You're over thinking it. My current crit rate gives me a 32% damage increase based off my 100% severity. My current offense gives me a 14% damage increase. My total increase is 46% basically.
On test this increase is an additional 6% from severity and 10% from offense. So my boost is up to 62%. It's just straight up math you are just creating an over complex formula for it
My offense is going up significantly more than 125 points, and that's because of the build I use. My live Offense is 432 and my live Defense is 366, on test with an identical build using justice gear my Offense goes up to 753 and my Defense goes up to 480. That's a difference of 321 points in offense and 114 points in defense. My build accommodates this because I've set it up to, again, have offense and defense play off each other.
Is this comparing the same legions and justice? Defense to fitness, speed to speed, precision to precision with all the same mods? You are getting defense from somewhere more than that you would get from just 25 CON. This defense is causing your offense to skyrocket.
Also crit severity from gear is bugged so it gives half of it unless you are already calculating that.
I also do not understand how you are keeping the exact same crit chance % from what you had with legion, you should be loosing a bit of crit chance at least.
I do want to reiterate that the question is "Why do you want it fast?". Some folks have responded to the question "Why do you want it at all?", which is fine, it's just not the question I was really asking (I already know several reasons why someone would want the gear).
It's obvious why someone would want the gear. Now, is someone going to actually answer my question?
Maybe I need to start a "How big of an increase is J-Gear over other stuff" thread xD
Is this comparing the same legions and justice? Defense to fitness, speed to speed, precision to precision with all the same mods? You are getting defense from somewhere more than that you would get from just 25 CON. This defense is causing your offense to skyrocket.
Also crit severity from gear is bugged so it gives half of it unless you are already calculating that.
I also do not understand how you are keeping the exact same crit chance % from what you had with legion, you should be loosing a bit of crit chance at least.
You mean the loss of less than 2% crit rate, and if I decided to calculate in my bonus crit rate from my talents I would probably have a higher increase. And what's to understand? The Best Defense and Aggressive Stance aren't exactly big secrets in this game. Pulling off large numbers with offense and defense has been a pretty solid staple since On Alert first hit the scene.
It's obvious why someone would want the gear. Now, is someone going to actually answer my question?
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I think one or two people did answer your question.
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Some of "us" haven't answered because we're in no hurry to get J gear.
Well that's good... some of "you" who aren't in a hurry to get J gear wouldn't have any reason to post in this thread. I'm hoping to hear from the people who do want the J gear as fast as possible ^_^
You must be new here. Welcome to the CO forums where every thread has a 80% chance of flying off the tracks, down a gully, and washed out to sea before violently exploding.
You must have missed the OP where I predicted all the posts that wouldn't answer the actual question
I would be in a hurry to get the gear if I didn't have to spend Drifter Salvage to do so. Yes I know there are crates of salvage but I really don't like the thought of spending real money to get gear in a game. Yes, I know that I could get said crates from the AH but when I say I don't like to spend real money on gear it also goes for other players' money as well.
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Not agreeing with the drop rates doesn't mean they want to get the gear faster, it can also mean that some of us think it's not worth the effort.
I think that every Gravitar run should give a token, and have the equipment require a number of tokens to buy (for instance 30-40 tokens for each piece. That way you don't have to depend on RNG to get it, but you can slowly build your way to get them.
You must have missed the OP where I predicted all the posts that wouldn't answer the actual question
So why ask if anyone is going to answer your question? I mean, you already listed out a bunch of answers, so not much incentive to reply should the topic pertain the a person.
And no, I didn't read the op all the carefully. Sue me.
Well that's good... some of "you" who aren't in a hurry to get J gear wouldn't have any reason to post in this thread. I'm hoping to hear from the people who do want the J gear as fast as possible ^_^
I don't think you're going to get the answer you're looking for, because fast is nobody's concern. Reward for time and effort is our concern, thanks to the RNG.
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I don't think you're going to get the answer you're looking for, because fast is nobody's concern. Reward for time and effort is our concern, thanks to the RNG.
You would think that would mean this thread got zero response posts, but that would require people to use logic when responding to threads
Fast is actually a concern for several people I've talked to; they want the gear by the end of the first cycle, and in some cases they despise the fact that they even had to wait until the 4th rampage before they would be able to get the gear.
Different people have different ideas of how much reward should be given for a certain amount of effort.
It's obvious why someone would want the gear. Now, is someone going to actually answer my question?
Maybe I need to start a "How big of an increase is J-Gear over other stuff" thread xD
The numbers are related since it's been stated that the improvement in stats provided by Justice gear, regardless of one's opinion on whether they're significant enough or not, is actually relevant to why someone would want to get the gear as quickly as possible.
Maybe consider that before you flat-out dismiss the numbers as something off-topic with regards to your precious little thread. Also hint: The more you try to impose upon others on how they "should" answer your question, the more likely you're not going to get an answer you like.
The numbers are related since it's been stated that the improvement in stats provided by Justice gear, regardless of one's opinion on whether they're significant enough or not, is actually relevant to why someone would want to get the gear as quickly as possible.
Maybe consider that before you flat-out dismiss the numbers as something off-topic with regards to your precious little thread. Also hint: The more you try to impose upon others on how they "should" answer your question, the more likely you're not going to get an answer you like.
If someone says "I want it as fast as possible because I need the stat increase" then I'll ask them for what content they need that stat increase... then they'll go back to being evasive, and that line of conversation will effectively be over. That's why how much of an increase J-Gear gives is irrelevant. It could give an increase of 1%, or it could give an increase of 300%... the actual amount doesn't matter because someone will say it's a lot, and someone else will say it doesn't matter, but no one will be able to point out any content that actually requires that increase, and objective gear relevancy is dependent on content that requires it.
I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone actually. If you actually read, you'll see I invite people to make off-topic responses as much as they like. However, I am going to keep asking the question and clarifying what I'm asking because that's really the only question I'm interested in getting an answer to. People can respond with whatever they like, but that doesn't mean that I'm suddenly required to change my desired topic of conversation, does it?
Don't worry, I fully realize that derailers gonna derail... that's actually indicated right in the very first post of the thread. It helps to read those sometimes.
I'm in agreement with Jenny on this. Op you are gonna ask a question that subjective and then gripe about the responses?
Define "fast" at least, as it relates to your idea of the term.
I already defined that. Check back a few posts.
I'm "griping" about the responses, as you so forumishly put it (^.^) because they're not responses to my question. Saying that I'm griping about the responses is actually inaccurate, because if you read my posts you'll notice that I openly invite people to respond with whatever they want. However, I am going to continue to clarify what it is that I'm asking so that hopefully somewhere along the way I get a few answers to the question I actually set out to get answers to. It's not as if I have to abandon my desired topic simply because someone else made an off-topic response, right?
If my pointing out that someone is not answering my question upsets you, I invite you to skip my posts ^_^
Other...arrrrrgh. As I type this I see what you are doing.
Honest question are you trying to make the forums look busy or rile people up?!
And no you may NOT answer "both". Pick one.
