People already suggested to buff encounter damage as long as SE & ITC get nerfed.
Edit: I don't know if you don't understand it or don't want to understand it. How hard is it to land IBS compared to SE?
Everyone obviously knows the answer...
Ofc, in your opinion, any huge damage number pop up is my build's problem not broken.
And any Tr's number does nothing to do with your build, its just broken.
Gee, ppl these days.
For gwf players like you who only ask for nerf here and does nt really give a fk on buff. Any suggestion? No. Buff is just a general conception.
What you really want is nerf them first. And buff? No idea. Just nerf first
IBS is encounter, SE is daily.
I don't want compare how many killing tools you have and Tr have here. Pointless.
Before u start to throw HAMSTER around, i used to main TR for over a year. I have 4K+ TR, HR, GWF and GF. And i DO know what is broken and whats not. Sure IBS can hit like a train when bad players let the GWF stack up gazilion of buffs. But its not doable on a good player escp not on a TR.
What you clearly fail to understand is that a TR can land a 120K+ dmg Daily from start of the fight, and that it is UNAVOIDABLE dmg for 2 classes. No other class in the game can do this. And tbh a TR can put out som serious dmg from GC, CoS and using CB but i guess u just want cheese game and be able to attack unseen and just send the enemy to the campfire without any chance to retaliate.
yeah GEEE, ppl these days...
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
edited August 2015
The same group of people posting the same problems over and over... can someone say insanity?
insanity
Trying to solve problems,
Expecting different results,
Using the exact same methods...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I hate paying taxes! Why must I pay thousands of dollars in taxes when everything I buy is taxed anyways!
Look, i say this again, I'm not defending se, i also have gwf/sw friends in game.
Currently, Se is the only major damage output.
Anything else is purely useless compare to other DPS classes.
Pure bollocks.
SE is the only major damage output and anything else is purely useless compared to other DPS classes IFthe TR wants to manage the fight and win without even a scratch under 2 minutes.
This is basically it. This is how far the TR players have fallen.
There are plenty other options to manage the fight longer. There are plenty of other modes of attack which you need to take more risks with. But instead, due to being spoiled from broken stuff since mod5 for such a long time that now, most TR players just spoiled and rotten as they are with the lazy-as-hell MI/Sabos, basically consider any fight they cannot manage as a victory under 2 minutes without so much as a scratch on their armor, they see it as "not viable."
Gimme a break.
Nerf se dmg equal to ice knife, fine
Remove refill ap after kill, fine
I don't even bother if they cut the ITC
But in exchange, lashing blade should hit like IBS , also some 40% damage buff from any encounter
And shield/temp hp HAMSTER intead of ITC?
There are TRs running PvP fights without any of that and still doing fine.
Of course, unlike the spoiled bunch of MI/Sabos sissies, these other TRs tend to think more realistically in terms of balance. They don't expect to be able to troll a node and then run off scot-free against 3~4 people who are not nubs, but BiS equipped/skilled players of one's own calibre. They don't expect to be able to kill anything with any number of SE shots required to do so, and instead, take time in different types of attacks of combos which take certain amount of risks every time. They are more easily hunted down against difficult odds, and can be killed.
Sure, for TRs for such a long time been spoiled by MI/Sabo ways, these TRs may seem like 'gimped' or 'weak'. Turn the tables around and look at reality -- those other, minority TRs are running things according to relative balance. It's THAT MUCH how MI/Sabos are overboard and spoiled, and deluded with the easy-mode.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
I stop complaining about TRs cus those that thinks SE is the only damage output are mostly crappy TRs and 90% of them are just cake, yes they can't survive without SE, and even when they use SE, they still stand little chance against real pvpers
As to those that has both the gear and skill, yes they can beat GWF 95+% of the time but you dont generally see those real skilled ones roaming around unless in a premade fight, but premade vs premade operates a little differently compare to pug fights and no premade would assign a GWF/SW to go against a TR
Sigh, so let's say if i switch back to mi executioner or WK now, then I ll become to a skilled Tr?
I think they will start complain courage breaker or Perma doze. And stealth
Depends on your conscience.
If you honestly think using a non-MI, non-perma/semiperma, non-stealth proc, non-SO, non-SE, non-ITC TR... is just as easy as flinging piercing damage CoS shots in perma/semiperma, stealth-ITC rotations, from 60' away and waiting for AP to spam SE to kill someone... then hey, I can't dictate your perception of which means skill and which means skill-less... though I'm willing to bet a lot of other players would probably have different opinions on clearly which needs more skill, and which does not.
(ps) Permadaze? Whazzat? With the mod6-7 Scoundrel? ROFL. How does that work? I must have missed some new feature they secretly implemented to offset the shi*krap blanket-nerf to all Scoundrel dazes with mod6. How stupid of me.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
edited August 2015
I laugh because not many people are bitching about the GWF stuns, Repel, Entangle or even Roots... when they all seem to be much more abusive than what I have seen about the "perma-daze". They nerfed Scoundrels to the ground... yet those previously stated powers remain fully intact.
