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cryptickalidor
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Granted, he's a little squishy solo, but I didn't have any problems levelling him to 40. The chest beam alone is massively over powered in my build and on a team he is a beast.
But, from what I've seen and read, not everyone shares my experiences with him, so what negatives are you finding with the build?
Pros: Super, stupidly power primary attack
Cons: The 'power armor' specific powers don't provide any synergy to the build, making things like the healing circuits ability all but useless.
But, from what I've seen and read, not everyone shares my experiences with him, so what negatives are you finding with the build?
Pros: Super, stupidly power primary attack
Cons: The 'power armor' specific powers don't provide any synergy to the build, making things like the healing circuits ability all but useless.
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The other issue is that the devs did a downright terrible job of communication so no one testing knew what the goal was that they were aiming for outside of a vague "killer robot".
-Sterga
1: On PTS and for the first few days on production, a bug in Aspect of The Machine caused its activation cost to tick once per second until you hit zero energy, at which point it would un-toggle.
2: Rocket Punch uses a generic model, not your right arm costume part(s).
3: The lack of synergy in the Automaton AT's power selection. Take it from somebody whose commitment to theme has created a slightly sub-optimal Power Armor main: CN's commitment to theme has created a not-even-close-to-optimal Power Armor AT.
4: Forcing players to level an Automaton AT to 40 to unlock AoTM and RP for freeform use.
5: AoTM's stacking mechanic, which only procs on killing blows. Most people think it's useless, but I think it's just narrowly focused on solo leveling outside of alerts. I think CN's intent is for players to use AoTM to race freeforms to 40, then retcon into a form better suited to team content like alerts, lairs, and rampages.
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So that said, I found the Automaton to be pretty fun for a couple of reasons. Rocket Fist had me constantly positioning myself to try to get as many NPCs in a single shot as possible. I do this on other characters too, but it felt much more important to the Automaton, since the cylinder AoE was much smaller. It kinda made you work for it, but for how quickly a character can get around, it didn't feel like a chore.
One thing I figured out late (or maybe because I had a two month break from the character) was that you couldn't build energy while using Reconstruction Circuits, so I couldn't just have it up all the time. While I first thought this was stupid, I realized that I can pop it and Ego Surge just before attacking, while my Energy is full, then blast away with Rocket Fist until Energy is depleted. Them toggle Reconstruction Circuits off, build Energy (which takes like one second due to having high Recovery) then flip on the Reconstruction Circuits back on and blast away with Rocket Fist again, popping Ego Surge when necessary/available.
All this stuff together made it feel like a very active and fun play style. I found Energy Wave to be a great AoE, as well as Chainsaw. But unfortunately, and my biggest complaint, was that you don't get enough Energy ever for a full maintain of Chainsaw (at least not while using Nemesis Gear).
Would I play another one like this? Maybe as a Freeform, with slightly different Superstats and Specializations, but I don't regret having to play one to unlock its powers, at all.
I imagine players wouldn't have disliked it as much if it was not as hyped up beforehand, if the devs communicated their intent w/ the AT's build more, and if leveling it wasn't 'forced' for the new power unlocks. Also consider the missed opportunity of fixing and updating TC as a passive, and giving AT-users a better taste of PA's potential for dps than the Invincible could provide. The AT itself isn't really bad, per se, but CO's PvE content does set a really low bar as well..
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blast attack, second blast attack, third blast attack.
form which only gets set off on kills(this is after it was fixed on PTS)
energy unlock which you have to use either your ONE melee attack(on an EGO build) or a lockout heal to activate.
what I liked about it;
.................
it' stuck at level 14. I swapped a crappy 40 for a crappier 40 to unlock to see whether it is any better at 40. Running alerts with it was.... 'fun'
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I think I started and deleted a hero three times before I decided I liked/loved the Tempest enough to keep one. Only needed to level one hero before I decided that I loved the Squall. The Mountain would have been tried next.
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The archetype was simply badly built, and most PTS feedback was ignored.
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in transit. Glacier, devastator(HW),Savage, Invincible, Inventor, Impulse, Wind, Mountain, Specialist, Radiant,Automaton,Inferno,
Guess which is stuck at the lowest level?
what was that about hating archetypes?
