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Release Notes, 5/28
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Release notes for the 5/28 patch.
Costumes:
- Added Cloth/Leather/Metal materials to the Aztec Headdress.
- The Variable Robot costume is now available in the C-Store.
- The Graduation Cap will be available on June 1st as the monthly subscriber reward.
Known issues:
- Several pieces in the Variable Robot have noticeable seams. This will be fixed in a build planned to hit PTS Thursday afternoon, and hopefully the fix will go live next week.
Costumes:
- Added Cloth/Leather/Metal materials to the Aztec Headdress.
- The Variable Robot costume is now available in the C-Store.
- The Graduation Cap will be available on June 1st as the monthly subscriber reward.
Known issues:
- Several pieces in the Variable Robot have noticeable seams. This will be fixed in a build planned to hit PTS Thursday afternoon, and hopefully the fix will go live next week.
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If that's the case then I don't see why the set release couldn't be postponed to next week instead since it's acknowledged that it's being released in a shoddy state. The set is expected to be purchased with ZEN too.
I will still buy it of course. But still seems a bit much to rush it. Maybe wait another week before pushing it out?
They need to boost their end of month sales numbers.
This is why they are willing to push out incomplete/broken costumes.
Exactly! No one should be buying this set as it is, but with people saying they will anyways it will be pushed out regardless of the fact it is a complete failure of the original designer's concept. It should not be released this week or next week for that matter, this thing needs to be reworked a lot more or just deleted.
"Finish it? Oh, hell no, just shove it out there, they'll still pay for it"
Plus
This risks the hate of customers who may be justified to leave over such a thing, but according to Cryptic/PWE CO isn't worth either the chance to get up front money to make it great and doesn't deserve to keep the money it earns from what it already has.
You will buy it "of course"?
Why?
No, really, why?
I'll put it this way - you'll buy it, you're an enabler.
Players with this kind of attitude are a part of the problem with this game.
A big part.
They're enabling this kind of practice from developers thus are making things worse for the rest of us, because we can only expect more badly made sets like this one or Urban Anime.
Because people like you are making this kind of bad practice profitable.
There's no justification for this kind of attitude. No merit in it. You are acting bad. You should feel ashamed.
Nobody who has any kind of sympathy for CO, any good will for this game, who ever wants to see it improve, should spend any Zen on this costume set.
Unless at least it's totally fixed.
That's the only way to demonstrate that this kind of practice won't work any longer.
A work done badly deserves no money. Should be obvious for anyone.
Take it coming from a someone who did a grave and unforgivable mistake of submitting a concept art for this costume - this set is even worse than Urban Anime.
It will be barely justifable to buy it even IF it is completely debugged (and at this moment I'm entirely sure that Cryptic Los Gatos can't debug it reliably), but it should NOT be bought in it's current state.
And I do not believe that a one week more will drastically change anything. Cryptic made it painfully clear.
We'll still be given a set with terrible scaling errors, clipping, wrong color channels, wrong shading with triangles showing on all pieces and a hideously ugly modeled backpack.
Oh, and it will be overpriced anyway.
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Speaking from personal experience I only bought the Urban anime set because of the strapless tank top; something I wanted for a long time. That's it. The jackets and hood look okay but I never cared for them. I could care less about the horribly-done female hairstyle.
Maybe there are people out who feel the same and don't care for the set as a whole, but only for specific pieces of the set that are desirable for their costume concept, especially since the tailor allows for previews of pieces from sets not purchased yet. Since customization means so much in this game, I can understand if someone wants to buy the set if they only cared for specific pieces.
For this set though, I'm not going to jump into buying it to wait and see if they're really going to honor what it is TT has mentioned, to have acceptable fixes for it next week.
Wow, really Meed?, are you going to be that much of an ****?, to her, just cuz your set should not be allowed to be brought? Tho I have to agree, its stupid for them to push it out so early with the bugs, or even in this state, but you don't have to blame the players, acting like this just makes you as worse, then it is.
While, yes its upsetting that, they are doing such thing, and no one is giveing us an answer, but geez, clam down a little bit and not pick on the players...