I have been chain Entangled, Repel spammed, Stunned/proned and Rooted enough to be killed a thousand times... YET... I do not whinge about nerfing other classes.
TRs in general need to have the balance that other classes now enjoy... the balance that the Mi/Sab seems to have. The reason that so many TRs use that build... is because it is as balanced as a TR cn get. Every other build has a handicap... a severe handicap. I have played Sab and Exec... and chose Scoundrel for CC. No I do not do a lot of damage... all the time... but I do kill people and monsters quite easily because I work on my skills.
I think they should just get rid of the TR... and make everyone in this game happy that deserves to be happy.
Or maybe some people just need to put on some "Big Boy Pants" and play the f'ing class, the build, they want to play and stop sticking your noses in other classes. STFU and play YOUR GAME the way that YOU WANT TO... and do not let the way other players choose to play... mess with your game.
Don't like what others have/do... jealous much... great. I think you need to worry about your house instead of your neighbor's house... but it is hard to look in the mirror, to be alone and quiet for a day... your mind starts working.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
I laugh because not many people are bitching about the GWF stuns, Repel, Entangle or even Roots... when they all seem to be much more abusive than what I have seen about the "perma-daze". They nerfed Scoundrels to the ground... yet those previously stated powers remain fully intact.
I have been chain Entangled, Repel spammed, Stunned/proned and Rooted enough to be killed a thousand times... YET... I do not whinge about nerfing other classes.
TRs in general need to have the balance that other classes now enjoy... the balance that the Mi/Sab seems to have. The reason that so many TRs use that build... is because it is as balanced as a TR cn get. Every other build has a handicap... a severe handicap. I have played Sab and Exec... and chose Scoundrel for CC. No I do not do a lot of damage... all the time... but I do kill people and monsters quite easily because I work on my skills.
I think they should just get rid of the TR... and make everyone in this game happy that deserves to be happy.
Or maybe some people just need to put on some "Big Boy Pants" and play the f'ing class, the build, they want to play and stop sticking your noses in other classes. STFU and play YOUR GAME the way that YOU WANT TO... and do not let the way other players choose to play... mess with your game.
Don't like what others have/do... jealous much... great. I think you need to worry about your house instead of your neighbor's house... but it is hard to look in the mirror, to be alone and quiet for a day... your mind starts working.
totally agree with you there, but if they actually decide to take trs out of the game this forum will be so... like boring ")
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
I laugh because not many people are bitching about the GWF stuns, Repel, Entangle or even Roots... when they all seem to be much more abusive than what I have seen about the "perma-daze". They nerfed Scoundrels to the ground... yet those previously stated powers remain fully intact.
I have been chain Entangled, Repel spammed, Stunned/proned and Rooted enough to be killed a thousand times... YET... I do not whinge about nerfing other classes.
TRs in general need to have the balance that other classes now enjoy... the balance that the Mi/Sab seems to have. The reason that so many TRs use that build... is because it is as balanced as a TR cn get. Every other build has a handicap... a severe handicap. I have played Sab and Exec... and chose Scoundrel for CC. No I do not do a lot of damage... all the time... but I do kill people and monsters quite easily because I work on my skills.
I think they should just get rid of the TR... and make everyone in this game happy that deserves to be happy.
Or maybe some people just need to put on some "Big Boy Pants" and play the f'ing class, the build, they want to play and stop sticking your noses in other classes. STFU and play YOUR GAME the way that YOU WANT TO... and do not let the way other players choose to play... mess with your game.
Don't like what others have/do... jealous much... great. I think you need to worry about your house instead of your neighbor's house... but it is hard to look in the mirror, to be alone and quiet for a day... your mind starts working.
totally agree with you there, but if they actually decide to take trs out of the game this forum will be so... like boring ")
It will become... wait for it... VANILLA. LMAO.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
Sigh, so let's say if i switch back to mi executioner or WK now, then I ll become to a skilled Tr?
I think they will start complain courage breaker or Perma doze. And stealth
No.
Playing in hard mode doesn't make somebody good. We can pull off Whisperknife because we spent hours theorycrafting that, practicing, picking that stuff apart, we know several power interactions that most of the others don't even bother with.
Heck I even know how to do a 150-200K SE combo as an MI if I was ever to play that cheese build. But I'm not teaching any of that stuff only to make matters worst.
LMAO... a perma telling a Wk what he is capable of? Sorry fatguns... I have not seen very many skilled perma TRs. Just because a players knows the rotations and can kill other players, does not mean they are skilled. When a person lives in a rut, they think it is perfect. That is until something comes to mess with that rut... then they get aggressive.
The truth is this. perma-stealth in PvP is going the way of the dodo.
i'm not a veteran TR player, mostly run a match on my MI exe TR ( for the oneshots ), but i have tried WK sabo/exe but not scouundereal all i can say is that it has dmg, but if you do 1mistake, just 1 you die. But the thing is, if you run an "untradicional" build let's say WK scoundereal and say that youre superior to other types of TRs bcs you 'have' brains to make the game harder for yourself. ( talkin to you both, kwessa and drkbodhi )
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Before u start to throw HAMSTER around, i used to main TR for over a year. I have 4K+ TR, HR, GWF and GF. And i DO know what is broken and whats not. Sure IBS can hit like a train when bad players let the GWF stack up gazilion of buffs. But its not doable on a good player escp not on a TR.