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However, the AT still has energy management issues. But I did manage to get to level 39 on my Automaton. I converted an old level 20 to the AT and went from there.
Another thing I noticed.. when I stopped spamming Rocket Fist and relied more on Chest Beam and Power Gauntlet - things got a lot easier.
You actually got a bunch of ATs along with that LTS though. If you hate em so much why you shellin' out dough to buy em all? Whoops?
If you can't handle the "challenge" then you don't get the rewards. I think it's funny that CN finally thought up a challenge that the big bad FF players can't handle..... "level an archetype to 40" xD
Personally I think the automaton is interesting, and that's clearly what they were going for with it... not "optimized" not "performance" not "best" not "efficient"...... they were going for interesting. BiffSmackwell's post confirms that they succeeded. They made an archetype where you have to think about how to use the powers... the majority of FFs made by players are extremely boring by comparison - there's nothing exciting about a character that does tons of damage and can't be killed while the player mindlessly spams their powers.
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I spent 100 bucks a week ago on the game.
A few months before that I spent about 60 bucks.
I'll read the rest of your comment after you respond to this.
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I bought it for all the free character slots, free costumes and free at's which I hadn't already bought.
as for, maxed out FF, designed to survive while player spams buttons, please read the line at the bottom of my signature. That describes the quality of FF, I make.
Not everyone likes the automatum,
Not everyone likes AT's.
not everyone likes maxed out FF,
not everyone likes NON-maxed out FF's,
not everyone likes lots of alts.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of whether it is good or not, from THEIR point of view.
Laughing or poking fun at people because they don't like what you do with your character, is <fill in your own insult>
<rude reminder removed>
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**scratches head** If you'd have said "as" you'd have been talking about yourself. Which you weren't, you were talking about spinny, so the distinction is near meaningless.
Reconstructive Circuits are pretty lackluster when you really need a heal. So they are not much benefit.
Chest Beam is good but there are better AT's you can get it with...
I would say my main reason for not liking Automaton is simply that I do not feel any desire to have to grind up a badly cobbled together AT all the way to 40 just to cannibalize mostly ONE power. It just is not even remotely worthwhile.
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BUT that doesn't change that it's a Horrible AT. Focusing more on the Negative popularity of this AT, let me put out my hate why
Giving this AT another Toggle attack (like for example Eye Beam) would FIX the energy Management
I wouldn't be surprised if Automaton is the First and Last Reawaken AT, either it killed the Projects or DEVs will abandom it
I paid to play as FFs Slots and sure HELL i will take advantage of it, and when I buy Lifetimer Sub (possible NOT right now) I will retcon my ATs characters into FFs and never look back!
ATs are so Frustating and Limited
But Despite that, I lvled 2 ATs along with Automaton!
The Blade and The Specialist! Guess who had better lvling Experience than Automaton
Thankfully I didn't have to regrind to 40 just for the two or three powers it gave. That would have likely made my feelings for the poorly designed AT worse.
To the OP,
here you . A lot of the complaints bout the AT boil down to this^^.
Having to level it to 40 in order to be able to cherry pick the powers for FF
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I don't know WHY the lack of a block was at ALL a hotbutton on the feedback, adding a block would NOT have solved the problems with this AT.
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here read through ALL the feedback on the PTS about this AT,
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=284791
all 50 pages of it.
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And what the heck does that mean? You were wrong, just admit it. You tried to paint me as someone who has the opinions I have because I've never payed for anything, and you biffed on that one.
Or you were saying that I have the opinions of someone who's never paid.... even though I have.... which would actually make even less sense if you think about.
I dunno what tact has to do with it, you're just removing all the garbage nonsense BS that people try to tack on and just presenting the real truth. For some reason, people don't want to admit that that's the one and only reason. I mean hell, if you had taken ANY archetype and made it the one that people had to level, people would have complained just as much.
If I take away someone's ice cream and say "You can eat that again once you finish eating this shoe", they don't care what brand of shoe it is, they're just bummed that they have to eat a shoe before they get back to eating ice cream.
