're a casual player who want to run dungeons, the specialization is a must and your role must be clear. Imo your build is a tentative to have everything onboard since the begining which is the opposite of specialization. Then - of course - you're free to play the way you prefer.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
righteous does not need to be healing, its a waste of a build
I typically caveat people that dont know me with "I am not a healer, I do not give AP"
Do i heal? certainly i heal a great deal with divine glow, but i use it primarily as a buff/debuff and i do not think people should depend on it for survivability. I am not going to use bastion because its not what im there for. Im not going to try and shoot kiting ranged dps with divine glow. I heal enough for a gf using knights valor to cover the team. That's it
Can i heal more, certainly, but its not a role that is optimal for my build
Have i healed, certainly, when there is no other option (ex. healer dcd)
In general as a righteous you should be focusing on premades. Whether you do it via LFG or friends list. It's an opportunity to make sure the team composition matches your skills and your build does not compromise the success of the party
I will not assume because i have healed through eToS and eCC out of necessity that I am capable of healing just any group that ques into a dungeon
just to be clear, i am "DPS' DC that use BoH and astral shield if needed. for example, dungeons and demogorgon. if its not needed (other DC's, OP etc.) i switch my encounters.
solo i do nont use BoH. but if its hard i will use astral shield (most solo activity i do not use it but when farming mots i find astral shield useful) with the new skirmish no healing is needed so i usualy use searing light, chains and BTS. for PVP i usualy use sun burst, astral shield and BTS (sometimes chains or FF)
i have all boons open and my GS is between 2.7 to 3.5 (i stoped reinforce lately and changed allmost all my gear)
I only do random PVP and have around 50% success. i am not a 'killer' PVP player but even 4K GWF will find it hard to kill me. (just to be clear i have no chane of killing a 4K GWF, but i will debuff him and mange to stay alive)
when building righteous path. I need to consider what is usefull (start from the end cause its easier) T5: fire of the gods - great DoT, good for PVP and tough fights. condemed gaze is not that impressive in my opnion (there are many debuffs DC have allready)
T4 bear of sins / peircing light - i prefer bear of sins
T3 living fire - i have problems with those feats as a DC. i heal from divinr encounters, crit hits, astral seal... and beside PVP i do not find myself below 30% HP for long period weapons of light - only works on party memebers and not myslef, if you want to be specialized in party activity it might be ok. i didnt find something nice in T3 righteous
T2 ancient warding is HAMSTER (i use alot annointed army and max it to 4 but still its HAMSTER) righteous suffering - cosider i always draw attention and get hit, its allmost allways active (even if I jump it activate)
T1 i took both, very simple and there are not many options up to T4
once I reached capstone of righteous. what else? there are 15 points to use and I can use any path i find battle fervor usefull (15% Power +8% DR for me and the party) and hastering light is awsome. to be honest even lasting wishes is not bad
if you think "DPS" DC shouldn't do healing at all, i invite you to put on 2.5K GS and join eTOS run.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
I run eToS mutliple times a day. I may not be 2.5k but i run it (3.4 is my usual party ilvl). I take a tank. A good tank can survive off of Divine Glow, if divine glow is not enough I will slot foresight, if Divine Glow and Foresight are not enough... i take a healer. My interest is in debuff first and buff second not healing. If I was to be using BoH and Astral Shield then I'm not keeping my debuffs proc'd on the mobs. If I'm not debuffing then the team would be better off taking virt/faith dc instead. Can a righteous DC heal a dungeon? yes. But if your going to play the role of healer, why not spec to be a healer and excel at what your doing?
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I run eToS mutliple times a day. I may not be 2.5k but i run it (3.4 is my usual party ilvl). I take a tank. A good tank can survive off of Divine Glow, if divine glow is not enough I will slot foresight, if Divine Glow and Foresight are not enough... i take a healer. My interest is in debuff first and buff second not healing. If I was to be using BoH and Astral Shield then I'm not keeping my debuffs proc'd on the mobs. If I'm not debuffing then the team would be better off taking virt/faith dc instead. Can a righteous DC heal a dungeon? yes. But if your going to play the role of healer, why not spec to be a healer and excel at what your doing?
