GWF Unstoppable bug [since 04-2015]

b3llist0r

We can not activate Unstoppable.
It is related to temporary hit points.
It has been reported. It is known.
The bug is fatal. GWFs are saving their as*%§s by activating Unstoppable.
If this is not working -> Dead.


Repro steps
1) Log in to a level 70 Great Weapon Fighter
2) For best reproducibility join a party with a Paladin for high temp HP gain
3) Head to any zone with monsters or better enter a T1/T2 dungeon
4) Play until you have temp HP (yellow bar) and full Unstoppable bar
5) Activate Unstoppable. Check if it works
6) Repeat step 4 to 5 and monitor the success rate / effects

Observed Result:
Often Unstoppable can not be activated even if the bar is full. Pressing the key (default: tab) several times is not working. The only way to become able to activate Unstoppable is losing the temp HP.

Expected Result:
Unstoppable can be activated when the bar is full enough to do so. Temp HP may stack or add or whatever but the main effect (!) pops up. Go berserk, blink, more attack speed, enhanced DR, control immunity etc.



The module was released 5 month ago.

In the last patch notes I read:
Players who claimed the free Neverwinter Vanguard pack now properly have the Cavalier title.

What do I want to say?

Please.

//Bellistor

hedgebet

I get this often on my gwf. The only fortunate thing is I usually have so many temporary hp from the previous unstoppable that I am never in jeopardy of death but there are a few cases where I have had to suck down some health pots and go evasive.

excalibur1980

yes, same problem, if was a Zen or AD bug they will make maintenance the servers.

thepcgeneral

Same problem... Seems to happen due to a timing or overlap issue with attempting to Activate unstoppable and being interrupted around (not exactly) the same time.

b3llist0r

Okay,

next try. I read the sticky post "Bug Reporting Guidelines" by Strum.
Maybe the devs are able to bugfix and the problem was my bad way of reporting.

Repro steps
1) Log in to a level 70 Great Weapon Fighter
2) For best reproducibility join a party with a Paladin for high temp HP gain
3) Head to any zone with monsters or better enter a T1/T2 dungeon
4) Play until you have temp HP (yellow bar) and full Unstoppable bar
5) Activate Unstoppable. Check if it works
6) Repeat step 4 to 5 and monitor the success rate / effects

Observed Result:
Often Unstoppable can not be activated even if the bar is full. Pressing the key (default: tab) several times is not working. The only way to become bossible to activate Unstoppable is losing the temp HP.

Expected Result:
Unstoppable can be activated when the bar is full enough to do so. Temp HP may stack or add or whatever but the main effect (!) pops up. Go berserk, blink, more attack speed, enhanced DR, control immunity etc.

I inserted this in the first post...

Is there hope?
The GWF has a lot of bugs and this one is the worst.
No matter how much DPS a BiS-GWF can do... this is a serious bug!
I will support everything nescessay to monitor it...
Maybe a blood sample from my tab button...

//Bellistor

instynctive

I think that it's more than just temp HP... I've been able to go Unstoppable, even with temp HP... I haven't done any sort of real testing on it though, for the simple fact that I'm usually in the middle of a boss/mini-boss fight when it happens...

I have noticed that I can't go Unstoppable if I've just been Soulforged... gotta hit a potion or the Stone of Life, wait a few more seconds, then it will let me.

dsn1118

Is this still going on?I havent noticed this problem on my GWF for a while now but I use it just for influence farm so it is possible I didnt encounter for that reason

luks707

Yes, this is still happening. I believe to fix it you have to take damage, but that may be just about losing the temporary hitpoints. I haven't quite figured out what triggers it. My theory is that it happens when you have temp hitpoints from another source (e.g. paladin) plus temp hit points from your previous unstoppable left over. I am guessing this is due to the (very welcome!) change to how long we keep temp hitpoints.

hedgebet

Sometimes taking damage doesn't fix it and other times it does. I had this happen and I lost all the temp hp and took enough damage that I was one hit from dead. The only way I fixed it that time was to change char and back. I was using an erinyes pet and wondered if it might have something to do with it but I have not been able to isolate enough to know.