Neither. Not really sure why this would rile anyone up... is my question really that upsetting to you? If not... then why would you think anyone else would be riled up by it? o_O (psst, yes I know people around here don't need much motivation to get upset over every little thing ^_^ though it is funny that so many people around here love to give their opinion... until somebody actually asks for it...then they wanna tell you you're bad for asking for their opinion, or that you're asking for their opinion in the wrong way... now that's weird o3o)
As for making the forums look busy, why that'd be like putting a sweater on an anorexic girl to make her look fat! Both because it wouldn't work, and also because it's not something I would want to do because it would just amount to trying to cover up a problem that really needs to be addressed... get that girl an omelette.
I am not desperate for the Justice Gear. However I am pissed off that when I work towards something I still have nothing to show for it. Random chance is a stupid mechanic end of story. I want to feel I am actually making headway towards a goal, not at the mercy and whims of random chance to decide when it shall smile on me. And it only makes people even more bitter when others are sitting their bragging about how many tokens they already have while people have done as many if not more and have barely anything or nothing to show for it.
One of the best answers of the thread.
If there had never been a COH there would never have been a CO. :cool:
If someone says "I want it as fast as possible because I need the stat increase" then I'll ask them for what content they need that stat increase... then they'll go back to being evasive, and that line of conversation will effectively be over. That's why how much of an increase J-Gear gives is irrelevant. It could give an increase of 1%, or it could give an increase of 300%... the actual amount doesn't matter because someone will say it's a lot, and someone else will say it doesn't matter, but no one will be able to point out any content that actually requires that increase, and objective gear relevancy is dependent on content that requires it.
I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone actually. If you actually read, you'll see I invite people to make off-topic responses as much as they like. However, I am going to keep asking the question and clarifying what I'm asking because that's really the only question I'm interested in getting an answer to. People can respond with whatever they like, but that doesn't mean that I'm suddenly required to change my desired topic of conversation, does it?
Don't worry, I fully realize that derailers gonna derail... that's actually indicated right in the very first post of the thread. It helps to read those sometimes.
Riiiight, so you're saying you invite anyone to make off-topic responses, suggesting tolerance for them, but at the same time you go ahead and arrogantly write off the responses you feel are being off-topic with comments like "look as those pointless numbers!", then add a silly cat face emoticon to sugarcoat it.
If you say you practice impartiality, at least act the part.
since I'm working f/t , not much time and Squiddly is the only one I actually like doing repetitively. I'm safe till about the end of the year.
and yes I can see Spinny's point.
People are rushing to get this gear but so far the only things, that actually might need it for, are the Rampages you get the tokens from.
Reasons so far;
1.some people want the best gear for their characters, regardless of whether it is needed. - Players choice to do what they want with their character.
2. something to work towards- some people like a goal to aim at.
3. Because we can- why ignore something new to do, simply because there is not actually any real need for the gear.
4.(Ok this one wasn't listed)morbid curiosity- how many times will I die in this one?
Fire and Ice- not much but haven't done it much.
Gravitar- my ranged DPS is working as backup healer but is dying less overall.
Sky command- note: don't click on your hoverdisk while flying.
Squiddly- getting one shotted after moving away from him.
and I see the other peoples points;
You did not state in the initial post, your definition of fast. Mine is taking less than 3 months to get.
You could ask exactly the same question about lock box - vehicle and costume drops as well.
As long as the reward is RNG-based, the question of getting it fast or not becomes irrelevant. Doing the rampages more often on a daily-basis doesn't automatically mean that I'll be getting tokens more quickly as compared to doing them periodically. It all depends on my luck. Regardless of the reasons for wanting to get the gear as quickly as possible, "as quickly as possible" doesn't seem like a concrete option to rely on anyway.
I rushed this time because I was afraid of "Ah no, queue dead. I have no more chances to get tokens anymore."
It have already started on far-east-Asian time...
If someone says "I want it as fast as possible because I need the stat increase" then I'll ask them for what content they need that stat increase... then they'll go back to being evasive, and that line of conversation will effectively be over. That's why how much of an increase J-Gear gives is irrelevant. It could give an increase of 1%, or it could give an increase of 300%... the actual amount doesn't matter because someone will say it's a lot, and someone else will say it doesn't matter, but no one will be able to point out any content that actually requires that increase, and objective gear relevancy is dependent on content that requires it.
That really depends.
For some characters, my motivation to switch from Heroic to Legion actually did come from a need - for 100% Dodge, to find the upper limit of DPS for certain primary stats, to drop cooldowns low enough to churn out Sigils faster than they can be destroyed in order to kill Mega-D Terminators... Although even then it was usually one piece first.
That said, I haven't found the same need for Justice Gear.
In terms of need, or at least very big want, I'd say at the moment one of the biggest luxuries you can get for Rampages isn't so much gear, but is a vehicle with Plasma Beam Mk2 and Gravity Pulse, and the most direct route seems to be 140k Q and a Diamondback for 100 Salvage
And I think that's really one of the big driving factors being getting Justice Gear - luxury. It's kind of like getting an ugly, gold-plated Galaxy S-some random number with a perforated band-aid-looking backplate:
Why do you want something like that? There's no practical reason, but people want it anyway for some strange reason.
Though not actually an answer to the question I asked. It actually identifies itself as not being an answer to the question immediately with the first sentence in fact. I think that technically disqualifies it from being a best answer
Riiiight, so you're saying you invite anyone to make off-topic responses, suggesting tolerance for them, but at the same time you go ahead and arrogantly write off the responses you feel are being off-topic with comments like "look as those pointless numbers!", then add a silly cat face emoticon to sugarcoat it.
If you say you practice impartiality, at least act the part.
The "arrogantly" part is subjective. If, in your head, you read my posts in an arrogant tone, then of course they're going to sound arrogant to you. However, you can't then really blame me for the posts sounding arrogant can you?
After all, is it really arrogant of me to consider those numbers irrelevant when I gave a very good reason for why they are and in no way disparaged the people who were discussing the numbers? Those numbers would only be relevant if there was some pressing need to quickly get those numbers, which there isn't.
I'm not sure what impartiality has to do with it... I'm not mediating a dispute or anything, and it'd be hard for me to be impartial when I have a very specific objective in mind that it would be natural for me to be biased towards achieving. Are you saying that to be "impartial" I would have to acknowledge that anything and everything posted in this thread is on topic?
People are rushing to get this gear but so far the only things, that actually might need it for, are the Rampages you get the tokens from.
Reasons so far;
1.some people want the best gear for their characters, regardless of whether it is needed. - Players choice to do what they want with their character.
2. something to work towards- some people like a goal to aim at.
3. Because we can- why ignore something new to do, simply because there is not actually any real need for the gear.
4.(Ok this one wasn't listed)morbid curiosity- how many times will I die in this one?
Fire and Ice- not much but haven't done it much.
Gravitar- my ranged DPS is working as backup healer but is dying less overall.
Sky command- note: don't click on your hoverdisk while flying.
Squiddly- getting one shotted after moving away from him.
and I see the other peoples points;
You did not state in the initial post, your definition of fast. Mine is taking less than 3 months to get.
