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Misery
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Can anyone confirm if this some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> gossip or a dev actually said there is something comming for SWs "soon"
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Assume nothing is even in the planning stages and that was just a brush off.
as for SW - Fury did too much dmg in pve, for pvp - the class needs a lot of changes to be viable
imho one of easiest ways to fix it would be making the class specialize in burning down dc/pala on nodes along with smth that can protect them and provide CC
the class would still be bad for 1v1 or holding a node, but have the capability to roam and clear nodes
a) Avalanche
b) Shocking Execution
c) Sparks dropping off too fast/sometimes taking too long to build
SW's main weakness is burst damage as well, so perhaps some additional deflect would help the class, but the class is still pretty strong. It does have weaknesses, the few things above being the major thing, but fixing Avalanche would be a huge step forwards to see the class' performance in PvP.
Buffing the class in PvP too much will make it way too OP. It already has the potential to be OP, but its weakness to Avalanche mostly and some other classes being broken, like HR, is overshadowing what the class actually is like.
That being said, the class could do with some buffs to Damnation and Temptation mostly, or being given some better defensive tools such as higher deflect to counter burst, but not much more than that.
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its cryptic so the result is same for about any class - GWF deep gash for example, and GWF was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> for mod3(ok it was somewhat decent if you didnt abuse bugs), 4 and 5, so good luck for SW on mod9
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Meh... I'm always the same on this one. Leave them the current, frail and weak class, but then give them a krapton of mighty debuffs that effectively cancels out the amount of healing/buffs that a DC or OP can do on a 1:1 scale.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
(This is purely from a PvP point of view)
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What the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is happening in this game anyway. We can't play the class we want, we can't have the mounts we want, we can't have the transmutes we want. Avalanche/Armor enchantments/new <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> mounts with p2p bonuses.
absolutely correct, i guess you play a warlock as me, and the class needs exactly what you mention
1. something to mitigate piercing damage like dodge, so giving the shadow slip more immunity against piercing damage would be fine
2. sparks should decrease like determination from GWF
3. avalanche is not my biggest problem at all
4. more deflect should be nice for the class
tahts it
imo Templock is the best build in PVP and the worst in PVE
damnation top in PVE mediocre in PVP
and fury mediocre in PVE and worst in PVP
@morenthar the warlocks you talk about are Temptation warlocks for sure, this build is pretty annoying, hard to kill heals up in short time and runs like hell from eldrichs momentum, damage is not that bad, my damnation lock can´t deal with them
Fury is the best build overall for PvP.
Avalanche still remains the biggest problem atm.
no its not, since i compared fury damnation and temptation
you sure did not and have no clue about the builds, thy for gettng that clear
ralexinor actually helped me improving my knowledge about SWs.
Like ralexinor said, unless the interaction with Creeping Death and Avalanche is fixed, you hurt yourself and possibly teammates more than helping them.
The story might be different if a SW is (near) BiS and his teammates are, too, so Avalanche doesn't hurt them as much. But as medium or even lower geared SW / team? Hurts way too much
Since you mention "lethal", I can only assume you also mean Fury (I don't know where "hyper mobile" should come from, then - non-Temp SWs are out of stamina pretty quickly).
Again, (near) BiS Fury SWs might be extremely powerful, but
1.) Are they really more powerful than what like a CW or TR can put out in damage? and
2.) Should the class really be balanced for (near) BiS levels? Which is certainly the minority of players? At least medium geared SWs should have a place / role in PvP, too. And at the current patch level, they haven't, really.
All top PvP SWs are fury.
Okay sure lol.
You can have fun being a useless "fly around the merry-go-round" SW in PvP with temptation, or by being an equally useless damnation SW.
SW is dead without damage. Fury is the only real viable path for PvP. The other paths can work but are nowhere near as effective as fury.
Also as Misery said, all top SWs are Fury.
Hmmmmmm.... which would mean that if the devs ever get their brains working and starts to actually implement my "super-duper evil debuff which kraps on DC and Paly heals/tempHP/buffs" then the Temp or Damnation SW would probably be the candidates to receive it, so Furry SWs are damage, Damnation SW for major heal debuffs.. and Temp SW for 'special debuffs (like DR.. or deflection.. or stamina.. or stuff...)'.
That would be so fun to see how it works out.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
so in my case damnation works better as fury, and temptation kills me without effort equally geared
ppl might be wrong running in one direction bc someone told them to do so, and ppl might think they know wich direction to go bc they never did something else than running taht way
go test it and when you are done come back, so do not repeat things you read anywher or got told by someone
maybe my fault not using broken lolset, but without it its exactly taht way I told
all in all the informations you get in forum are very subjective and onesided imo
I experienced too much surprising things, noone told or wrote about , most times you read stuff somone tested and confirmed to be the only way to go, and surprisingly its not...
Seems like You're the one who hasn't tested things thoroughly.
Ok lets discuss this
1. how many warlocks do you think wear T negation and epic lol set in PVP?
2. did you do your tests with all builds
3. representing a mediocre geared warlock that run every tree ( this mod only fury and damnation) I represent the majority of the class
4. there are few warlocks in PVP that are top geared, and these guys deal good job, but are far away from ruling the game, the reason they run fury I assume is:
a. they wear T Negation and do not profit that much from endless cc immunity and permashift with perma 30% DR, beeing all time near cap and
b. they need more damage facing maxed chars, no soft target in that league, this only works with broken damageloops from creeping death combined with lol set, otherwise they just won´t get anything done
5. 70% of the threads about warlock are focussed on complaints about the class, sure justified somehow, 30% discuss other topics and tries to be contructive, lots of these threads are filled with misinformations, especially PVEwise
but nowhere you can find posts that clearly shows how crazy dominant some builds are in PVE, near noone tells ppl that there are crazy option with a build that makes you a big number in PVE outdamaging all other classes in T2 skirmishes and also T1, sure broken but what is not broken in this game?
I think its a better service to post things here that fit to lets say 90% of playerbase, that seems somehow clueless if I read some coments in the forum, like: ".... bla bla...its right because xy told me so", posting same stuff they read in threads and take it for common law because they did not make any other experiences is poor and not very creative nor producitve
not willing to point in any direction, some things are plain wrong or onesided referred
thats no answer, thats just another comment without arguments
Pouring blades and DT into minion types and are still alive afterwards, AS FURY! If that's not a sign of how horribly underpowered the SW is then there's no hope of making the class a valuable contributor.
Why are the at-wills among the weakest of all the classes? I don't bloody get it. And most of the powers just aren't any good with the long cooldowns and low damage with mobs having so much HP now. CWs can swap around powers as they please and still get good performance, why can't the SW do as it was meant to from the start. Remove TT from the game and let them do some actual damage without having to lean on that power so badly.
I'm spec'd as fury atm, the DPS path. My GF and DC are DPS spec'd as well, but perform so much better it just leaves me scratching my head. All my characters are around the 2.2k range and equally geared so there's no excuse there. Other classes can dish out control and deal better damage, the GWF just spams at-wills. The SW can only deal damage in SPECIFIC scenarios, why can't it just be simple and work out of the box like everything else?
Chris (martianmhunter) is currently top SW and Ralexinor is number two (deathstroke ). I am floating around 18 page too (talking about NCL btw, not that broken one) and we are all fury spec'd warlocks. And now, you tell us that we don't properly test out the set of powers? We did TEST <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of warlocks, lifesteal, high RIS or flat DPS. Flat DPS won.
Now can I please know who are you in game, just was wondering. Also in that post you're selfclaimed representative of mediocre geared SW players? Ye? I've got a good memory and I remember you were saying you had rank 10s and perfect enchantments. That's no mediocre. 1) So far all PvP warlocks I encountered had lostmauth set/greater or perfect negation.
2) I did test temptation before NCL a lot and started m6 as a damnation SW too. Both lack DPS badly while fury is capable of taking down some enemies 1vs1 temptation/damnation can't. I even tried running perma CC build but cryptic broke harrow storm so GG.
3) Lol I assure you I saw many mediocre SWs and they ran fury too. And I am as hell as sure I have much more pvp experience then you do so no, not a majority.
4) Until I hit 150 matches mark in NCL I ran NORMAL negation + perfect holy avenger + not working high recharge speed build without losmaut set, that's not even bis and I was on 4th page. Yet another IQ depressing conversation with p2w hints. And we don't PvE at all, it's just people that want both pve and pvp and not willing to devote to one field or an another. We do PvP only.