@putzboy78 not sure if you knew this or not, but the DR gain from astral shield actually improves the GF's itf buff....by 40%. This means that by slotting astral shield and putting it down on the tank before he casts itf actually increases the parties damage by more then any of the debuffs you have available to you as a dc, so its worth dropping the weakest one if you co-ordinate with a GF.
putzboy78 probably i miss something for debuff you will do the same regardless GS as far as heals, you say its hardly needed. again talikng about random protector group.
whats wrong with hastering light and battle fervor?
half of our enconters are helas, righteous should not use them?
i am not saying no to damage. but DPS cleric can boost heal when needed. if I am only DC in demogorgon its heal or half hour break
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
edited February 2016
@thefabricant Yeah with a tact GF I usually run with foresight and divine glow on them to up their RI. I don't typically use empowered shield only because most mob fights are far to short and I'm using empowered BtS. I only called out Astral Shield because of the reference in using it with BoH meaning that two encounters are being taken up by non-damage/debuff powers. Empowered BtS is only 30% of course but a bit more forgiving if you don't know that your tank is a tact or if your not coordinating as you mentioned. If coordinating and on boss fights (more stationary fighting) then divine astral shield is definitely the way to go.
@plavia There's nothing wrong with using Hastening Light if you have high AP, i just don't. I don't have Battle Fervor because I'm a DO not an AC.
and that's why i say that righteous is designed for queuing randoms.
The righteous path debuffs condemning gaze, bear your sins, power of the sun, all proc on damage dealt. If you use diving glow you heal and do damage. If your using BoH and Astral Shield you aren't dealing damage and therefore not procing these debuffs.
Question putzboy, what is good about divine astral shield? last i checked it gives pretty crappy temp HP. If i am running shield i use divine anything else and empowered shield, never divine shield though.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
i don't use divine Astral Shield ever. There's only one scenario where i use Astral Shield and that as described above is for buffing into the fray for gf. Even though empowered divine glow is currently bugged, that's typically where most of my divinity will go.
just to be clear, i am "DPS' DC that use BoH and astral shield if needed. for example, dungeons and demogorgon. if its not needed (other DC's, OP etc.) i switch my encounters.
solo i do nont use BoH. but if its hard i will use astral shield (most solo activity i do not use it but when farming mots i find astral shield useful) with the new skirmish no healing is needed so i usualy use searing light, chains and BTS. for PVP i usualy use sun burst, astral shield and BTS (sometimes chains or FF)
i have all boons open and my GS is between 2.7 to 3.5 (i stoped reinforce lately and changed allmost all my gear)
I only do random PVP and have around 50% success. i am not a 'killer' PVP player but even 4K GWF will find it hard to kill me. (just to be clear i have no chane of killing a 4K GWF, but i will debuff him and mange to stay alive)
when building righteous path. I need to consider what is usefull (start from the end cause its easier) T5: fire of the gods - great DoT, good for PVP and tough fights. condemed gaze is not that impressive in my opnion (there are many debuffs DC have allready)
T4 bear of sins / peircing light - i prefer bear of sins
T3 living fire - i have problems with those feats as a DC. i heal from divinr encounters, crit hits, astral seal... and beside PVP i do not find myself below 30% HP for long period weapons of light - only works on party memebers and not myslef, if you want to be specialized in party activity it might be ok. i didnt find something nice in T3 righteous
T2 ancient warding is HAMSTER (i use alot annointed army and max it to 4 but still its HAMSTER) righteous suffering - cosider i always draw attention and get hit, its allmost allways active (even if I jump it activate)
T1 i took both, very simple and there are not many options up to T4
once I reached capstone of righteous. what else? there are 15 points to use and I can use any path i find battle fervor usefull (15% Power +8% DR for me and the party) and hastering light is awsome. to be honest even lasting wishes is not bad
if you think "DPS" DC shouldn't do healing at all, i invite you to put on 2.5K GS and join eTOS run.
to putzboy78 if I heal then yes. my only chance to debuf is one encounter + at will + annointed army. keep in mind i only need to proc fire of gods and break of sins. but i buff AP and got faster combo then healrs due to avatar and gift of haste. (and i usaly manage to proc righteous feats)
when i use full buff i also give AP boost from divine SB or regular divine glow.
I found a video for devoted cleric righteous level 70 pvp module 8, which its rare!! He uses DG, BtS and FF, i think he has twisted symbol too https://youtube.com/watch?v=IjuzFDbrbxQ
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
Pretty standard pvp rotation against a pretty weak team in comparison (no tanks no healers)
looks like he is using feytouched
He's a gutbusters (elite), with a 4.2 ilvl in his mod 7 gear or 4.387 ilvl in his mod 6 high prophet pve setup
He's also running with a healer DC and an OP for protection
They let the other team have their own base so the score is deceitfully close
Hard to take much else away from the video otherwise
Question about PoTS: is the 5% crit reduction multiplicative (0.95*crit chance) or additive (crit chance - 0.05). I always thought the latter, but can never be quite sure.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
edited February 2016
good question, ive never tested it but if you catch me on dc channel and are willing to test with me I would be glad to test it. Personally I've never used PotS because it seems pretty meh based on both outcomes. The tooltip definitely reads like the former but I always assumed the latter.
There is a DC channel? :P Need to join that I guess.
I am angling for a Righteous build that makes good use of damage debuffs. BotS + DG (when they fix divine stacking :P) + BtS + Foresight = ~48% single-target damage reduction (provided Foresight applies to damage before mitigations). Also, given that BotS looks like it will never leave my bar, this felt like a good use of feat pts.
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DC_CHANNEL, its an open channel, not very active but i keep it turned on regardless. There's been some all dc dungeon runs and a bit of theorycraft discussion
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battle fervor is nice feat and gift of haste is great feat. both work solo and party
in dungeons i use bastion of health and astral shield
in PVP i switch to sun burst and astral shield
solo i use chains and either astral shield or sun burst. (divine sun burst do little damage but it proc allmost every feats u got)
usualy i use break the spirit as third encounter since its the only contorl DC have.
against groups of 5 or more, i find searing light to be the easiest and stongest. for "DPS" DC its great source of healing and it proc crit fast
i use divine glow as well
If you build a righteous is not to use astral shield and bastion of health, you should build a virtuous or faithful!!
On the righteous side, I see a strange compromise to increase your dps and provide some buff at the same time.
It's my impression that you want to have a bit of everything (just observing your build and rotation) : some heals , some haste, some buffs, some dps without excelling at anything and this is the main problem imo.
Regardless your item level,
If a party needs a healer, you're not the best
If a party needs dps, you're not the best choice
If a party needs buff, you're not the best again (no Condemning gaze as an example).
You should have clear what role you want play and then specialize.
As an example, I'm an healer/AP gain cleric and this is my main role. When I reached the point that I was overhealing, I decided that it was time to add other features and that's why I added some righteous feats to buff more and heal less. Today I'm still an excellent healer/haste cleric and on top of it I can provide decent buff/debuff as a plus - clearly I cannot compete with a good righteous on this.
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Righteous its better with str + wis, and his build would be better with dex + con
if you are casual player that want to do dungeons. you have to use BoH and astral sheild.
other wise i will be kicked in 1 min. and for a reason.
if there is a OP or SW I can skip astral shield or BoH.
at the end I need to keep the party alive, I also give them bit % damage.
thats my point of DPS DC
for pvp it works OK. but it wont save you from death. again it works great in groups and if you have high HP, astral shield is invicible
I have healed in T2 runs as a righteous. It's not fun for me and relys heavily on a having a tank and it wasn't fun for my team (i healed out of necessity not choice).
"at the end I need to keep the party alive".
I suggest to go faithful or virtuous, not rigtheous. At later stage when your stats are higher, you can respec and add something from the rigtheous to "give them bit % damage" or switch righteous.
Just because you're a casual player who want to run dungeons, the specialization is a must and your role must be clear. Imo your build is a tentative to have everything onboard since the begining which is the opposite of specialization.
Then - of course - you're free to play the way you prefer.
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I typically caveat people that dont know me with "I am not a healer, I do not give AP"
Do i heal? certainly i heal a great deal with divine glow, but i use it primarily as a buff/debuff and i do not think people should depend on it for survivability. I am not going to use bastion because its not what im there for. Im not going to try and shoot kiting ranged dps with divine glow. I heal enough for a gf using knights valor to cover the team. That's it
Can i heal more, certainly, but its not a role that is optimal for my build
Have i healed, certainly, when there is no other option (ex. healer dcd)
In general as a righteous you should be focusing on premades. Whether you do it via LFG or friends list. It's an opportunity to make sure the team composition matches your skills and your build does not compromise the success of the party
I will not assume because i have healed through eToS and eCC out of necessity that I am capable of healing just any group that ques into a dungeon
for example, dungeons and demogorgon. if its not needed (other DC's, OP etc.) i switch my encounters.