You could ask exactly the same question about lock box - vehicle and costume drops as well.
Yes, many good reasons to want the gear, none of them having anything to do with why they want to be done with doing Rampages as soon as possible. And yes, I didn't define fast right away, that was my mistake but it has been rectified... sadly, with little effect on the responses I'm getting
As long as the reward is RNG-based, the question of getting it fast or not becomes irrelevant. Doing the rampages more often on a daily-basis doesn't automatically mean that I'll be getting tokens more quickly as compared to doing them periodically. It all depends on my luck. Regardless of the reasons for wanting to get the gear as quickly as possible, "as quickly as possible" doesn't seem like a concrete option to rely on anyway.
Whether they can get it fast or not is in fact irrelevant, that's why I didn't ask "How quickly do you think you can get it?". My question relates to people wanting to get it fast, and why they want to get it fast, which would be a relevant question even if the gear didn't drop via RNG (in that case, it would be people who believe the gear costs too many tokens and want the cost lowered so it is possible to get all the gear they want after one cycle, with the number of tokens corresponding to how much time that individual would have to run the rampages during that first cycle).
I rushed this time because I was afraid of "Ah no, queue dead. I have no more chances to get tokens anymore."
It have already started on far-east-Asian time...
This certainly would be a good reason to want to get the gear as fast as possible. Someone else mirrored this concern, that the queues would quickly go dead after the first cycle and that it would become significantly more difficult to farm the gear after that point.
For some characters, my motivation to switch from Heroic to Legion actually did come from a need - for 100% Dodge, to find the upper limit of DPS for certain primary stats, to drop cooldowns low enough to churn out Sigils faster than they can be destroyed in order to kill Mega-D Terminators... Although even then it was usually one piece first.
That said, I haven't found the same need for Justice Gear.
In terms of need, or at least very big want, I'd say at the moment one of the biggest luxuries you can get for Rampages isn't so much gear, but is a vehicle with Plasma Beam Mk2 and Gravity Pulse, and the most direct route seems to be 140k Q and a Diamondback for 100 Salvage
And I think that's really one of the big driving factors being getting Justice Gear - luxury. It's kind of like getting an ugly, gold-plated Galaxy S-some random number with a perforated band-aid-looking backplate:
Why do you want something like that? There's no practical reason, but people want it anyway for some strange reason.
Again, I would like to point out that I am not asking why someone would want the gear, rather that I am asking why some people want it quickly; mostly directed at people who just want to get the rampage grind over with after the first cycle so they don't have to do it again. I myself also want the gear, though I'm taking a very casual approach to getting it because I'm in no hurry to be done with the rampages.
Central to this whole thing is some confusion I'm having: We've been asking for something new to do for a long time, specifically something new to do at max level. Now they gave it to us, and some people are in a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible so they can go back to doing all the stuff they were doing before that. Those people specifically are the ones I am posing this question to. Other people are free to try to answer for them, but without access to those peoples' thought process I think you'll find doing that to be quite a challenge ^_^
Again, I would like to point out that I am not asking why someone would want the gear, rather that I am asking why some people want it quickly; mostly directed at people who just want to get the rampage grind over with after the first cycle so they don't have to do it again. I myself also want the gear, though I'm taking a very casual approach to getting it because I'm in no hurry to be done with the rampages.
Why do people set up tents and queue overnight for ugly **** gold phones?
Why do people set up tents and queue overnight for ugly **** gold phones?
Because you always want to be the first one to show off the new thing, cause showing it off second just makes you a big lame trying to show off what someone else already has.
i.e. "I don't want to be jealous of people who have it before me", from the OP
Also because those phones tend to run out, and if you didn't camp out then you can't get one... that part doesn't apply to justice gear cause drifter can always make new gear so long as people bring him the components ^_^
After all, is it really arrogant of me to consider those numbers irrelevant when I gave a very good reason for why they are and in no way disparaged the people who were discussing the numbers? Those numbers would only be relevant if there was some pressing need to quickly get those numbers, which there isn't.
What, you mean saying "Look at those pointless numbers!" outright isn't a way of disparaging the people who were involved in that discussion? O Rly Spinny?
I'm not sure what impartiality has to do with it... I'm not mediating a dispute or anything, and it'd be hard for me to be impartial when I have a very specific objective in mind that it would be natural for me to be biased towards achieving. Are you saying that to be "impartial" I would have to acknowledge that anything and everything posted in this thread is on topic?
No, you wouldn't have to acknowledge anything. At all. Impartiality isn't automatically a proactive thing. Just don't berate people for doing the one thing you so claim to willingly "invite" in your thread.
Whether they can get it fast or not is in fact irrelevant, that's why I didn't ask "How quickly do you think you can get it?". My question relates to people wanting to get it fast, and why they want to get it fast, which would be a relevant question even if the gear didn't drop via RNG (in that case, it would be people who believe the gear costs too many tokens and want the cost lowered so it is possible to get all the gear they want after one cycle, with the number of tokens corresponding to how much time that individual would have to run the rampages during that first cycle).
Right, and all I'm saying that the intention of wanting to get it fast is downplayed by the RNG, which is a fact and still within topic.
The question of "How quickly do people think they can get it?" is still relevant when the topic is about getting the gear fast isn't it?
If someone says "I want it as fast as possible because I need the stat increase" then I'll ask them for what content they need that stat increase... then they'll go back to being evasive, and that line of conversation will effectively be over. That's why how much of an increase J-Gear gives is irrelevant. It could give an increase of 1%, or it could give an increase of 300%... the actual amount doesn't matter because someone will say it's a lot, and someone else will say it doesn't matter, but no one will be able to point out any content that actually requires that increase, and objective gear relevancy is dependent on content that requires it.
I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone actually. If you actually read, you'll see I invite people to make off-topic responses as much as they like. However, I am going to keep asking the question and clarifying what I'm asking because that's really the only question I'm interested in getting an answer to. People can respond with whatever they like, but that doesn't mean that I'm suddenly required to change my desired topic of conversation, does it?
Don't worry, I fully realize that derailers gonna derail... that's actually indicated right in the very first post of the thread. It helps to read those sometimes.
I already defined that. Check back a few posts.
I'm "griping" about the responses, as you so forumishly put it (^.^) because they're not responses to my question. Saying that I'm griping about the responses is actually inaccurate, because if you read my posts you'll notice that I openly invite people to respond with whatever they want. However, I am going to continue to clarify what it is that I'm asking so that hopefully somewhere along the way I get a few answers to the question I actually set out to get answers to. It's not as if I have to abandon my desired topic simply because someone else made an off-topic response, right?
If my pointing out that someone is not answering my question upsets you, I invite you to skip my posts ^_^
Neither. Not really sure why this would rile anyone up... is my question really that upsetting to you? If not... then why would you think anyone else would be riled up by it? o_O (psst, yes I know people around here don't need much motivation to get upset over every little thing ^_^ though it is funny that so many people around here love to give their opinion... until somebody actually asks for it...then they wanna tell you you're bad for asking for their opinion, or that you're asking for their opinion in the wrong way... now that's weird o3o)
As for making the forums look busy, why that'd be like putting a sweater on an anorexic girl to make her look fat! Both because it wouldn't work, and also because it's not something I would want to do because it would just amount to trying to cover up a problem that really needs to be addressed... get that girl an omelette.