The game is not perfect (no pun intended), the game is not the worst game ever. Its just balanced, between good and bad (while the bad side, seems to be a bit more fatter then it used to be, poor good side..never will be as fat as its bother)
But really, why release it this early?, its stupid...don' they still have?
Known Issues We Plan To Fix:
- The Variable robot pieces have several visible seams.
What ever visible seams means, I have no idea, but its still not fixed! and the set still looks like an toy that was made to try inspire transformers, but got puked on before it was finished. (The set itself, not your conspet, before you ask)
I am dispointed, in PW, for the 2nd time, but guess you can't please everyone, but think of it this way, we or you, don't have to pay for it, until the fix's are out, but still allow other players to show respect in likeing your concept and buying it, even tho the set looks like garbage, someone with an good creative mind, can still put an bad set as an good costume. The players are happy that Who want to buy it, but until we're happy with it, we'll buy it.
And hay, come on, its not like they are going to force us to buy it? right....
Edit: Found this...
Why, honesty hurts so much?
Because what I wrote is true.
We can expect even more failures like this one. Right after Urban Anime, right after Scientist set.
Because of the player attitude as well.
Also because of apologists being so hurt and offended when things are called by name.
Show me the door if you can, but I'll laugh and stay. You can do nothing to me.
You have no idea? Then I tell you what it is.
You were staring at it in every VR screenshot.
It's this unsightly vertical seam you can see just straight in the middle of the Variable Robot chest piece. Riiight on the windshield.
It's an area where textures aren't meeting close enough.
It's also a very basic modeling error to have it in a place visible like that. It's like screaming "this game is made with even less care than player created gamebryo mods".
Right after tesselation showing over an entire model... <--- This one is still not fixed nor even acknowledged and it's as easy to fix as is setting shading on faces to smooth in whatever 3d editor their modeler is using. It's a fix that can be done in a few clicks.
How those things even made it to PTS? Hell if I know. But it leaves me with no hope for future costume sets as well. Or the future of the game in general.
Dis gonna be good when Cryptic will try their usual marketing mumbo-jumbo like "set made with community"...
Or, maybe not. I do hope they won't. this time.
Dear Cryptic, let's make a deal of sort. Don't call this set as a player designed and don't advertise it as such and we're cool.
Ok?
Oh, and changing a name from Variable Robot also would be a nice gesture. Though, actually, this one was already advertised under this name. Too bad.
But at the very least keep my player handle out of your Arc and Z-store advertisements and we're fine.
Can you do at least that much?
At this point I no longer care what Cryptic will do with this costume as long as it is not connecetd to the costume design contest. Honestly.
The guy (or gal, sorry if I'm mistaken) said he was okay with them waiting another week to fix the problems before pushing it out. But nooooope! Let's all get on our moral high grounds and start lynching this bad, bad person. Bad, bad enabler, how dare you choose how your spend your money and have a personal subjective opinion on quality and worth. Get rekt! You're the reason this game is dying you bad person!
****ing unbelievable.
Think the set sucks? Don't buy it. But some people might actually like it and choose to purchase it.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
I don't hate the game.
I'd wish it having chances at success.
For the games I hate/dislike/I'm bored with I have reserved a very special kind of contempt. I just turn away and never look back.
I don't spend my money on this game just so others can screw it up with how they spend their's. You want to show your support for the game with your money, fine keep paying your sub, buy keys and devices, buy auras and yes buy costumes when they are done correctly, but don't just throw money at ever little thing that comes out no matter what.
When you reward sub-par work you get more sub-par work.
Long Wall Of Text Incoming.
That, is athacly an very good point and you sir have won the internet so I take that back. While I have to admit, I really hated the Urban Anime set, just due to out plan and out-dated it looks (not cuz they did an bad job, I REALLY hate Urban)
But I have still got it, due to the only good part about the set is the Bag, that comes with it, but about the Scientist set. I don't honestly see anything wrong with it, besides it beening small in content and high price, not an good combo, but I do like the set, can fit on some places and the hairs from each set are wonderful.
