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Perma Stun HR's are ruining PvP!
lvl99looter
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 682 Arc User
I have loads of footage of me and other players getting rooted constantly when fighting HR's. Players get rooted SO much that players barely, and I mean BARELY can fight back. The time frame to counter attack them is so microscopic, that it's EXTREMELY easy to miss it, then you're right back where you started; CONTROLLED. On average, on AVERAGE semi-geared perma stun HR's can control players for 6+ seconds in one ration MINIMUM! As soon as their CC rotation is done, they're CC immunity begins! First, HR's have 6 dodges. I repeat SIX DODGES. That means they can become immune to damage and CC 6 times! But wait, let's not forget Fox Shift. Fox <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is a melee attack that makes them immune to damage & CC once again. So what's that, a total of 7 immunity encounters so far? But wait, there's MORE! Fox Cunning! Raise your hand if you know what fox cunning does. Don't know? No worries, I'll explain it for you. Fox Cunning is an ability that allows HR's and his affected teammates to be able to magically dodge an enemy's attack/damage. Although they are NOT immune to CC during this time, they are however immune to damage once again.
So now we're at 8 abilities of IMMUNITY. I think the time as come! Now we can finally attack them!! Get ready!
*Does bull charge*
*HR dodges*
What the f-!? Oh that's right! I almost forget, STAMINA REGEN! No worries, he should be out of dodges now.
*HR does daily to go stealth*
What the hell? Since when was I fighting a Rogue? Wait-so since I can't see him, does that mean I can't use my powers on him? Meaning I can't CC him or deal damage? Is that a form of immunity of some sort? Hmm...
*Gets stunned/dazed*
And now we're right back where we started!
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Solutions:
Fox Shift - Immune to CC, NOT immune to damage.
Fox Cunning - Keep as is.
Dodges - Reduce to 3, increase dodge distance, increase cooldown between dodges. Basically make their dodges IDENTICAL to DC's and CW's.
Disruptive Shot - Make it an encounter, remove the 25% daily usage all together.
Split the Sky - Decrease AoE size, increase the base damage by 20%, make it attack anyone inside the AoE automatically, raise hit cap to 20.
Aimed Shot - Decrease charge time by 0.35 seconds, and immune to interruptions upon receiving damage but NOT immune in general, or against actual interruption encounters/powers.
Cooldowns - Increase the cooldowns, so HR's can't perma stun or remove the daze/root from PvP.
Boar Charge - Increase damage by 5% and CC duration by 0.2 seconds since it's a prone.
So now we're at 8 abilities of IMMUNITY. I think the time as come! Now we can finally attack them!! Get ready!
*Does bull charge*
*HR dodges*
What the f-!? Oh that's right! I almost forget, STAMINA REGEN! No worries, he should be out of dodges now.
*HR does daily to go stealth*
What the hell? Since when was I fighting a Rogue? Wait-so since I can't see him, does that mean I can't use my powers on him? Meaning I can't CC him or deal damage? Is that a form of immunity of some sort? Hmm...
*Gets stunned/dazed*
And now we're right back where we started!
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Solutions:
Fox Shift - Immune to CC, NOT immune to damage.
Fox Cunning - Keep as is.
Dodges - Reduce to 3, increase dodge distance, increase cooldown between dodges. Basically make their dodges IDENTICAL to DC's and CW's.
Disruptive Shot - Make it an encounter, remove the 25% daily usage all together.
Split the Sky - Decrease AoE size, increase the base damage by 20%, make it attack anyone inside the AoE automatically, raise hit cap to 20.
Aimed Shot - Decrease charge time by 0.35 seconds, and immune to interruptions upon receiving damage but NOT immune in general, or against actual interruption encounters/powers.
Cooldowns - Increase the cooldowns, so HR's can't perma stun or remove the daze/root from PvP.
Boar Charge - Increase damage by 5% and CC duration by 0.2 seconds since it's a prone.
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I laughed so hard at how randomly you pick those powers to make up your "solutions". Except Disruptive shot daily, the rest of those powers you picked is a bunch of useless crappy powers for pvp.
And if a GF has a hard time to fight against HRs. Sorry, but it is either a l2p or gear issue.
I use all kinda enchants to test builds. But during my research HR's have constantly been a issue. Not just for me but other classes/players in GENERAL. Don't believe? Go ingame and type this exactly "What do you guys think about Perma Stun HR's in PvP?" Copy & Paste that and watch the responses you will get. Also, Negation is an VERY expensive enchant. Players shouldn't have to have MILLIONS of AD worth of gear just to fight 1-2 OP classes in the game.
"Please, any HR would trade for TR, CW or DC's dodge any day because they are working consistently." Well if you look at the OP, I DID in fact suggested it. So I don't see the point in mention the dodges when I already discussed it. Also, I BEEN saying HR dodges were broken, and weird things would happen with it, but before a DEV could see my old post so they could look into it, the threads would get locked due to emotional people leaving dumb replies.
Also, instead of responding to me about my suggestions that you like, but don't fully agree with. Why don't you just use my ideas, make some tweaks, and HELP me get this class fixed! If there's anyone you should have a problem with, it should be PWE/Cryptic not me.
Regards.
And HRs aren’t the worst perma stun offenders anyway, ever faced a BiS oppressor CW?
HRs deal less damage than any other dps class so the perma CC is the most viable PVP build. Buff our damage and give archers a little CC (old constricting shot anyone?) and the perma build will fade away.
I'm sorry Ant-Monster but if anyone will be responsible for getting this bugged-to-hell class fixed it certainly won't be you. Since I started playing this game I have seen your pitiful attempts to get HR nerfed on the old (and much missed) forums.
We already have plenty of suggestions and all of them are moons better than what you have on offer here. Remove Crushing Roots - it's not needed in our arsenal (we never asked for or wanted this feature). Or apply an ICD to it. Buff our damage considerably, fix our dodges so it actually works. Ralexinor (who does more than anyone to attempt to help save the HR class) has made other suggestions in Trapper tree to fix the perma-CC issue. We wait for the devs in their infinite wisdom to fix this mess they needlessly made.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
bull charge, flourish and no hr is still alive.
you may wanna talk about that.
The ONLY two changes that needs to happen is moving Fox's Swiftness to the Combat Tree and taking it away from Trapper, and a 20 increase to ranged damage and a 40% increase to melee damage.
Keep in mind, that's GEAR dependent. Perma stun HR's can achieve perma before becoming maxed.
My suggestions may not be the best, but it still represents the SAME THING. HR's need to be balanced, and adjusted.
I think you still suffer a trauma from the beatings of Small Bow back in mod3.
Poor Antyboy...
You talk about changing the dodges of HRs, I think most HR's won't actually mind this, but you can't make the animation the same as CW's teleport dodge, as that's a mage's move, so the closest would be TR's roll, hell yeah I'll take TR's roll, but I don't think it'll make too much difference/
Cooldown of encounters doesn't need to be changed, as other specs will struggle, but perhaps remove forest bond, and/or reduce the effects of swiftness by about 20%, or maybe some options so that stacking recovery is worth it.
Aimed Shot, I like that idea of reducing the charge time, but it should not get interrupted by any weak damage such as DoTs. The damage also has to be significantly higher than spamming rapid shot etc.
Crushing roots, I think this is the hardest balance, some sort of ICD without ruining the class feat is needed. Perhaps reduce the effect against players a lil bit more, and maybe can only happen once a second, so it can buy player's bit more time to counter, especially against 2 HRs.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
1. Don't use words you don't know the meaning to "whole."
2. Yes/No - Have HR's ever been overpowered?
3. Did you ever go ingame and ask "what do you guys think about perma stun HR's?"
4. Did you not once say HR's dodges do not functioning properly?
I like those ideas, I'll make some changes to my OP.
3. Did you ever go ingame and ask "what do you guys think about perma stun HR's?"
Yes, its terrible bug, eventually will be fixed. you can send your research and suggestion for panderus and ask him for fix. period
I think it's a bit low for what you want to be "the most cheated class in game".
remove cc to hr and you'll probably never see one in game.
point is. there are some abusers, especially at pvp guilds, who take advantage from perma cc, but every proper hr want to play striker at pvp as before, so we pray for bug fixed and class can be buffed to reasonable levels. period.
btw. the best placed hrs on the leaderboard are premade hrs. when perma cc bug is fixed, pvp guilds remove all hrs from premades and maybe there will be less hrs in top leaderboard than sw.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
I agree this perma daze has to be gone but at the same time i will at last deal only half of the dmg a supposed "tank" (GF) class deals atm.
Do me a favor and dont start such stupid threads when you login once a mod. Most of us wont play with cc but its the only WAI option in pm's today
Deadpool // HR
Shakur // Tr
There is no perma cc bug. There is a bug that loops two features and can daze you permanently, but only, if they are "behind you". Second, to execute this bug is very difficult and very slow. Anyone with even the slightest pvp experience can dodge or interrupt the intital melee bleed.
No "top HR" uses this anyway (maybe just for the lolz or to try it out). You are constantly dazed because good HRs know how to use their powers with the right timing.
Why are beginners and inexpirienced players always think they know better?
Ant-Monster is a scrub GF. Was and always will be. Thats fine, I let him, but he talks like he knows stuff. He doesnt :-D
Crushing Roots must add an Internal Cooldown. No need to make it an RNG skill but adding an ICD would help and bring back Disruptive shot as a more Strategy based skill.
Perma-stun was a problem with TRs and Perma-freeze/control was a problem with CWs too. HRs are already in a corner and this is the only thing keeping them alive.
Edit:
Rework Crushing roots so that people can fight us properly. No one 1v1s an HR just because HR has Perma CC. HR CC must always be less than CW CC. Let us perma CC in PvE since that makes dungeons somewhat survivable for all your team mates. But in PvP we need a ICD. Im tired of people using Trapper's Cunning feat to have a 25% chance to root whenever they crit, which means Crushing Roots will proc on it every time and Perma CC with a Crit build.
I am not using Trapper's Cunning to gain Perma CC but crushing roots is too OP.
The rework is only required if other classes do not get a CC immunity buff or mechanic to bypass this issue.
Also, for the time being, a Transcendent Elven + Oghma's Token are amazing to fight against a HR.
Instead of removing all of our Hard CD reductions, this one fix will balance PvP considering HR can no longer survive as Trapper and will require strategic gameplay to a certain degree.
Sincerely,
Jinchuriki
TR + HR + OP + SW
Nikostratos
top hrs if you look at leaderboard are hrs from premade and they are all "good enough" to know how to use it. its mostly only things they can really contribute to premade (pvp guilds for example)
if you play pvp, you know, that more and more hrs use it, its not that hard to land. and bring almost perma stun on possible most dangerous enemy is not bad stuff
That was interesting. You call me pathetic, as if I don't know what I'm talking about. But then ADMIT that something is broken with HR's which is the WHOLE POINT of this thread. This is not a hate thread, I don't dislike the Hunter Ranger class. I dislike all the bugs and imbalances in the GAME in GENERAL. I still have plans on making a thread about TR's, CW's, GF's, DC's, SW's, PvE content, the economy, basically ANYTHING that needs adjusting or fixing.
But thanks for proving my point though.
Dude, you should KNOW why this is. All I gotta say is Rogues, Wizards, Paladins.