lazaroth666

I reported this to Panderus long time ago explaining how the bug works and I never got a reply. There's no point in reporting bugs if I'm going to be ignored.

luks707

Lazaroth - can you confirm that it is when you get additional temp hit points on top of your existing unstoppable hit points?

fenyxdrayven

I dont believe its temp HP, getting hit with control of any sort while you have a full bar and the bug fixes it and you can activate unstoppable again.

instynctive

I have a second up-and-coming GWF... and have yet to experience the bug.

suddenlyslow

lazaroth666 said:

I reported this to Panderus long time ago explaining how the bug works and I never got a reply. There's no point in reporting bugs if I'm going to be ignored.

I have to agree with you on this, reporting bugs is a complete waste of time anymore. They used to address them and sometimes respond to them and even fix them but now it seems that is no longer the case.

strumslinger

Will get this to the devs.

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scathias

it also happens when the GWF gets his own temp HP but does not take any damage while unstoppable (and thus lose even a little bit of temp HP). i can usually avoid this bug by taking any form of damage, even only 100 damage when i am unstoppable since this somehow triggers the game engine to allow me to reapply the temp HP gained from unstoppable

majkei93

Hello, Im new in neverwinter and I have problem with skill on TAB... I mean, that after I reached lvl 15 (now i'm 30 paladin) the skill what should be on TAB didnt appeared, what to do?!? Maybe I shouldnt write about this here but i dont know where I should write for help ;(

suddenlyslow

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

Hello and while I appreciate your attention and reply I must say to you that many of us are aware of the game that is being played on these forums. Don't take it as anything personal against you but it is a quite obvious pattern of us reporting issues numerous times without any acknowledgement or addressing of the issues and then there will be a post such as yours (and usually from you yourself) stating that it will be brought to the attention of the devs). This is not a good thing and is actually quite a bad thing. It suggests to us that a layer of separation has been established between development (more accurately those who work with bug fixes and quality testing) and the player base with instruction to ignore most everything unless it is continuously brought up and then to stall more.

It would be much more honest and appreciated if someone would just let us know the truth of things. If we are wasting our times please let us know now instead of damaging the reputation of the product further. We don't even care about the dodging specifics of man hours and resources -- just tell us we are wasting our time and that would be far better than continuing this charade that can only lead to no good end. Please consider my words, and thanks.

vida44

+1 for this bug. I noticed it when I have Temp HP and my normal HP bar is full. When I go to eLOL and it happens during Scorpions I have to get some damage on me to remove my temp HP which is a big risk since I can get killed easily from them if I'm not extra carefull.

strumslinger

suddenlyslow said:

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

Hello and while I appreciate your attention and reply I must say to you that many of us are aware of the game that is being played on these forums. Don't take it as anything personal against you but it is a quite obvious pattern of us reporting issues numerous times without any acknowledgement or addressing of the issues and then there will be a post such as yours (and usually from you yourself) stating that it will be brought to the attention of the devs). This is not a good thing and is actually quite a bad thing. It suggests to us that a layer of separation has been established between development (more accurately those who work with bug fixes and quality testing) and the player base with instruction to ignore most everything unless it is continuously brought up and then to stall more.

It would be much more honest and appreciated if someone would just let us know the truth of things. If we are wasting our times please let us know now instead of damaging the reputation of the product further. We don't even care about the dodging specifics of man hours and resources -- just tell us we are wasting our time and that would be far better than continuing this charade that can only lead to no good end. Please consider my words, and thanks.

There's no charade here. When I say I'll do something, I do it. I've submitted this to QA and our devs know about it and I will continue to bring it up until I know it's officially entered into the database. I apologize if my "Will get this to the devs" sounds apathetic. If you've seen me on stream, I am anything but apathetic about bugs.

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arabatur

I think that some bugs are beyond the Dev's abilities to fix and the solution is to ignore it until players believe it's a feature and WAI.

gankdalf

arabatur said:

I think that some bugs are beyond the Dev's abilities to fix and the solution is to ignore it until players believe it's a feature and WAI.