Thanks also for pointing out what "visible seams means", I had no idea, but I have to agree now its so weird how they whuold do that, and while I have to admit, I whuold be as upset as you are, if this was my own personal set I made and you have every right to be, and well while I don't understand why someone whuold buy it, its an piece of trash, I just won't dis on the player for doing what they want to do with the set or their own money, while I whuold want to save them from the pain of useing their money on such as set, I can't really bring myself to tell them, how much of an "this and that" they are, if its their own life and money, its their choice, I just felt, I should say something, to avoid each other at our own necks, for something that was under our control. But I do apologize, you do rise an good point, and you surely owned my butt, for some reason that I enjoy.
But yeah, reason why I brought that up, was just to try bring up the point that, who ever spends their money on what, is their own fault and reason, while its an silly thing to do yes, we can't excaly bash on -The- player for doing so, moreless do it to the people who made the set in this mess.
I just hope they don't mess up the last one, as they did with this, but Im sure someone will find a way to use this set, I mean there is alot other sets in this game that are bad, to my point of standing that is.
I guess we'll just have to find out?
Short Version: Your raised an geart point, you beat my butt, and I take back what I said
There is a reason why yes we can say something about how someone else spends their money, how they spend it effects what we are spending our money on. When people reward bad work they make it so we get more bad work, saying they like this or that one piece of it doesn't make up for the fact that as a whole the set is horribly done. As Meed pointed out a lot of these fixes are easy five minute jobs, yet here they are staring us in the face.
When people choose to spend their money on poor quality development they make it so I end up spending money on poor quality development. They show the powers that be that they can throw whatever at us and we'll take it. Thats how a company works, the quality of their product is based off what quality their customers are willing to accept.
If enough people show them that they can put out a hot mess like this costume set and it will be bought up just fine then they will continue to give us badly done and over priced work.
I've been too vitriolic. I take it back.
However, this isn't even about the Variable Robot set.
Not so long ago we were treated to a raise in prices for costume set that was supposedly motivated by a concern with costs of work needed for *cough*quality*cough* of CO costume sets.
And now we see none of it, instead of this we're given a clear pattern of repeatedly bad costume sets.
1 - The Space Scoundrel:
Not bad by itself and the modeler could simply not know how badly CO engine handles stretching and bouncing so for me at least all problems with its trench coat piece are totally justified.
Nothing explains the jacket piece still having texture bugs.
2 - Urban Anime:
Overall bland look and narrow theme aside, all the problems it had with scaling on head and hair.
3 - Scientist:
Textures.
4 - Variable Robot:
All the skipped parts and terribly ugly back piece aside:
texture problems, scaling problems, shading problems, clipping problems, overall worse than anything ever produced before. And that's after weeks in debugging.
Compare it to the Holoforce, Psi Dragon and Cosmic Knight, all three being much better crafted at the very beginning and in need of only minimal adjustments before they went live.
Either something will change, or I think we should be really worried about the upcoming Steel Arachnid.
And further sets as well.
Let's say Cryptic decided to build set of Spordelia's Heroic Fashion.
Honestly, I don't even want to think how badly it could turn under the current direction.
And it would be an incredibly awaited set as well. And the more awaited set is, the more it will hurt to have it mutilated.
So, at this point, just being polite and considerate is simply not working.
It's really no time for being supportive by any means necessary. It produces a false impression that everything's okay and nothing needs to change.
If enough people buys a faulty costume set (any faulty costume set) with no regard to its state?
It's a false positive feedback.
It creates numbers that shows the company that they don't need quality to succeed.
Quality my afterburners...
So, for a comic relief and keeping it with the VR theme:
We can do nothing but sit here and complain at the whats been presented i guess...
Unless they magically decide to fix the damn thing...... Pfftt.
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1) Please understand what "literally" actually means.
2) You're accusing the person of having intent in wanting Cryptic to make more low quality costumes when they've said nothing of the sort. Looks like you're projecting.
So how does other people who buy the set while you choose not to, hence spending zero dollars on the so-called poor quality development, make you waste money on poor quality development?
Are you SURE you guys want to do this? In its current state I'd say it's better to hold off until later on when there aren't problems with... everything. All of the clipping with the body sliders, the incredible amount of other options that were just cut out of the entire concept, and no plans to adjust pricing for butchering said concept? You're crushing my hopes here, please don't do this.
