Someone Please Explain This...

aimeesellers

Ok... we all know that with enough zen, the stronghold can be ranked up in less time than it takes to grind for the needed resources. However... one thing that no amount of zen will do is get around the upgrade time for the guild hall... which is 1 Day x Rank Being Upgraded from. Meaning to go from Rank 1 to rank 2... it takes a full day... 24 hours. To go from 3 to 4... takes 3 days.

While in PvP yesterday, we had AP Drain Marks being used against us by members of the opposing team. In order to get those, you need a Rank 4 Marketplace... Which requires a Rank 8 Guild Hall.

Let's do some grade school math here...

Strongholds went live on August 11th. Today is the 27th. 27 - 11 = 16 Days.

Time up upgrade to a Rank 8 Guild Hall

Rank 1 - 2: 1 Day
Rank 2 - 3: 2 Days
Rank 3 - 4: 3 Days
Rank 4 - 5: 4 Days
Rank 5 - 6: 5 Days
Rank 6 - 7: 6 Days
Rank 7 - 8: 7 Days

Minimum Time to a Rank 8 Hall upgrade: 28 Days.

Would someone like to explain to me how these marks are already out there, and able to be used by ANYONE? And yes... not only did we see the effect of them being used, but the players using them were examined and plainly had them slotted.

kreatyve

Please file a bug report and probably report the players you see using these. I'll talk to @strumslinger about it and see if he has an explanation. Thanks.

matthiasthehun76

The entire PVP boon structure for SH is highly exploitable and utterly unfair. A few of us former testers told this the Devs, but sadly it was implemented the way it is. A system of such strong boons, which is made available to whale type guilds sooner than small or medium guilds is mildly spoken unfair at it's best. Now we now, that sadly many PVP players tend to use exploits, simple fact.

Still best fix would be, if the Devs would bring all boons, being it PVE or PVP boons under 1 hood and make them accessibly to all, at an early stage of SH, that way they could eliminate the "need" exploits and give smaller guilds a fair chance too.

Considering the costs, many guilds won't be able to use these benefits of boons in battle at all, cause they will never get those boons or by the time they get it, they will lose all fun-, if not already lost, due to the many bugs/exploits and abuses- in PVP.

icyphish

I agree, it provides the big guilds with VERY POWERFUL boons and the smaller guilds would only be even more disadvantaged until they can achieve the same boons, if ever. I would second to have this system revised as it would only murder the pvp community further...

matthiasthehun76 said:

The entire PVP boon structure for SH is highly exploitable and utterly unfair. A few of us former testers told this the Devs, but sadly it was implemented the way it is. A system of such strong boons, which is made available to whale type guilds sooner than small or medium guilds is mildly spoken unfair at it's best. Now we now, that sadly many PVP players tend to use exploits, simple fact.

Still best fix would be, if the Devs would bring all boons, being it PVE or PVP boons under 1 hood and make them accessibly to all, at an early stage of SH, that way they could eliminate the "need" exploits and give smaller guilds a fair chance too.

Considering the costs, many guilds won't be able to use these benefits of boons in battle at all, cause they will never get those boons or by the time they get it, they will lose all fun-, if not already lost, due to the many bugs/exploits and abuses- in PVP.

matthiasthehun76

icyphish said:

I agree, it provides the big guilds with VERY POWERFUL boons and the smaller guilds would only be even more disadvantaged until they can achieve the same boons, if ever. I would second to have this system revised as it would only murder the pvp community further...

matthiasthehun76 said:

The entire PVP boon structure for SH is highly exploitable and utterly unfair. A few of us former testers told this the Devs, but sadly it was implemented the way it is. A system of such strong boons, which is made available to whale type guilds sooner than small or medium guilds is mildly spoken unfair at it's best. Now we now, that sadly many PVP players tend to use exploits, simple fact.

Still best fix would be, if the Devs would bring all boons, being it PVE or PVP boons under 1 hood and make them accessibly to all, at an early stage of SH, that way they could eliminate the "need" exploits and give smaller guilds a fair chance too.

Considering the costs, many guilds won't be able to use these benefits of boons in battle at all, cause they will never get those boons or by the time they get it, they will lose all fun-, if not already lost, due to the many bugs/exploits and abuses- in PVP.

Thank you mate for your comment and support!

If more guild leaders and officers would actually feel the same way and give their opinion's voice, Cryptic would change it for sure.

It is really a Catch 22 situation again, many don't see, that it will be only "fun" in the first days to have a huge advantage in the arena, but when player numbers drop in PVP, we will all suffer, even those, who think they will do fine by having that advantage sooner. As we say in Hungary: "One needs to see the forest from the tree."

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vinceent1

"If more guild leaders and officers would actually feel the same way and give their opinion's voice, Cryptic would change it for sure"

this. i dont know why are big guild in this game so focused only for themselves. maybe such activity, with cooperation with Andy should make a difference. Never see a game forum where big guilds are so quiet

kiraskytower

matthiasthehun76 said:

The entire PVP boon structure for SH is highly exploitable and utterly unfair. A few of us former testers told this the Devs, but sadly it was implemented the way it is. A system of such strong boons, which is made available to whale type guilds sooner than small or medium guilds is mildly spoken unfair at it's best. Now we now, that sadly many PVP players tend to use exploits, simple fact.