Sounds about right. Incompetent devs.

gankdalf

strumslinger said:

suddenlyslow said:

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

Hello and while I appreciate your attention and reply I must say to you that many of us are aware of the game that is being played on these forums. Don't take it as anything personal against you but it is a quite obvious pattern of us reporting issues numerous times without any acknowledgement or addressing of the issues and then there will be a post such as yours (and usually from you yourself) stating that it will be brought to the attention of the devs). This is not a good thing and is actually quite a bad thing. It suggests to us that a layer of separation has been established between development (more accurately those who work with bug fixes and quality testing) and the player base with instruction to ignore most everything unless it is continuously brought up and then to stall more.

It would be much more honest and appreciated if someone would just let us know the truth of things. If we are wasting our times please let us know now instead of damaging the reputation of the product further. We don't even care about the dodging specifics of man hours and resources -- just tell us we are wasting our time and that would be far better than continuing this charade that can only lead to no good end. Please consider my words, and thanks.

There's no charade here. When I say I'll do something, I do it. I've submitted this to QA and our devs know about it and I will continue to bring it up until I know it's officially entered into the database. I apologize if my "Will get this to the devs" sounds apathetic. If you've seen me on stream, I am anything but apathetic about bugs.

Im guessing its not your fault. But you should not have to bring up the same old bugs X times before they do something about it. Especially when its game breaking bugs like Elven Battle etc.

The devs sucks. Thats it. Stop wasting time by begging them to fix stuff.

instynctive

strumslinger said:

suddenlyslow said:

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

Hello and while I appreciate your attention and reply I must say to you that many of us are aware of the game that is being played on these forums. Don't take it as anything personal against you but it is a quite obvious pattern of us reporting issues numerous times without any acknowledgement or addressing of the issues and then there will be a post such as yours (and usually from you yourself) stating that it will be brought to the attention of the devs). This is not a good thing and is actually quite a bad thing. It suggests to us that a layer of separation has been established between development (more accurately those who work with bug fixes and quality testing) and the player base with instruction to ignore most everything unless it is continuously brought up and then to stall more.

It would be much more honest and appreciated if someone would just let us know the truth of things. If we are wasting our times please let us know now instead of damaging the reputation of the product further. We don't even care about the dodging specifics of man hours and resources -- just tell us we are wasting our time and that would be far better than continuing this charade that can only lead to no good end. Please consider my words, and thanks.

There's no charade here. When I say I'll do something, I do it. I've submitted this to QA and our devs know about it and I will continue to bring it up until I know it's officially entered into the database. I apologize if my "Will get this to the devs" sounds apathetic. If you've seen me on stream, I am anything but apathetic about bugs.

Even if Andy (strum) wasn't a player, he's still one of the faces as Community Manager. I find it rather incredulous that people still think that he's blowing smoke and giving us lip service.. why would anyone think, even for a moment, that he would continue to BS us, which only makes his job harder and more stressful?

When something breaks, or if something isn't right or fair, who takes the brunt of things? Our Community Manager. Our Moderators. And none of them can do anything about anything, except bring it to the attention of the devs, ,which I have to believe they do... because they are growing tired of not only playing a fairly broken game, but dealing with everyone who is taking it all out on them.

I'm also certain that the devs would love nothing more than to fix everything. RIGHT NOW. But they have multiple responsibilities and contractual obligations, and while yes, when there is simply a "server rest" and no patch, or if there's a little tiny patch, or whatever.. it doesn't matter, there will still be dissenting posts. Cryptic could say "we're giving everyone 1 million AD." There would be replies akin to "fix class balance", "why is my $25 mount obsolete?", "do something about the bots/lag/FPS/whatever", and "only 1 million? You need to give us 2 million!"

I've been able to chat with Andy via PMs, while Strongholds was on preview. Absolutely nothing in our conversations made me believe for a moment that he's nothing but genuinely concerned about the state of the game and general unrest. However, he's not pizza. He can't make everyone happy... but I think he's doing his best to assuage the masses and keep things on an even keel.


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Now, having said all that...

I ran into the Unstoppable Bug again this morning while taking on the Smith in SH. I had NO temp HP. The only thing that I could think that could have contributed to this bug was the fact that I tried to go Unstoppable the same time he knocked me prone... I hit TAB the same time I got knocked back, and nothing. I attempted TAB a few more time, but the game told me that I couldn't do it because I was prone.