Neat. Did anyone say that you shouldn't do that? Wasn't me.
Yes, they all are aren't they?
That'd make it kind of weird if they made on that wasn't....
Funny thing, I had a lot more fun with the Automaton than I ever did with the Blade. Blade feels awkward, limited, and really one-dimensional for me by comparison.
It's almost as if the Automaton isn't objectively bad... and whether it's fun or not is a subjective thing...just like all the Archetypes!
I mean shoot, if I gave people my FF's to play, I'm sure a whole heck of a lot of you would say "This build sucks, this isn't any fun to play", even though I think they're awesome and loads of fun ;D
It's entirely possible that fun does not come from min/maxing and synergy... and in fact... there's fun to be had by directly going against those objectives in a build.....for some
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I just like bunching them up and watching the mobs ping back and forth while trying to attack.
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I love that power n_n
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I didn't bother reading past the first sentence. I'm just going to go ahead and refer you to an earlier post in this thread that I made... it's actually right on this page:
Given that you'll see why the rest of your post doesn't make sense being directed at me.
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I guess I didn't notice any of that stuff.. I kind of went against the grain in my build and ignored my Con stat and pumped all my gear into Dex and Ego anyway and my chest beams almost always crit resulting in 2-3K taps and 10-13K fully charged attacks so I was cutting stuff down pretty fast at the higher levels.
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In terms of build, I find it less squishy than archetypes were when I last played them, but bear in mind I last played an Archetype when it was Atari running the show.
My main criticism at low levels is that it feels like we're not doing enough damage, but I can't put my finger on why. Mechanically the archetype is well designed, although it seems to promote a certain style of play I'm not fully used to just yet.
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The line AoE is nice, but also tiny, and far outshone by EW and Chest Beam. Having to set up the line for every mob can also drastically slow down ur grinding. Also doesn't help that the line AoE isn't properly flagged as AoE for the purposes of specs (so for Vind ya'd have to use Focused Strikes for higher crit from it, but that won't help Chest Beam or EW).
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Oy... I haven't leveled an alt without Nemesis gear since... Nemesis gear was a thing.
Think about it! Stacking a stat that isn't a SuperStat! Isn't it wild?!
I often rue the lack of Recovery in most builds, because I'm a simple man, and I like to punch-punch a face to get energy.
I have an overwhelming lack of point here.
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so I have a choice between a aoe which only hits if they standing on top of each other or knocks.
rocket punch is getting a lot of use.
and I am ready to throttle the person who put that energy builder in. it turns off if you use any other PA powers, so you can't heal and shoot it.
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I was using Power Gauntlet on my automaton because the novelty factor with a new skill is not worth being rooted in place while firing it and knockbacks are hardly any real advantage. In comparison the Power Gauntlet gave me similar dps and interrups on targets.
TBH all new powers introduced with this AT are terribly underwhelming.
Though I'm probably the only person who's not hating on Aspect of the Machine. I see nothing wrong in having to rank toggles to get serious benefits out of them, so...
Maybe other damage toggles also should be revisited in a some way so ranking them actually is useful.
I just find this AT, well... Redundant as it is. Not even terrible. Just unnecessary. A waste of time and resources.
Also, gating new powers behind the AT is basically insulting the part of the playerbase who did pay to not play ATs.
That's an awful idea, borderline suicidal, and hopefully it will be never revisited in the future. It's, basically, insulting people who paid you for subscribtion, LTS, FF slots, whatever. It's just... Outright stupid. Full stop.
No more unlocking anything for FFs through archetypes. I hope Cryptic now understands how unpopular idea it was.
The AT itself is not really worse than a few others and it's a free one, so there's that. I did not encounter difficulties leveling it, but then, CO NPCs aren't exactly hard to defeat.
Well, the Heirloom gear is kind of useless pre-level 15 anyway.. but I mostly use it too if for no other reason than to get the XP buff and free eye aura.
But since I made my robot on a lark I just started grabbing whatever mission gear I could get and realized that high dex was more beneficial to me than high con.
Before ATs most of my builds were Dex, Ego and Recovery as my super stats... lately I've been experimenting with different things.
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