solo i do nont use BoH. but if its hard i will use astral shield (most solo activity i do not use it but when farming mots i find astral shield useful)
with the new skirmish no healing is needed so i usualy use searing light, chains and BTS.
for PVP i usualy use sun burst, astral shield and BTS (sometimes chains or FF)
i have all boons open and my GS is between 2.7 to 3.5 (i stoped reinforce lately and changed allmost all my gear)
I only do random PVP and have around 50% success. i am not a 'killer' PVP player but even 4K GWF will find it hard to kill me. (just to be clear i have no chane of killing a 4K GWF, but i will debuff him and mange to stay alive)
when building righteous path. I need to consider what is usefull (start from the end cause its easier)
T5:
fire of the gods - great DoT, good for PVP and tough fights.
condemed gaze is not that impressive in my opnion (there are many debuffs DC have allready)
T4
bear of sins / peircing light - i prefer bear of sins
T3
living fire - i have problems with those feats as a DC. i heal from divinr encounters, crit hits, astral seal... and beside PVP i do not find myself below 30% HP for long period
weapons of light - only works on party memebers and not myslef, if you want to be specialized in party activity it might be ok.
i didnt find something nice in T3 righteous
T2
ancient warding is HAMSTER (i use alot annointed army and max it to 4 but still its HAMSTER)
righteous suffering - cosider i always draw attention and get hit, its allmost allways active (even if I jump it activate)
T1
i took both, very simple and there are not many options up to T4
once I reached capstone of righteous. what else? there are 15 points to use and I can use any path
i find battle fervor usefull (15% Power +8% DR for me and the party) and hastering light is awsome.
to be honest even lasting wishes is not bad
if you think "DPS" DC shouldn't do healing at all, i invite you to put on 2.5K GS and join eTOS run.
probably i miss something
for debuff you will do the same regardless GS
as far as heals, you say its hardly needed. again talikng about random protector group.
whats wrong with hastering light and battle fervor?
half of our enconters are helas, righteous should not use them?
i am not saying no to damage. but DPS cleric can boost heal when needed.
if I am only DC in demogorgon its heal or half hour break
Yeah with a tact GF I usually run with foresight and divine glow on them to up their RI. I don't typically use empowered shield only because most mob fights are far to short and I'm using empowered BtS. I only called out Astral Shield because of the reference in using it with BoH meaning that two encounters are being taken up by non-damage/debuff powers. Empowered BtS is only 30% of course but a bit more forgiving if you don't know that your tank is a tact or if your not coordinating as you mentioned. If coordinating and on boss fights (more stationary fighting) then divine astral shield is definitely the way to go.
Notice i set @arcofortep12 up for that exact same thing at http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1191938/mod-8-anointed-champion-faithful-pve-pvp-build/p2 , lol
@plavia
There's nothing wrong with using Hastening Light if you have high AP, i just don't. I don't have Battle Fervor because I'm a DO not an AC.
and that's why i say that righteous is designed for queuing randoms.
The righteous path debuffs condemning gaze, bear your sins, power of the sun, all proc on damage dealt. If you use diving glow you heal and do damage. If your using BoH and Astral Shield you aren't dealing damage and therefore not procing these debuffs.
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if I heal then yes. my only chance to debuf is one encounter + at will + annointed army. keep in mind i only need to proc fire of gods and break of sins.
but i buff AP and got faster combo then healrs due to avatar and gift of haste. (and i usaly manage to proc righteous feats)
when i use full buff i also give AP boost from divine SB or regular divine glow.
i guess it depend what encounters you like to use
Its for my righteous lvl 61 DO DC.
He uses DG, BtS and FF, i think he has twisted symbol too
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IjuzFDbrbxQ
looks like he is using feytouched
He's a gutbusters (elite), with a 4.2 ilvl in his mod 7 gear or 4.387 ilvl in his mod 6 high prophet pve setup
He's also running with a healer DC and an OP for protection
They let the other team have their own base so the score is deceitfully close
Hard to take much else away from the video otherwise
I am angling for a Righteous build that makes good use of damage debuffs. BotS + DG (when they fix divine stacking :P) + BtS + Foresight = ~48% single-target damage reduction (provided Foresight applies to damage before mitigations). Also, given that BotS looks like it will never leave my bar, this felt like a good use of feat pts.