I let my HP run about dry, but it still wouldn't work... of course, my Determination remained full because I was in the middle of a fight.

Hopefully that will add to the list of clues the devs have regarding this bug and help them troubleshoot the issue.


On the other hand, I have YET to experience this bug on my Dragonborn GWF... perhaps it's an issue with one of the campaign boons? That's really the only difference between these two characters.. one has all the boons, the other has two.

suddenlyslow

strumslinger said:

There's no charade here. When I say I'll do something, I do it. I've submitted this to QA and our devs know about it and I will continue to bring it up until I know it's officially entered into the database. I apologize if my "Will get this to the devs" sounds apathetic. If you've seen me on stream, I am anything but apathetic about bugs.

My apologies I was not directing that at you specifically but at the QA process. Realize that I greatly appreciate what you yourself do and I know others feel similarly. I don't think you sound apathetic, in fact the apathy is entirely with me. I post about bugs. I do this in game and on the forums. I test and try to isolate any pertinent information I can but often the tools necessary to do so are not available and one is left to try and replicate with certainty as the only solution. Out of the many bugs I have reported since beta I have seen only one fixed and it was not even in any patch notes (but I am just as pleased either way and it only took about a year to fix). I have spent a considerable amount of time doing this but I generally don't mind the effort except that it seems to be pointless and I have no reason to pursue it any longer.

Maybe if we understood more about the process we might be more understanding in the difficulties of finding resolutions and perhaps we could be more detailed and precise (and even limited) in our posts and bug reports. In my minds eye I can only imagine someone sitting at a computer, reading the report, logging on a test character and being unable to replicated it and then marking the ticket as solved. This person I imagine has no understanding of the game other than a very basic and general knowledge. That, to me, is about the only thing that makes sense.

Anyways sorry if I sounded harsh at you as it was not meant to be (anyways I believe you were well warned ahead of times that the lot of us can be less than pleasant in our approach at times).

b3llist0r

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

That is good news.
So the bug is known, confirmed and forwarded to the devs.

My intetion was to create (another/new) bug report to receive an form of feedback. That worked. Thanks to everyone who contributed input. In the last posts...there is nothing about the bug itself. Strum even replied to the criticism. Lets return to the bug *whispers*plz*.

What else can we do?

Maybe an explicit how-to-reproduce.
I can grab some guild-members and run some tests together to find a fail-save way of repro.
@strumslinger : Is this useful/necessary?

//Bellistor

cellablock

strumslinger said:

Will get this to the devs.

going to preview patch notes you will see where someone pointed out the solution to panderus which was coding to activate unstoppable and refresh temp hp was broken. so i guess its not a priority

at all

plasticbat

Frankly, I get used to this bug now. Need to get hurt in order to get the unstoppable back. Hence, I either ignoring I cannot get unstoppable and do "small" damage to the foe or I intentionally getting hurt a bit without getting killed. I now do that often enough to do that while facing the Dragonflght dragons and eCC end boss.

b3llist0r

Situation A:
I am running with a good party. ATM Neverwinter is so easy... the challenge is not to do the dungeon... its about to do em fast. Sometimes there is nor source for damage! When the tank is holding aggro... I wait for an AoE..enter...not enough damage to reduce the temp HP, or I am immune to damage because my OP-OP is making me immortal. Sometimes I am running around in Creep-Mode (full bar, tab dead) for 20 seconds until there is a possibility to receive enough damage. That su%W§s!

Situation B:
I am with a party full of NW beginners or at least 3 of them. I have no OP-immortality and no perma-daily-DC so step-by-step from pack to pack. Entering fight - Creep mode - need damage - receive a big hit - down to 10% HP (or one-hit) - oops a second hit before I can smash tab - dead - perhaps wipe - frustration...

And then... a guy in TS: "hey, Bellistor, why do you play so ugly? You run into combat like a berserk... then you hesitate and DIRECTLY place your a?? in a red circle ... while you die... you roar in anger and curse the programmers. Everthing okay with you?"

Mod8 with a working Unstoppable. PLEASE.