And I will always be @DZPlayer122.
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They are giving the developers false positive feed back, showing them they can ram rod junk work through and we'll take it with a smile, so the developers keep giving us shoddy work and now I am stuck with every costume set to come down the line after this being a hot mess. Yeah I can just not buy the horribly misdone costumes, making spending any more money on the game pointless. Thats the big thing for CO now, new costumes to make even more looks, and people like Megaskull are just going to kill that by paying for a costume set that is no where near finished or done in the least bit correctly.
When they reward bad work I end up with bad work as my only option to spend my money on or else just don't spend it on anything in CO.
But. There's one thing that every other wing in the game has in common - they're all angled away from the body so they won't clip with the arms. This set, though? The plane of the "wings" is flat to the back, so that even standing in one place, the elbows cut right through them, especially on the left side. (Lots of things seem to mostly affect the left side, oddly enough.)
But. If you use the VR Shoulders and look from the side, the shoulderpad is barely on top of the shoulder, looks like it's going to fall off any minute, and the upper arm clips right into it as you're standing in place.
But. Voyagersix has amply noted and demonstrated all the places the chest piece clips with the toon's own chest - and not just on that largest slider size, that's just the most obvious example. Even the default clips through.
And which issue are they addressing (and haven't even completely addressed yet)? The seam.
No, this set isn't getting my money. It's not even getting my stipend. Not unless the issues mentioned above are corrected. (It's a pity, really - the "Hawkwing" character I put together on PTS looks promising, aside from the unpleasant clipping issues.)
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Let it go.
Snark never dies.
If predictions are correct this set will sell poorly and Cryptic will have made a mistake by releasing it too soon... berating the few people who buy it is not necessary.
It has been pointed out that by buying this flawed set, in it's current form, sends a message to the Devs that there are people who will buy almost anything, even if the quality says it shouldn't "go out the door" yet.
This continues a trend with releasing flawed, imperfect, incomplete product. Why would YOU argue to ENABLE this?
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"Okay, you're DEAD, what do you do NEXT?"
Except they are a actually a guy and they are known to be a manipulator and a liar among the community. It is people like them who add to the bad end of the stick to this game and go around to make sure people are miserable. If only everyone in this community knows how they are and how they run their SG, they deserve to be blamed and shamed for their attitude.
The costume I would not buy it as is. At least in the bright side they are actually listening to us and doing the best they can to with what resources they have. I don't see this as a bad move to release the set now, only those who buy it now will be a waste of money for something that is not completed. They are aware of the pain of the community is having towards this costume, they hear our pleas. We just have to be patient and see if they can fix it or not.
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Ahahahahahaa~
the development for this game has gone back to it's original base
before Cryptic north, they treated the game and the community with utter contempt
So why would that change now?
This is just what I was expecting from them
so it will continue as before... sorry to be a bummer for this
once you have seen it before, you expect it to occur again
A shame really, you think THEY want to make money, obviously not
Because people are free to choose if they want to buy it or not regardless of how we feel about it.
I believe that if this set really is so bad a vast majority of players will not bother buying it and that will be all the proof Cryptic needs to show that they've made a mistake.
Lose/Lose
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I'm sure other players will find more of them:
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=4771591#post4771591
Hotfix needed, asap.
Unless we're just fixing everything by toning down older costumes to the VR level, lol. :biggrin:
So your assessment is: "buy broken because i can"?
I don't ascribe to that. FINISH a product before you release it. THEN I'll buy it. If either party does otherwise, it becomes a downward spiral.
It DOES affect "me" if "you" buy the unfinished product. Because "they" get the message that it's OK to do so. And "they" will continue to produce unfinished products or never follow up on "promised" fixes. This affects US ALL.
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"Okay, you're DEAD, what do you do NEXT?"
No, my assessment is: "buy it if you want it for whatever reason that may be."
I'm not buying it, but I'm not going to point fingers and shame anyone who does...because it is their decision and I have no right telling them otherwise.
So don't buy their shoddy product, keep it up and they will get the message. Since you're not alone in your opinions many people will probably follow suit. No witch hunts required.
This set is not worth 750zen, though I guess it's better then the 1000 zen I thought you would try to use.