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mercbenz360
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It's absolutely ridiculous. There's no real gameplay involved, it's all who you are matched against. I either go 18-1 and melt people down or I'm perma stealthed and stunned to death where I can't even attack and go 1-8 or worse. Just look at the leaderboards, it's all TRs and premades. And here's the thing, I've played MMOs for a long time (DAOC ruled) and a premade meant a great group, coordinated, well geared, etc. This game is all 1 golden path spec and OP classes. There's no room to be a hybrid spec or anything unique.
PvP is busted and Cryptic is doing nothing about it. And it's not just about TRs, the whole class balance, the match making, 2 maps for months, etc. I grind PvE for the fun of PvP but it's pointless. Who cares I finally got my perfect vorpal when I spent the whole match stunned and chasing ghosts?
But hey, there's new lockboxes next week and some lame event. Great priorities...
PvP is busted and Cryptic is doing nothing about it. And it's not just about TRs, the whole class balance, the match making, 2 maps for months, etc. I grind PvE for the fun of PvP but it's pointless. Who cares I finally got my perfect vorpal when I spent the whole match stunned and chasing ghosts?
But hey, there's new lockboxes next week and some lame event. Great priorities...
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But lets just say for the sake of arguing that TR are fine the way they are and don't need any nerfing at all, the fact that the matchmaking will not balance out the classes causes 1 way win/lose scenarios from the very start of the match no matter how maxed out you are. it seems way too often for a enemy to run over to my own ring from the start of the match, kill me and capture it with no way of me or my team being able to getting it back thus creating the 1000pts-4pts games. I built my cleric for pvp and did hours of research/grinding to perfected him but I cant heal a teammate when he/she is getting 1 shot, or heal even myself when I am getting stunned/held at my own spawn.
What happened in all those games was PvP becomes nothing but premades that wait around for perfect and complimentary classes/builds before going in vs. the same or casual "lambs" and they eventually get fed up and leave PvP or the game. The community is starting to see it since PvP is becoming a Tiamat fight. Everyone plays the first 2 minutes, sees what happens and one team spends the rest sitting at the campfire. Wow, that's fun. This game has so much more potential and they just refuse to communicate balance changes or do anything.
I AM a TR, so no tears here. I bring this up because I hope the game can be successful and balancing the classes and matchmaking will be a big part of that.
Great contribution to the thread, thanks for stopping by.
You have no longterm goals (in DAOC, IIRC, you can capture and hold keeps/towers that give you access to special in-game areas; in Anarchy Online you have to build and protect control towers, etc.), no open-world PvP yet, no long lasting buffs (like in LA or WoW). You can't become PK and ambush new/low geared players like in Ultima Online and rez kill them indefinitely. There is no permanent death penalties. No rewards beside glory points.
You simply queue and hope that matchmaking favors you this time. And if it does, have a good fun. If not, well, matches are really short, no need to be upset, it is just a game. And there is always an option to enlist yourself in one of the PvP-oriented guilds.
That said, I'd really enjoy some tweaks and balancing myself. In the meantime, I try to stay positive.
The problem is that there's not near enough money to be made in PvP. Why would they fix a system with so little potential for monetary gain?
If I didn't enjoy this game I wouldn't bother saying anything, but it is because I do enjoy this game that such clearly broken mechanics are so upsetting to me. Why create a game mode in which competitive players are forced into such narrow molds to expect to be successful? Why create a game mode in which at least one class (I can't speak to all of them, but I'm pretty sure you know which class is the weakest) is not even viable for a competitive gamer?
We don't know if what's on PC is coming exact. From my understanding (doing research) the Xbox One version mashes up some of the mods, so only PW knows what the plan is and when.
In the meantime, we are stuck with poor class balance, crappy matchmaking, and 2 maps. I'm not sure if you're debating those things which were the topic my OP, just being a typical troll, or what your deal is really. If you're not going to enlighten us all with your profound wisdom on how to solve those things in our game right now (did you make more maps for yourself?) then why bother posting for people discussing things?
Well, it all basically depends on the final goal. Major portion of the software is written to make money in one way or another. This is not a bad thing at all, just the way our world is. From my personal experience, people who enjoy PvP are always in the minority. So it is absolutely natural that product owner tries to cater for PvE fans, who earn him more.
I just looked at page 1 and 2 tonight. The amount of TRs is incredible. I held a node for a long portion of the match vs. 4 today and yeah it was fun for me, but its still broken. Granted it was a pug and no one seemed to know the "good" counters, but still.
DENIAL
You think it's helping anything when people refuse to drop in and fight because they're scared?
Its the mindsets like that are the reason why no one pvp's. The hardcore pvper's will always want to pvp, the casual pvpers are the ones that give up on it cause they can't do anything. Yeah i get PO'd sometimes but i don't stop pvping, might take a break but i get back on later and do it again. The one's that really enjoy pvp will always play it.
What we need is a way to make it more enjoyable to the casual ones. We need a more balanced pvp. Now it won't matter tho if your not willing to make the effort to get into it. If you don't put the time in to get the gear you won't be able to keep up. When you start to pvp you will always get stomped on no matter what cause there is people who are geared out for it.
If you are into competitive pvp then you are always going to be doing your research and trying to get better by tweaking builds, gear, to get the max out of you character.
Pyx - LvL 60 PvP AC DC Retired
XB1 GT - suDnd3th
DENIAL
You run into a permade team with all 18-20k GS your going to get stomped on no matter what even if game was balanced. Cause most of the other guild are around 15-17k, even then if you new to pvp and run into players with GS like that you will get walked on.
I enjoy this game, It does need a lot of work pvp wise to make things more fun, but it's our job as a community to make things easier for the dev's they can keep tossing nerfs/buffs to classes all day long and its not going to fix anything cause it just makes another problem in a different way. We need to as the players let them know what needs to be done and they can't be drastic nerf's or buffs to classes or they just become obselete classes that don't work anymore. They need to tweak things and not nerf or buff stuff.
Pyx - LvL 60 PvP AC DC Retired
XB1 GT - suDnd3th
My post started with a number of "issues" that weren't buff or nerf related. I agree that channeling this positively can help, but lets face it - they've just let this all simmer for months. 2.3m PvE players vs. 30k PvPers and you can see why they ignore it, but it's a problem. Nerfs and buffs to classes aren't taboo. That's been an issue since MMO#1. Devs aspire to multiple valid specs, etc. NW is whacked out for some classes and they clearly over (look at the Leaderboards) or Under (SW and GWF on XB1) perform. Something has to be done about that. Here's my outline:
- Remove stacking stun effects. Put in an immunity timer, make the stun duration 1/2 for every stun "improperly" poured on top of an existing stun. Assist trains on one target now take some skill.
- More maps and game mode variety.
- MATCHMAKING. Look at GS, Specs, Classes, Time Played, Glory earned, Tenacity, etc. I'm sure the devs would know best here, but come up with a formula to help weight teams. A solo and a team queue may also help.
- Duels - why not?
- Personally I think TR's need to be rethought. I love stealthers that can sneak in, execute, and are vulnerable on the way out. That's a ton of fun. A real counter to stealth (maybe a Hunter daily to see stealth or passive is see them in xfeet).
- SWs and GWF do need some love. SW's are glass cannons and I think a lot of the issues is just that class is going to take deaths, but they have almost no utility (with most specs). Personally I'd look into making temptation more viable for PvP as a support role. GWF need single target damage (that's coming).
- Kill awards based on damage done, not last hit.
- More flexible stat awards for healing/clerics. (Show heals in stats)
- More rewards for PvP. Random gold, random chance at some rough AD, etc.
- Fix the leaderboards or something.... I dunno, Leaderboard just spawn elitist behavior.
1. Take off your armor.
2. Queue for 8k PvP.
3. Put your armor back on.
4. ???
5. Profit.
Probably because gear score isn't indicative of player ability and quality? Hours played, glory earned, points scored, wins across all characters and lots more would be far more indicative of skill for example.
Gear score is even sillier. I'll load up on AP gain jewels, a perfect vorpal or plaguefire, then some artifacts with other bonuses that don't count like combat adv., roll all the best offhand skill bonuses and stat bonus 400 that doesn't count gear score, run a full set to avoid the 400 + 400 (some 4/4 bonuses are very good 30% more stealth, 50% more damage and faster cool down on rb magic), pop in some rank 6s maybe even 5s, get a perfect soulforge, grab a few dozen major heal pots, and have a few hundred hours of play experience, queue up with all the right classes in my group, etc etc - that's clearly a crappy player there right??? Even PW knows GS is a broken metric since they dump it on mod 6.
I give up, lets rally around this GS idea. F it...
1. Take off your armor.
2. Queue for 8k PvP.
3. Put your armor back on.
4. ???
5. Profit.
Easy, just block changing gear once queue banner comes up and keep it blocked til the match is over.
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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That's going to blow against those of us who change our in slot artifact to counter the enemy team. So, when I go against 2034850805809483 TR's I put on ogmas, when it's a balanced team I have waters on main slot etc. It dumbs down the game and makes it roulette for support characters who already have it hard enough.
I do swap skills part way through a match to suit the situation but they ofc don't affect gear score.
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
Member of Casual Dailies - XBox