What you clearly fail to understand is that a TR can land a 120K+ dmg Daily from start of the fight, and that it is UNAVOIDABLE dmg for 2 classes. No other class in the game can do this. And tbh a TR can put out som serious dmg from GC, CoS and using CB but i guess u just want cheese game and be able to attack unseen and just send the enemy to the campfire without any chance to retaliate.
yeah GEEE, ppl these days...
insanity
Trying to solve problems,
Expecting different results,
Using the exact same methods...
Pure bollocks.
SE is the only major damage output and anything else is purely useless compared to other DPS classes IF the TR wants to manage the fight and win without even a scratch under 2 minutes.
This is basically it. This is how far the TR players have fallen.
There are plenty other options to manage the fight longer. There are plenty of other modes of attack which you need to take more risks with. But instead, due to being spoiled from broken stuff since mod5 for such a long time that now, most TR players just spoiled and rotten as they are with the lazy-as-hell MI/Sabos, basically consider any fight they cannot manage as a victory under 2 minutes without so much as a scratch on their armor, they see it as "not viable."
Gimme a break.
There are TRs running PvP fights without any of that and still doing fine.
Of course, unlike the spoiled bunch of MI/Sabos sissies, these other TRs tend to think more realistically in terms of balance. They don't expect to be able to troll a node and then run off scot-free against 3~4 people who are not nubs, but BiS equipped/skilled players of one's own calibre. They don't expect to be able to kill anything with any number of SE shots required to do so, and instead, take time in different types of attacks of combos which take certain amount of risks every time. They are more easily hunted down against difficult odds, and can be killed.
Sure, for TRs for such a long time been spoiled by MI/Sabo ways, these TRs may seem like 'gimped' or 'weak'. Turn the tables around and look at reality -- those other, minority TRs are running things according to relative balance. It's THAT MUCH how MI/Sabos are overboard and spoiled, and deluded with the easy-mode.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
As to those that has both the gear and skill, yes they can beat GWF 95+% of the time but you dont generally see those real skilled ones roaming around unless in a premade fight, but premade vs premade operates a little differently compare to pug fights and no premade would assign a GWF/SW to go against a TR
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Depends on your conscience.
If you honestly think using a non-MI, non-perma/semiperma, non-stealth proc, non-SO, non-SE, non-ITC TR... is just as easy as flinging piercing damage CoS shots in perma/semiperma, stealth-ITC rotations, from 60' away and waiting for AP to spam SE to kill someone... then hey, I can't dictate your perception of which means skill and which means skill-less... though I'm willing to bet a lot of other players would probably have different opinions on clearly which needs more skill, and which does not.
(ps) Permadaze? Whazzat? With the mod6-7 Scoundrel? ROFL. How does that work? I must have missed some new feature they secretly implemented to offset the shi*krap blanket-nerf to all Scoundrel dazes with mod6. How stupid of me.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I have been chain Entangled, Repel spammed, Stunned/proned and Rooted enough to be killed a thousand times... YET... I do not whinge about nerfing other classes.
TRs in general need to have the balance that other classes now enjoy... the balance that the Mi/Sab seems to have. The reason that so many TRs use that build... is because it is as balanced as a TR cn get. Every other build has a handicap... a severe handicap. I have played Sab and Exec... and chose Scoundrel for CC. No I do not do a lot of damage... all the time... but I do kill people and monsters quite easily because I work on my skills.
I think they should just get rid of the TR... and make everyone in this game happy that deserves to be happy.
Or maybe some people just need to put on some "Big Boy Pants" and play the f'ing class, the build, they want to play and stop sticking your noses in other classes. STFU and play YOUR GAME the way that YOU WANT TO... and do not let the way other players choose to play... mess with your game.
Don't like what others have/do... jealous much... great. I think you need to worry about your house instead of your neighbor's house... but it is hard to look in the mirror, to be alone and quiet for a day... your mind starts working.
totally agree with you there, but if they actually decide to take trs out of the game this forum will be so... like boring ")
It will become... wait for it... VANILLA. LMAO.
No.
Playing in hard mode doesn't make somebody good. We can pull off Whisperknife because we spent hours theorycrafting that, practicing, picking that stuff apart, we know several power interactions that most of the others don't even bother with.
Heck I even know how to do a 150-200K SE combo as an MI if I was ever to play that cheese build. But I'm not teaching any of that stuff only to make matters worst.
i'm not a veteran TR player, mostly run a match on my MI exe TR ( for the oneshots ), but i have tried WK sabo/exe but not scouundereal all i can say is that it has dmg, but if you do 1mistake, just 1 you die. But the thing is, if you run an "untradicional" build let's say WK scoundereal and say that youre superior to other types of TRs bcs you 'have' brains to make the game harder for yourself. ( talkin to you both, kwessa and drkbodhi )