It's not just boons, but gear too. The AP drain overload is gear ... and as guilds get even higher ranks in their marketplaces higher rank overloads, Guild weapons, Lionsmane armor all become available. It won't be long before no PvPer wants to be in a guild without access to these things because they will have no chance. In turn, the guilds without these things won't be able to get them because they require shards and glory from PvP. The rich get richer and the poor stay poor, that's how it goes .... and everybody knows ...

vinceent1

they just follow their their long term plans for strongholds but know nothing about real pvp here, about player structure. I am sure they are still thinking about great module they added to game, where ALL players get fun. My statements from the beginning is - even bigger disaster than IWD open pvp...

santralafax

I agree with Aimee and Icy Drake. The people who have these goods now need to be found and the exploit fixed. Then some re0rganization of how these things are gotten in normal play--if at all--needs to be done. The whole module revolves around how large/active your guild is--which hurts the individual player (in small guild or not).

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sabre10

Agreeing entirely with the previous posts. If guilds have glitched their way forward it makes a statement about the lengths to which they go (one which we're all aware of anyway).
It'll be an even bigger statement to the community if the company fix the glitch but do nothing to penalize the exploiters

aimeesellers

Finding the offenders should be quite easy. As of today... August 28th... the maximum rank a guild hall could legitimately be is Rank 6. And this is based on construction time alone, assuming as soon as a rank is completed, the next one is started.

I would think all they need to do is look for any guilds with a hall ranked higher than 6. The information is in the database.

cloudius1978

Let's not forget the new BIS PVP gears (Lionsmane) require Fallen Banners to purchase which in turn require guilds to participate in Guild vs Guild PVP.

This will yet be another playground for the whales guild as in a Dev Blog posted some time ago, guilds are encouraged to push further to secure a "bigger" win for better rewards (Read: ROFLOLSTOMPING the smaller guilds who are disadvantaged from the onset, gears, enchants and boons wise...).

The PVP community has yet to feel the pinch as Siege PVP has yet to be introduced but the gap will soon be evident.

ironzerg79

Hey guys, this is a pretty serious issue. If you have details about exploits, please message @strumslinger or @panderus (or any of the Cryptic names you see here) directly. Please don't post details of the exploit, even if it's just speculation.

I snipped a couple posts here and moved them to a private forum where the Developers could review them, but posting details of exploits is against the rules here, and further violations of the rules will result in some infractions being handed out, so please be careful with your posting.

Again, when it doubt, use the mail system to message directly.

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urabask

metalldjt said:

ironzerg79 said:

Hey guys, this is a pretty serious issue. If you have details about exploits, please message @strumslinger or @panderus (or any of the Cryptic names you see here) directly. Please don't post details of the exploit, even if it's just speculation.

I snipped a couple posts here and moved them to a private forum where the Developers could review them, but posting details of exploits is against the rules here, and further violations of the rules will result in some infractions being handed out, so please be careful with your posting.

Again, when it doubt, use the mail system to message directly.

good job in sending the devs to wrong places.

1. there is no exploit in stronghold (no jk)
2. what this guy encountered in PVP (gauntle grym) was the AP bug from the Devoted Cleric.

file a report on how the bug works along side of all the other bugs.

so the DC AP BUG makes your AP go blue while it drains from it, but at the same point it will also give you AP if u attack ur target, how it works?
the DC needs to be in enemy team.

if he saw people with that overload he should've taken a screenshot right? since the Inspect is free to use for everyone.

You're assuming that OP didn't inspect a player and see that they had the AP drain mark ...

What if you're wrong?

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drkbodhi

@metalldjt

If you READ the entirety of everything Aimee wrote you would read that the players in question were indeed INSPECTED. We talk about these thing at length in Guild chat and in Guild Officer chat. We know which guild it was... and many of the old school players are leaving this guild do to their actions. I know because I have talked with a lot of players who had left said guild.

It is a unwritten rule in CA, to report bugs instead of exploiting them. I have reported one player and they ended up getting banned for their use of exploits. If you are not interested in playing fair... don't play... IMHO.

In CA we have uncovered a large game breaking bug in every mod and update... and reported it to be fixed.​​

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drkbodhi

This is what I think... someone is being very defensive for a reason.​​

sabre10

The players

metalldjt said:

morenthar said:

metalldjt said:

ironzerg79 said:

Hey guys, this is a pretty serious issue. If you have details about exploits, please message @strumslinger or @panderus (or any of the Cryptic names you see here) directly. Please don't post details of the exploit, even if it's just speculation.

I snipped a couple posts here and moved them to a private forum where the Developers could review them, but posting details of exploits is against the rules here, and further violations of the rules will result in some infractions being handed out, so please be careful with your posting.

Again, when it doubt, use the mail system to message directly.

good job in sending the devs to wrong places.

1. there is no exploit in stronghold (no jk)
2. what this guy encountered in PVP (gauntle grym) was the AP bug from the Devoted Cleric.

file a report on how the bug works along side of all the other bugs.

so the DC AP BUG makes your AP go blue while it drains from it, but at the same point it will also give you AP if u attack ur target, how it works?
the DC needs to be in enemy team.

if he saw people with that overload he should've taken a screenshot right? since the Inspect is free to use for everyone.

The OP is a trusted, longtime player and community contributor.

1. a log of the ap being drained
2. screen shot
3. person who is using it

none of this has been said, i've done plenty of PVP matches, i am pretty sure he just "heard" from someone else.

or maybe one of the r1 overload ench the one that does damage or gives dr against certain classes, might have the similar coding of the AP drain one, but i haven seen or encountered people that drained my AP, except for the DC.

Metalldjt, the OP did inspect the offending parties. As did another member of my guild. To the best of my knowledge, screen shots were taken and sent to the appropriate devs/GMs. There are no ifs/buts or maybes with this, the evidence is there, just not lauded on the forum.
What the company do with that info is down to them.

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drkbodhi

@metalldjt

Send you the screenshot? LMAO... since when are you in charge of development or even working to make the game better?​​

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