You hadn't defined it "fast) at the time of my query. Do not tell me to reread as if I've missed something. Also burying it in a wall of text doesn't change the time stamps.
Just getting that out for posterity, yall have fun with this one.
I think that Spinny's topic isn't getting the gear fast. Its about the "want," the desire.
I understood the main question about why anyone would want to get the gear fast and not about how fast it should be gotten. I'm just saying that what I've mentioned is still relevant to the topic.
I myself want the gear because i have waited for gear like that that does not come in boxes
I ima AOPM users and the 25 to all stats means alot to me, i like having all my stats upped
PvP is also a reason... i recently started dueling and was even able to beat Legions/Vigilante users with my heroic/armadillo gear so the next step is to gear up for even more duels and pvp * and a slight hope they add something more interesting to pvp and the game over all *
jelly is another reason... can deny it
another reason is that i have something to do other than standing in millenium city and trolling...
But the most reason for me is that i know there is gear that is available to me.. and i want to "finish" the task getting it
I want this gear as quick as i can get it, so i don't have to do these rampages anymore!
I don't like to grind on random luck. Plus with the instability of the cryptic severs and random bugs you never know when it might be shut down for maintenance.
I have 40 plus toons. But i think i will just grind for one set of justice gear just out of curiosity.
I don't really need it to be honest. I really could careless about pvp, so what's the point?
I guess if i was doing more top tier alerts or rampages it might prove useful, but there is no rush for that on it's own.
I want the gear "as fast as I can get it" because other than the lemurian invasion I don't enjoy the rampages. Therefore the fewer times I have to do them the more time I can spend playing the content I enjoy more.
On the other hand, to answer your addition about the definition of "fast" I strongly suspected before the revamp started that I would not be able to get even 1 piece of the gear on the first cycle through, and it turns out I was right. Despite my best efforts I was not able to get even two of any token except the one from Sky Command. So my definition of "fast" never did meet the thread's official definition. It still stands as "in the fewest number of rampages".
As for why I want it, that is because I still find the game at normal difficulty to be sufficiently challenging that I am hoping better gear will make it noticeably easier. I say "hoping" because until I can test the gear I'm just going by the other people who already have the gear and said they noticed an improvement.
I am constantly looking to become a better player, but when the build is solid, the mods are solid, and I'm doing the best I can with the player-skills available to me at the time, a better frame to mount those mods into is one of the relatively "easy" ways to get better performance for a given character.
And therefore, as I began my post with, since I don't enjoy the rampages, I want the gear in as few repetitions as possible so I can get back to the content I do enjoy, where the J-gear will hopefully make it easier.
What, you mean saying "Look at those pointless numbers!" outright isn't a way of disparaging the people who were involved in that discussion? O Rly Spinny?
Nope, it's not. Not sure why you think it is honestly. If you were personally offended, that's on you, since the reason for feeling offended comes from you. I certainly never had the intent or desire to offend; I was clarifying, and peppering in some humor along the way.
No, you wouldn't have to acknowledge anything. At all. Impartiality isn't automatically a proactive thing. Just don't berate people for doing the one thing you so claim to willingly "invite" in your thread.
I think your definition of "berate" is quite off. I don't think most people are as overly sensitive about this as you are. Me pointing out that people are answering other questions and restating my question to provide clarity doesn't qualify as berating people. Maybe if I was telling them to stop posting or calling for moderator action or something along those lines.. but I'm clearly doing the opposite of that.
If someone asks you for directions to the mall, and you start giving them directions to the library, do you get offended when they stop you half way and say "Actually, I was asking for directions to the mall...".
Right, and all I'm saying that the intention of wanting to get it fast is downplayed by the RNG, which is a fact and still within topic.
The question of "How quickly do people think they can get it?" is still relevant when the topic is about getting the gear fast isn't it?
If you ask me "Why do you want a 200,000,000 dollar mansion?" then I can tell you why I want it, despite the fact that it's quite unlikely that I'll ever get it. If I'm in the desert dying of thirst, with no water for miles around, and you ask me "Why do you want water quickly?", I can still answer that question despite the fact that it's quite unlikely I'll get water quickly.
Whether people can get it fast or not is irreleveant, especially since it currently drops from RNG, since this means that people don't even know if they will or will not get it quickly; some people will in fact get it very quickly (you hear about that guy who got 2 tokens from his first 2 runs? sounds fast to me), so the possibility is there, side by side with the possibility of not getting anything for several weeks. Peoples' answers to the question "Why do you want it quickly?" will not change based on how quickly they can actually get it, because the reason they want it quickly will not change, and because their answer can't change based on knowledge they don't have (nobody knows how fast they can/will get the gear, because it's random).
You hadn't defined it "fast) at the time of my query. Do not tell me to reread as if I've missed something. Also burying it in a wall of text doesn't change the time stamps.
Just getting that out for posterity, yall have fun with this one.
Date of your query in post #75: 03-02-2014, 03:11 AM
Date I defined "fast" in post #32: 02-28-2014, 03:13 PM
I want this gear as quick as i can get it, so i don't have to do these rampages anymore!
That is unfortunate that they finally come out with some new stuff to do and it turns out to be something you don't enjoy. However, I do feel compelled to point out that you don't actually have to do the rampages if you don't enjoy them, you could just be doing all that other stuff you do enjoy instead. That's what I'm doing... only doing the rampages when it's actually fun, and then doing other stuff the rest of the time... fun first! stats second.
And therefore, as I began my post with, since I don't enjoy the rampages, I want the gear in as few repetitions as possible so I can get back to the content I do enjoy, where the J-gear will hopefully make it easier.
People who crunch numbers will quickly point out that J-Gear doesn't make too much of a difference, but the fact that you believe that it will coupled with the fact that (again, unfortunately) you don't enjoy the rampages does give a clear reason for why you want to get it as quickly as possible, and why in your case "just don't do them" isn't an option. I just hope that when you get the gear and find out how minimal the increase is you won't be too hard on Cryptic for dangling that carrot in front of you >.>
For my own personal curiousity, is there any specific content you play that you find challenging? I'm always looking to rediscover the trickier bits of CO
Personally I wish every Rampage took a bit more effort.....like running Therakiel's Temple - such awesome content that no one does anymore since alerts are right there in your face all the time....and because it doesn't reward you with much for all the effort.
If it didn't take anywhere between 2 and 20 minutes to do a rampage then they would not have to make the drop rates so low and the diminishing returns curve so steep.
Imagine something like Therakiel's Temple but with 2x the mobs (and or damage, hp, etc) but running it with 10 people instead of 5. WOULD BE SO SWEET!
To answer the OP, I want Justice Gear fast because I don't feel that my characters are complete without having the best of everything and I'm too impatient to wait around.
Having said that, I still wish it took more effort to get the gear because I'm afraid that once everyone gets it we'll be back to having nothing to do.
