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Indeed CO is totally 'running off of freeness'. Seriously, is it for real? If PWI was losing money CO would have been shut down long ago. Again all you guys are doing is accusing customers, i.e people who are spending money on the game, of wanting to ruin the game. Not single a person here had anything for free, we've all…
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You people live in a world of unicorns and rainbows where big companies are throwing away profits just to make everyone happy. This is so off the mark. I'm pretty sure that we (you, spinnytop and everyone talking on this thread) are among the biggest spenders and yet accusation of "wanting things for next to nothing" are…
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PWI are such philanthropists.
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What are you taking about. Who said that you HAD to buy a LTS? I didn't. I'm just saying that for $200 or $300 there are a lot games that offer much more than this. And no you can't just ignore the fact that CO is almost 10 years old and that it shows. You can't make a list of what's available on the store and extrapolate…
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Considering there are more recent games with comparable content and accessible for cheaper? No, they're not doing it wrong. A LTS for $300 in 2011-2016 yeah that was a bagain if you could afford it. In 2018 unless you're sure that CO will be your only game for years or if you have an unlimited gaming budget $300 isn't a…
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Mental health issues are helping the game anyway. If I've spent so much money on CO it's probably a sign that I have a few mental health issues myself. lol
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They'd be wrong to think that it would cost them, especially after removing the montly subscriptions. There was no way that after more than four years of subscription I'd be left with no other choice than spend $50 on a silver to FF slot or a $300 LTS in order to keep my FF characters as FF. If everything stayed the way…
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And the begining of my post was important as well. The context matters. Giving something to somebody who never purchased anything or to a known customer are two totally different things. The former almost never happens (except with drug dealers, because addiction is working for them lol), the latter is a common practice.…
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I'd say given how much time they've had to do it I think it will simply never be implemented. But even if they decided to add it eventually, selling it would be a very damaging move in terms of image.
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I don't have a problem with most of these ideas, except the skip cutscene token. Honestly it should be a base feature not a store item... Making players pay for such a feature would only harm the game and Cryptic/PWI's reputation. It's even worse than Creative Assembly and their "turn on blood" paying DLCs for Totalwar…
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I don't know what you're calling trying to get free stuff. If that's handing out new slots to F2P players yes that's indeed giving free stuff and it won't acheive much unless that free stuff is an invitation to buy more. In the case of long time subscribers it is hardly giving away free stuff. Loyalty programs aren't…
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Not a in realistic way, more with a short term perspective. Making the game viable is more than finding ways to suck as much money as you can from your customers. Sure you can squeeze as much as you can but if you push it too far you will upset your clients and they'll leave. You're making a lot at once and then nothing.…
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Lol you really hate that grandfathering idea. You speak of it like it should aboslutely be avoided if possible. Are you sure you're not a Cryptic or PWI employee? Because you seem very concerned about maximizing their profits, even when it is at their good clients expense. XD
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To be fair, when you've been a sub for more than 4 years and you're told out of the blue that from now on if you want to keep your characters as they are it's either $300 for all your slots or $50 per slot we're dangerously close to a "F U" move. Thankfully they're willing to revise their offer and come back with a…
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Indeed, if we're going that route: they only provide me with entertainement while I give them money to pay their bills, buy food, clothes, pay their rents etc. :p Your whole argument revolves around "It's not in the contract, they don't have to do it" we get it. Don't worry you got your point across. Now what I'm saying is…
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It is a nice first step indeed. Props to Kaiserin and the devs who brought our concerns higher up. This is a great opportunity for PWI to show that they value their customers. I'm impatient to see what the reworked offer will be like.
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My point exactly, you don't seem to know the difference between good business practice and generosity. And stop with that bouncy castle comparison, it has nothing to do with CO. You don't build anything, you're not investing anything when you're paying for the right to use a boucy castle. With a game like CO it's not just…
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You are obviously totally unfamiliar with the concept of good business practice. Yes they have the right to act as if everything I've spent means absolutely nothing and treat me as if I was just a new client who barely bought anything from them. That is their right indeed. But that's not what any decent business company…
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You mean if you were renting me a bouncy castle for years then decide that rent is off the table now but that I can buy a permanent access at the same price as any newcomer and more than what the castle is worth. Oh and of course the castle would still be yours and you'd keep selling permanent access. Recognition is not…
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That's true as a Gold sub you had access to all ATs, BUT if you let your sub lapse you have to convert them into a free AT. As a Gold sub you couldn't buy ATs in the store, they were avaible for you to play but you never really owned them.
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I'd be ok with that. Just grant us an unrestricted access to what we had with our Gold subscription. I can live without a monthly stipend and I have no issues with having to go to the store should I need anything more (new character/costume slots, costume pieces, travel powers, retcon/rename tokens etc.).
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I wouldn't go as far as saying generous because it's not like we didn't sink a lot of money into CO, but yes that would be nice. Like I said it would be an appreciated commercial gesture.
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I can only partly agree with this, for long time subscribers it shouldn't even be a question about price. All the 800, 1000+ days subscribers have earned the right to keep what they've build if PW/Cryptic decides to remove the monthly subscription. They've paid more than a LTS's worth (some plaid the equivalent of at least…
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We noticed, but now what next?