That is unfortunate that they finally come out with some new stuff to do and it turns out to be something you don't enjoy.
One 5-10 minute alert-style rampage doesn't really bother me if I like it or not. It's so short, and there's so much other stuff that is fun. If they made a new comic series and I didn't like it, then I'd be sad.
However, I do feel compelled to point out that you don't actually have to do the rampages if you don't enjoy them, you could just be doing all that other stuff you do enjoy instead. That's what I'm doing... only doing the rampages when it's actually fun, and then doing other stuff the rest of the time... fun first! stats second.
One thing I have learned is that if you want the new shiny, get it while the crowd does too. For example, the only rampage I've gotten 2 tokens from was sky command, and because of the fix to drop rates, if I'd have waited I almost certainly would only have one or none.
And many other times, what is fast and easy to find a group for right away, becomes very hard just a month or two later.
Last, I'm currently working on revamping my character anyway, so now's a good time to get the gear and toss it "in the pot" with the rest of the changes.
People who crunch numbers will quickly point out that J-Gear doesn't make too much of a difference, but the fact that you believe that it will coupled with the fact that (again, unfortunately) you don't enjoy the rampages does give a clear reason for why you want to get it as quickly as possible, and why in your case "just don't do them" isn't an option.
Those who are better with numbers than me, and who have helped with several of my character builds have informed me that Justice works best in two circumstances: those who are going for very high defense/offense as opposed to other stats (Dodge, crit, one very high stat, etc) and those who are looking for a well-rounded character without any single attribute pumped very high. Both apply to Razor Bunny's build.
Now, they might be wrong, and if they are I'll still have my legion gear to fall back on (though I do need to tweak the mods either way). But so far, seems like a fit for my goals.
I just hope that when you get the gear and find out how minimal the increase is you won't be too hard on Cryptic for dangling that carrot in front of you >.>
The only thing I'm hard on them for is how most of their "challenges" are just "let's make a bigger sack of hit points", and how their new stuff is all too easy for well-tuned Freeforms and too hard for pugs/ATs. Those are just math issues. The actual content side is nice. However, those math issues are what spoil fire and ice for me and make it no fun.
I've mentioned it (not to you specifically) before in a few posts, but my favorite "mission" in any of cryptic's three games is Mine Trap from STO. I would LOVE to convince the Cryptic North people to make a direct, unchanged clone of that which worked using CO's mechanics and just slightly edited to account for CO's setting and graphics.
In short, there's no boss at all. It is team content where you must accomplish actions in four different locations at once, so you have to split up. You are not killing or defeating as your primary goal, you're saving people. Rewards are based on how many people you save (122 is the theoretical max but you get top rewards on anything over 100) not how many enemies you defeat. Each single group (it's 4 groups of 5 people) can only save 30 people total, so no one can carry the whole, you need cooperation and coordination. The trinity is meaningless, you can "win" with all damage or all control/support. Finally, it has excellent rewards for the time required.
For my own personal curiousity, is there any specific content you play that you find challenging? I'm always looking to rediscover the trickier bits of CO
What I find tricky, is not necessarily a good guide. Most other people describe the bits I have a hard time with as "faceroll easy".
For example, I have never yet beaten the Menton mission in the desert with a level appropriate or even level +5 character. Menton is a wuss. The illusion of Kodiak he summons can drop me through a rank 2 block in 2 hits at normal difficulty. I have not yet managed to make a character who can drop him before he gets off the second punch.
Similarly, I have managed to solo megaterak only once and I've never beaten the end boss in serpent lantern solo, nor demon flame.
I agree, numbers based content sucks. Would like to see more action-oriented content myself. The saving people mission is something I've wished for more of as well; not just that specific mission, but just more objectives in general that can't just be ez-moded by picking powers X, Y and Z with primary super stat A.
If you already have Legion Gear, you'll be seeing even less of an improvement with J-Gear, so if you don't get it before the crowd moves on (if that actually happens), don't stress about it.
And yeah, generally when people tell me about content they find challenging it boils down to "It's challenging because my numbers aren't big enough"... which is bleh.
Personally I wish every Rampage took a bit more effort.....like running Therakiel's Temple - such awesome content that no one does anymore since alerts are right there in your face all the time....and because it doesn't reward you with much for all the effort.
If it didn't take anywhere between 2 and 20 minutes to do a rampage then they would not have to make the drop rates so low and the diminishing returns curve so steep.
Imagine something like Therakiel's Temple but with 2x the mobs (and or damage, hp, etc) but running it with 10 people instead of 5. WOULD BE SO SWEET!
To answer the OP, I want Justice Gear fast because I don't feel that my characters are complete without having the best of everything and I'm too impatient to wait around.
Having said that, I still wish it took more effort to get the gear because I'm afraid that once everyone gets it we'll be back to having nothing to do.
More effort? Yes.
Rarer random luck odds? F*** no!
If Therakiel gave you a guaranteed chance to get any of the 4 rampage tokens of your choosing when you went to cash the fully completed Apocalypse Aversion mission in to Caliburn at Dr. Ka's place; hell I'd be lining up at the church every day. So would a bunch of other people.
And lets not forget really long campaigns like Aftershock, which frankly I find very fun on Elite with a full team of 5, but it's nearly impossible to find people to do that nowadays, especially since we're all grinding for the slim chance we'll be lucky enough to get a drop.
As it is, today with the nerf to the drops for Sky Command I got a big far ZERO Destreum Ballbearings. That's BS, I'm sorry.
As it is, today with the nerf to the drops for Sky Command I got a big far ZERO Destreum Ballbearings. That's BS, I'm sorry.
Unfortunately, their stance on the RNG thing seems pretty firm. So just be like your hero SpinnyTop and just completely stop caring about when/if you get J-gear. Just let it be a thing you happen to get if you happen to end up wanting to do rampages enough times.
I think, in a strange sort of way, that that is their intent. They didn't want us to look at it as "Okay, now I HAVE TO do these bits of content X number of times to get this stuff"... they wanted us to say "Hmmm... if I choose to do these bits of content, I might get a thing or I might not... so whatever, I'll just do it if it's fun since there's no point forcing myself to grind it since I might end up getting nothing".
Kind of like trying to motivate us to be casual about it. I know some people who were going to be super hardcore grind about it at first, but when the odds didn't fall in their favor they suddenly decided to be a lot more casual about it... and maybe that's not a bad thing.
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On test this increase is an additional 6% from severity and 10% from offense. So my boost is up to 62%. It's just straight up math you are just creating an over complex formula for it
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Is this comparing the same legions and justice? Defense to fitness, speed to speed, precision to precision with all the same mods? You are getting defense from somewhere more than that you would get from just 25 CON. This defense is causing your offense to skyrocket.
Also crit severity from gear is bugged so it gives half of it unless you are already calculating that.
I also do not understand how you are keeping the exact same crit chance % from what you had with legion, you should be loosing a bit of crit chance at least.
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It's obvious why someone would want the gear. Now, is someone going to actually answer my question?
Maybe I need to start a "How big of an increase is J-Gear over other stuff" thread xD
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You mean the loss of less than 2% crit rate, and if I decided to calculate in my bonus crit rate from my talents I would probably have a higher increase. And what's to understand? The Best Defense and Aggressive Stance aren't exactly big secrets in this game. Pulling off large numbers with offense and defense has been a pretty solid staple since On Alert first hit the scene.
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I think one or two people did answer your question.
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You must be living under a rock or I'm missing the point or its the morphine but Spiny has been annoying the CO forums for ages /o/
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Some of "us" haven't answered because we're in no hurry to get J gear.
I do just fine w/ basic blues on most of my characters, with about a dozen using SCR Heroic gear. One guy has 1 Legion gear I got from a lockbox.
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Well that's good... some of "you" who aren't in a hurry to get J gear wouldn't have any reason to post in this thread. I'm hoping to hear from the people who do want the J gear as fast as possible ^_^
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You must have missed the OP where I predicted all the posts that wouldn't answer the actual question
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Why?
I will be, the very best,
Like no Fudge ever was.
To punch Gravi is my real test,
To tank Frosticus is my cause.
I will travel, across the street,
farming far and wide.
Each rampage, to understand,
the mechanics deep inside.
GOTTA FARM 'EM ALL.
(I was a bit bored.)
Deliciously nutritious!
I think that every Gravitar run should give a token, and have the equipment require a number of tokens to buy (for instance 30-40 tokens for each piece. That way you don't have to depend on RNG to get it, but you can slowly build your way to get them.
So why ask if anyone is going to answer your question? I mean, you already listed out a bunch of answers, so not much incentive to reply should the topic pertain the a person.
And no, I didn't read the op all the carefully. Sue me.
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Here's some pointy numbers for you then.
I don't think you're going to get the answer you're looking for, because fast is nobody's concern. Reward for time and effort is our concern, thanks to the RNG.
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You would think that would mean this thread got zero response posts, but that would require people to use logic when responding to threads
Fast is actually a concern for several people I've talked to; they want the gear by the end of the first cycle, and in some cases they despise the fact that they even had to wait until the 4th rampage before they would be able to get the gear.
Different people have different ideas of how much reward should be given for a certain amount of effort.
For the same reason I asked the question in the first place ^_^
Pointy numbers are the opposite of pointless numbers u3u
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The numbers are related since it's been stated that the improvement in stats provided by Justice gear, regardless of one's opinion on whether they're significant enough or not, is actually relevant to why someone would want to get the gear as quickly as possible.
Maybe consider that before you flat-out dismiss the numbers as something off-topic with regards to your precious little thread. Also hint: The more you try to impose upon others on how they "should" answer your question, the more likely you're not going to get an answer you like.
I dismiss concerns pertaining to the question but that are of no interest to me.
Confirmation bias.
Can't expect for the rest of players to answer according to your own bias, right?
Define "fast" at least, as it relates to your idea of the term.
Other...arrrrrgh. As I type this I see what you are doing.
Honest question are you trying to make the forums look busy or rile people up?!
And no you may NOT answer "both". Pick one.
If someone says "I want it as fast as possible because I need the stat increase" then I'll ask them for what content they need that stat increase... then they'll go back to being evasive, and that line of conversation will effectively be over. That's why how much of an increase J-Gear gives is irrelevant. It could give an increase of 1%, or it could give an increase of 300%... the actual amount doesn't matter because someone will say it's a lot, and someone else will say it doesn't matter, but no one will be able to point out any content that actually requires that increase, and objective gear relevancy is dependent on content that requires it.
I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone actually. If you actually read, you'll see I invite people to make off-topic responses as much as they like. However, I am going to keep asking the question and clarifying what I'm asking because that's really the only question I'm interested in getting an answer to. People can respond with whatever they like, but that doesn't mean that I'm suddenly required to change my desired topic of conversation, does it?
Don't worry, I fully realize that derailers gonna derail... that's actually indicated right in the very first post of the thread. It helps to read those sometimes.
I already defined that. Check back a few posts.
I'm "griping" about the responses, as you so forumishly put it (^.^) because they're not responses to my question. Saying that I'm griping about the responses is actually inaccurate, because if you read my posts you'll notice that I openly invite people to respond with whatever they want. However, I am going to continue to clarify what it is that I'm asking so that hopefully somewhere along the way I get a few answers to the question I actually set out to get answers to. It's not as if I have to abandon my desired topic simply because someone else made an off-topic response, right?
If my pointing out that someone is not answering my question upsets you, I invite you to skip my posts ^_^
Neither. Not really sure why this would rile anyone up... is my question really that upsetting to you? If not... then why would you think anyone else would be riled up by it? o_O (psst, yes I know people around here don't need much motivation to get upset over every little thing ^_^ though it is funny that so many people around here love to give their opinion... until somebody actually asks for it...then they wanna tell you you're bad for asking for their opinion, or that you're asking for their opinion in the wrong way... now that's weird o3o)
As for making the forums look busy, why that'd be like putting a sweater on an anorexic girl to make her look fat! Both because it wouldn't work, and also because it's not something I would want to do because it would just amount to trying to cover up a problem that really needs to be addressed... get that girl an omelette.
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The answer to the question can simply be "why not?"
Also what was the point of asking this question?
If there had never been a COH there would never have been a CO. :cool:
One of the best answers of the thread.
If there had never been a COH there would never have been a CO. :cool:
Riiiight, so you're saying you invite anyone to make off-topic responses, suggesting tolerance for them, but at the same time you go ahead and arrogantly write off the responses you feel are being off-topic with comments like "look as those pointless numbers!", then add a silly cat face emoticon to sugarcoat it.
If you say you practice impartiality, at least act the part.
filled it in , score so far
F&I, 1 win Q -
Sky command - 10 wins - Q 2 of 3 costumes and 2 ball bearings-
Gravitar - 10 wins -Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q+ vest -
Squiddly- Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,Q,swap characters- Q+scale, Q
since I'm working f/t , not much time and Squiddly is the only one I actually like doing repetitively. I'm safe till about the end of the year.
and yes I can see Spinny's point.
People are rushing to get this gear but so far the only things, that actually might need it for, are the Rampages you get the tokens from.
Reasons so far;
1.some people want the best gear for their characters, regardless of whether it is needed. - Players choice to do what they want with their character.
2. something to work towards- some people like a goal to aim at.
3. Because we can- why ignore something new to do, simply because there is not actually any real need for the gear.
4.(Ok this one wasn't listed)morbid curiosity- how many times will I die in this one?
Fire and Ice- not much but haven't done it much.
Gravitar- my ranged DPS is working as backup healer but is dying less overall.
Sky command- note: don't click on your hoverdisk while flying.
Squiddly- getting one shotted after moving away from him.
and I see the other peoples points;
You did not state in the initial post, your definition of fast. Mine is taking less than 3 months to get.
You could ask exactly the same question about lock box - vehicle and costume drops as well.
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That really depends.
For some characters, my motivation to switch from Heroic to Legion actually did come from a need - for 100% Dodge, to find the upper limit of DPS for certain primary stats, to drop cooldowns low enough to churn out Sigils faster than they can be destroyed in order to kill Mega-D Terminators...
That said, I haven't found the same need for Justice Gear.
In terms of need, or at least very big want, I'd say at the moment one of the biggest luxuries you can get for Rampages isn't so much gear, but is a vehicle with Plasma Beam Mk2 and Gravity Pulse, and the most direct route seems to be 140k Q and a Diamondback for 100 Salvage
And I think that's really one of the big driving factors being getting Justice Gear - luxury. It's kind of like getting an ugly, gold-plated Galaxy S-some random number with a perforated band-aid-looking backplate:
Why do you want something like that? There's no practical reason, but people want it anyway for some strange reason.
"why not" is the ultimate evasive answer
I already answered the "what's the point of asking this" question. Check back a few posts.
Though not actually an answer to the question I asked. It actually identifies itself as not being an answer to the question immediately with the first sentence in fact. I think that technically disqualifies it from being a best answer
The "arrogantly" part is subjective. If, in your head, you read my posts in an arrogant tone, then of course they're going to sound arrogant to you. However, you can't then really blame me for the posts sounding arrogant can you?
After all, is it really arrogant of me to consider those numbers irrelevant when I gave a very good reason for why they are and in no way disparaged the people who were discussing the numbers? Those numbers would only be relevant if there was some pressing need to quickly get those numbers, which there isn't.
I'm not sure what impartiality has to do with it... I'm not mediating a dispute or anything, and it'd be hard for me to be impartial when I have a very specific objective in mind that it would be natural for me to be biased towards achieving. Are you saying that to be "impartial" I would have to acknowledge that anything and everything posted in this thread is on topic?
Yes, many good reasons to want the gear, none of them having anything to do with why they want to be done with doing Rampages as soon as possible. And yes, I didn't define fast right away, that was my mistake but it has been rectified... sadly, with little effect on the responses I'm getting
Whether they can get it fast or not is in fact irrelevant, that's why I didn't ask "How quickly do you think you can get it?". My question relates to people wanting to get it fast, and why they want to get it fast, which would be a relevant question even if the gear didn't drop via RNG (in that case, it would be people who believe the gear costs too many tokens and want the cost lowered so it is possible to get all the gear they want after one cycle, with the number of tokens corresponding to how much time that individual would have to run the rampages during that first cycle).
This certainly would be a good reason to want to get the gear as fast as possible. Someone else mirrored this concern, that the queues would quickly go dead after the first cycle and that it would become significantly more difficult to farm the gear after that point.
Again, I would like to point out that I am not asking why someone would want the gear, rather that I am asking why some people want it quickly; mostly directed at people who just want to get the rampage grind over with after the first cycle so they don't have to do it again. I myself also want the gear, though I'm taking a very casual approach to getting it because I'm in no hurry to be done with the rampages.
Central to this whole thing is some confusion I'm having: We've been asking for something new to do for a long time, specifically something new to do at max level. Now they gave it to us, and some people are in a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible so they can go back to doing all the stuff they were doing before that. Those people specifically are the ones I am posing this question to. Other people are free to try to answer for them, but without access to those peoples' thought process I think you'll find doing that to be quite a challenge ^_^
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Why do people set up tents and queue overnight for ugly **** gold phones?
Because you always want to be the first one to show off the new thing, cause showing it off second just makes you a big lame trying to show off what someone else already has.
i.e. "I don't want to be jealous of people who have it before me", from the OP
Also because those phones tend to run out, and if you didn't camp out then you can't get one... that part doesn't apply to justice gear cause drifter can always make new gear so long as people bring him the components ^_^
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What, you mean saying "Look at those pointless numbers!" outright isn't a way of disparaging the people who were involved in that discussion? O Rly Spinny?
No, you wouldn't have to acknowledge anything. At all. Impartiality isn't automatically a proactive thing. Just don't berate people for doing the one thing you so claim to willingly "invite" in your thread.
Right, and all I'm saying that the intention of wanting to get it fast is downplayed by the RNG, which is a fact and still within topic.
The question of "How quickly do people think they can get it?" is still relevant when the topic is about getting the gear fast isn't it?
I think that Spinny's topic isn't getting the gear fast. Its about the "want," the desire.
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You hadn't defined it "fast) at the time of my query. Do not tell me to reread as if I've missed something. Also burying it in a wall of text doesn't change the time stamps.
Just getting that out for posterity, yall have fun with this one.
I understood the main question about why anyone would want to get the gear fast and not about how fast it should be gotten. I'm just saying that what I've mentioned is still relevant to the topic.
I ima AOPM users and the 25 to all stats means alot to me, i like having all my stats upped
PvP is also a reason... i recently started dueling and was even able to beat Legions/Vigilante users with my heroic/armadillo gear so the next step is to gear up for even more duels and pvp
jelly is another reason... can deny it
another reason is that i have something to do other than standing in millenium city and trolling...
But the most reason for me is that i know there is gear that is available to me.. and i want to "finish" the task getting it
I don't like to grind on random luck. Plus with the instability of the cryptic severs and random bugs you never know when it might be shut down for maintenance.
I have 40 plus toons. But i think i will just grind for one set of justice gear just out of curiosity.
I don't really need it to be honest. I really could careless about pvp, so what's the point?
I guess if i was doing more top tier alerts or rampages it might prove useful, but there is no rush for that on it's own.
On the other hand, to answer your addition about the definition of "fast" I strongly suspected before the revamp started that I would not be able to get even 1 piece of the gear on the first cycle through, and it turns out I was right. Despite my best efforts I was not able to get even two of any token except the one from Sky Command. So my definition of "fast" never did meet the thread's official definition. It still stands as "in the fewest number of rampages".
As for why I want it, that is because I still find the game at normal difficulty to be sufficiently challenging that I am hoping better gear will make it noticeably easier. I say "hoping" because until I can test the gear I'm just going by the other people who already have the gear and said they noticed an improvement.
I am constantly looking to become a better player, but when the build is solid, the mods are solid, and I'm doing the best I can with the player-skills available to me at the time, a better frame to mount those mods into is one of the relatively "easy" ways to get better performance for a given character.
And therefore, as I began my post with, since I don't enjoy the rampages, I want the gear in as few repetitions as possible so I can get back to the content I do enjoy, where the J-gear will hopefully make it easier.
Nope, it's not. Not sure why you think it is honestly. If you were personally offended, that's on you, since the reason for feeling offended comes from you. I certainly never had the intent or desire to offend; I was clarifying, and peppering in some humor along the way.
I think your definition of "berate" is quite off. I don't think most people are as overly sensitive about this as you are. Me pointing out that people are answering other questions and restating my question to provide clarity doesn't qualify as berating people. Maybe if I was telling them to stop posting or calling for moderator action or something along those lines.. but I'm clearly doing the opposite of that.
If someone asks you for directions to the mall, and you start giving them directions to the library, do you get offended when they stop you half way and say "Actually, I was asking for directions to the mall...".
If you ask me "Why do you want a 200,000,000 dollar mansion?" then I can tell you why I want it, despite the fact that it's quite unlikely that I'll ever get it. If I'm in the desert dying of thirst, with no water for miles around, and you ask me "Why do you want water quickly?", I can still answer that question despite the fact that it's quite unlikely I'll get water quickly.
Whether people can get it fast or not is irreleveant, especially since it currently drops from RNG, since this means that people don't even know if they will or will not get it quickly; some people will in fact get it very quickly (you hear about that guy who got 2 tokens from his first 2 runs? sounds fast to me), so the possibility is there, side by side with the possibility of not getting anything for several weeks. Peoples' answers to the question "Why do you want it quickly?" will not change based on how quickly they can actually get it, because the reason they want it quickly will not change, and because their answer can't change based on knowledge they don't have (nobody knows how fast they can/will get the gear, because it's random).
Date of your query in post #75: 03-02-2014, 03:11 AM
Date I defined "fast" in post #32: 02-28-2014, 03:13 PM
That was kind of fun
That is unfortunate that they finally come out with some new stuff to do and it turns out to be something you don't enjoy. However, I do feel compelled to point out that you don't actually have to do the rampages if you don't enjoy them, you could just be doing all that other stuff you do enjoy instead. That's what I'm doing... only doing the rampages when it's actually fun, and then doing other stuff the rest of the time... fun first! stats second.
People who crunch numbers will quickly point out that J-Gear doesn't make too much of a difference, but the fact that you believe that it will coupled with the fact that (again, unfortunately) you don't enjoy the rampages does give a clear reason for why you want to get it as quickly as possible, and why in your case "just don't do them" isn't an option. I just hope that when you get the gear and find out how minimal the increase is you won't be too hard on Cryptic for dangling that carrot in front of you >.>
For my own personal curiousity, is there any specific content you play that you find challenging? I'm always looking to rediscover the trickier bits of CO
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If it didn't take anywhere between 2 and 20 minutes to do a rampage then they would not have to make the drop rates so low and the diminishing returns curve so steep.
Imagine something like Therakiel's Temple but with 2x the mobs (and or damage, hp, etc) but running it with 10 people instead of 5. WOULD BE SO SWEET!
To answer the OP, I want Justice Gear fast because I don't feel that my characters are complete without having the best of everything and I'm too impatient to wait around.
Having said that, I still wish it took more effort to get the gear because I'm afraid that once everyone gets it we'll be back to having nothing to do.
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But if I did want it fast it would come down to simply being a matter of shiny.
I like shiny things. And I like/want them now. Not later. Not eventually. Now.
You know, if I actually wanted it.
One thing I have learned is that if you want the new shiny, get it while the crowd does too. For example, the only rampage I've gotten 2 tokens from was sky command, and because of the fix to drop rates, if I'd have waited I almost certainly would only have one or none.
And many other times, what is fast and easy to find a group for right away, becomes very hard just a month or two later.
Last, I'm currently working on revamping my character anyway, so now's a good time to get the gear and toss it "in the pot" with the rest of the changes.
Those who are better with numbers than me, and who have helped with several of my character builds have informed me that Justice works best in two circumstances: those who are going for very high defense/offense as opposed to other stats (Dodge, crit, one very high stat, etc) and those who are looking for a well-rounded character without any single attribute pumped very high. Both apply to Razor Bunny's build.
Now, they might be wrong, and if they are I'll still have my legion gear to fall back on (though I do need to tweak the mods either way). But so far, seems like a fit for my goals.
The only thing I'm hard on them for is how most of their "challenges" are just "let's make a bigger sack of hit points", and how their new stuff is all too easy for well-tuned Freeforms and too hard for pugs/ATs. Those are just math issues. The actual content side is nice. However, those math issues are what spoil fire and ice for me and make it no fun.
I've mentioned it (not to you specifically) before in a few posts, but my favorite "mission" in any of cryptic's three games is Mine Trap from STO. I would LOVE to convince the Cryptic North people to make a direct, unchanged clone of that which worked using CO's mechanics and just slightly edited to account for CO's setting and graphics.
In short, there's no boss at all. It is team content where you must accomplish actions in four different locations at once, so you have to split up. You are not killing or defeating as your primary goal, you're saving people. Rewards are based on how many people you save (122 is the theoretical max but you get top rewards on anything over 100) not how many enemies you defeat. Each single group (it's 4 groups of 5 people) can only save 30 people total, so no one can carry the whole, you need cooperation and coordination. The trinity is meaningless, you can "win" with all damage or all control/support. Finally, it has excellent rewards for the time required.
What I find tricky, is not necessarily a good guide. Most other people describe the bits I have a hard time with as "faceroll easy".
For example, I have never yet beaten the Menton mission in the desert with a level appropriate or even level +5 character. Menton is a wuss. The illusion of Kodiak he summons can drop me through a rank 2 block in 2 hits at normal difficulty. I have not yet managed to make a character who can drop him before he gets off the second punch.
Similarly, I have managed to solo megaterak only once and I've never beaten the end boss in serpent lantern solo, nor demon flame.
Those are my personal goals.
I agree, numbers based content sucks. Would like to see more action-oriented content myself. The saving people mission is something I've wished for more of as well; not just that specific mission, but just more objectives in general that can't just be ez-moded by picking powers X, Y and Z with primary super stat A.
If you already have Legion Gear, you'll be seeing even less of an improvement with J-Gear, so if you don't get it before the crowd moves on (if that actually happens), don't stress about it.
And yeah, generally when people tell me about content they find challenging it boils down to "It's challenging because my numbers aren't big enough"... which is bleh.
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More effort?
Yes.
Rarer random luck odds?
F*** no!
If Therakiel gave you a guaranteed chance to get any of the 4 rampage tokens of your choosing when you went to cash the fully completed Apocalypse Aversion mission in to Caliburn at Dr. Ka's place; hell I'd be lining up at the church every day. So would a bunch of other people.
And lets not forget really long campaigns like Aftershock, which frankly I find very fun on Elite with a full team of 5, but it's nearly impossible to find people to do that nowadays, especially since we're all grinding for the slim chance we'll be lucky enough to get a drop.
As it is, today with the nerf to the drops for Sky Command I got a big far ZERO Destreum Ballbearings. That's BS, I'm sorry.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
Unfortunately, their stance on the RNG thing seems pretty firm. So just be like your hero SpinnyTop and just completely stop caring about when/if you get J-gear. Just let it be a thing you happen to get if you happen to end up wanting to do rampages enough times.
I think, in a strange sort of way, that that is their intent. They didn't want us to look at it as "Okay, now I HAVE TO do these bits of content X number of times to get this stuff"... they wanted us to say "Hmmm... if I choose to do these bits of content, I might get a thing or I might not... so whatever, I'll just do it if it's fun since there's no point forcing myself to grind it since I might end up getting nothing".
Kind of like trying to motivate us to be casual about it. I know some people who were going to be super hardcore grind about it at first, but when the odds didn't fall in their favor they suddenly decided to be a lot more casual about it... and maybe that's not a bad thing.
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