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I agree with sterga but I voted YES. :bleep_bloop: I could also have voted "Yes and Fix Lifetime Subcription"... It wasn't an easy decision. I mean I agree with her on longtime Gold subscribers (800+ days) getting the LTS status, they've earned it. But I don't think Gold subscriptions should disappear especially when FF is…
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The Gold to Silver token already exists, it respecs your FF into a Silver AT of your choice among the ATs you've bought. But you also lose access to the Gold only costume pieces (which will be included in the Premium Pack if I'm not mistaken). You also need the Token if your Gold character is an AT.
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Modifications maybe, but restricting their rights? It's not just a modification they are putting new restrictions on the LTS associated services.
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I wonder, when you purchased your LTS was it specified in the terms of use that they could change the associated benefits of your LTS at their leisure? Because it looks a lot like a breach of contract.
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Currently? So potentially a 1 month active Gold sub is better than several years of Gold subscription but currently inactive. That doesn't seem very fair to me. Although I could reactivate my sub before the 7th if I had the insurance that it means that I'm going to keep everything I've got.
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Indeed the premium pack isn't a problem, the real issue is that they're about to break a lot of features just to make room for it.
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That's why we need something that doesn't alter caracters. They have to remain exactly the way they are, we just want an unlock not a convert/respec then convert respec again system and lose some of their gear/costume pieces etc. And for those who have been Gold for 2 years or more I fully support this:…
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Yes that's why the conversion shenanigans are horrible, there should be a way to unlock your Gold FF characters without having to break them first and then rebuild. Just a simple unlock button, just like when you could reactivate your Gold subscription.
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I jumped in game (with a silver character) just to be sure: So yeah, I may haven't been a sub since 2016 but that's still more than 1000 days as a Gold sub. So way more than a LTS subscription cost. EDIT: Actually it's a LOT more than 1000 days: Sorry it's in French, but it says 1714 days as a Gold sub! And what do you get…
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Same here, I've been Gold for at least 2 if not 3 years in total. I've bought stuff on the Z-store, as well. Sure I haven't reactivated my sub since 2017 or 2016, I don't remember exactly, but I've spent more than a LTS worth, that's also a fact. Hell I'm even considering to reactivate my subscription before the 7th just…
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Nope, I've been subbed for 3 years give or take and just because I haven't subbed this year I gonna lose everything while someone who subbed 3 or 4 months this year in total gets to keep everything? I've spent more than a LTS worth of $ on this game and I would get less than some who subbed for three month? Sure. At this…
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When your subscription ends your Gold characters are still Gold, not Silver, that's why they're locked. And if they were FF they are still FF. A Silver to FF slot conversion will do nothing. Yes I guess you could use a Gold FF to Silver AT token then use that Silver AT to FF Slot Conversion option, but that's ridiculous.…
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Well $100 seems a lot if you just want to unlock your gold characters and don't care about the additonnal slots and other bonuses. And "Silver to FF slot conversion" is a bit confusing, because technically your characters are still Gold and not Silver when your sub ends and that's why you can't play them anymore: your have…
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Yes but you could still resub for a month or more to have your gold characters back, but now they're taking away the monthly subscription so there's nothing left. Except going LTS...
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Not just freeform, all your Gold characters. AT can be Gold too if you created them during your subscription time.
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A $300 LTS for a game nearing its end is madness. And there are three options missing: - unlock one of your gold FF characters ($10~15 ?) - unlock one one of your gold AT characters ($5?) - unlock all your gold characters ($50?) Because AT are also gold characters if you created them when you had a subscription running and…
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Kaiserin is the only who seems to care so I'm certainly not going after her. Critics are directed at PW not at her.
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It's worse than that. I've got an AT among the characters I made during my subscription time and guess what, he's locked as well just like my Freeform ones. But I can buy a token to turn my gold AT into a silver AT... Yes even your AT characters are locked if you created them when you were a subscriber. This is madness.
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The returning subscribers would have the nasty surprise to discover that all their characters are now locked behind a $200 lifetime subscription pay wall. But we need more than than, we need a reasonable way to unlock our old gold characters. A $200 pay wall isn't a reasonable option.
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Yeah $25 is already too much, but that's better than $200 for a LTS...
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Especially if you can't use them to recover a locked Gold character. Anyway even if it worked to get one locked gold character back I probably wouldn't be willing to pay more than $25 for that, which is still a lot...
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It is hard to call it anything other than putting a knife under the current and former monthly gold subscribers' throat. They really need to come up with a solution for locked Gold characters BEFORE june 7th. Subscribers and former subscribers NEED to know what are their options if they want to keep their characters before…
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This is clearly not a solution, what we need is a mean to unlock our GOLD characters. Gold characters are already freeform. And you can't use freeform tokens to get back a locked gold character. The only solution right now to recover your locked gold characters is to get a sub before the 7th and never ever cancel it, or go…
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And are we supposed to be ok with that? This is not what we've been paying for.
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The issue is that in a normal game you shouldn't be able to get your hands on the best stuff instantly just by using your credit card.
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Charging players for drops and loot... what a wonderful idea! :rolleyes: