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revamps what would you like to see done next.

I would love to see celestial or Gadgeteer done next, as celestial could use love really bad. Gadgeteer i would love to see a pet option like war beast added to the list maybe somewhere. Really all of the summon creatures from a device would be cool too add to the various summon things powers. .
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  • thewinxfairythewinxfairy Posts: 70 Arc User
    Ditto on celestial, wish there’s a more dps route
  • jojenmaihemjojenmaihem Posts: 161 Arc User
    Following the road I can say they going to rework first all the Martial Arts powersets, that's mean Dual Blades or Claws is next.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    Following the road I can say they going to rework first all the Martial Arts powersets, that's mean Dual Blades or Claws is next.

    They're not. Devs have said they're not doing all MAs at once. They might change their mind, but that's what they've said.


    I'd like to see Force next.
  • soundsriskysoundsrisky Posts: 59 Arc User
    As far as Gadgeteering is concerned I'd like to see more laser pistol powers, including an energy builder.
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  • lezard21lezard21 Posts: 1,510 Arc User
    We need more ranged sets revamp \o/
    Revamp Ice into finally having the proper non buggy synergy it was meant to have with Fire.​​
  • lezard21lezard21 Posts: 1,510 Arc User
    Or even better, revamp Wind, the lackluster Earth powerset of the Ranged DPS :3​​
  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    It's like painting the Golden Gate bridge. Once they are done with all the sets once (after 5 years?) they will need to start with the first powers they did to bring them back up to snuff with the last ones they did. It is never ending.
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Celestial: So it can get Offensive options and Powers (Sorcery, Infernal and Fire got both Support+DPS options now)
    Archery: So it can get BUFFED and have single target DPS options
    Earth: So it can get BUFFED and stop being so underwelming
    Force: So it can get Energy Unlock, more powers options and fixing powers in order to be able to create a Force build without having to use EUs and Debuffs from other powerframes
    Gadgets: Because they are a mess and all over the place, this may cause it to take longer for this powerframe to get revisited​​
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    jaazaniah1 wrote: »
    It's like painting the Golden Gate bridge. Once they are done with all the sets once (after 5 years?) they will need to start with the first powers they did to bring them back up to snuff with the last ones they did. It is never ending.

    Not necessarily since they're being pretty careful to make each set adhere to a planned baseline. Testing shows that they've been pretty consistent. The first revamps and the latest revamps are pretty much even, so there won't be some neverending cycle of revamps. There will be one round of revamps, and then after that they'll add powers here and there as they think of them.
  • revanantmoriturirevanantmorituri Posts: 391 Arc User
    Force, Wind, Celestial
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  • warcanchwarcanch Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    I'll quibble a bit over "first revamps and latest revamps are pretty much even". Some few things didn't adhere or didn't make it in, that make them even. Mostly minor things, but still some items that really ought to be in the older revamps.

    Most of you have touched on the really needy sets. Just to add to that, I'd like to see some:
    Sonic single-target, sonic maintain, sonic close aoe
    Interrupts or stuns that aren't chargeups, in more sets
    (just made a darkness tank and would like a faster stun/interrupt in-set)​​
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  • violetnychusvioletnychus Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    I would like to see mini revamps of 'subsets.'

    Expand on the sonic powers - in a way they can be mixed with electricity, storm, gadgets, and might, since each has some synergy.

    Expand boomerangs a little.

    Add electric and gadget heals. And probably review heals in general to be more cosmic appropriate and aoe-focused. Iniquity has the only wide AOE cone heal.

    A summon improvement to be viable for endgame - like invincibility or incredibly high resistance to cosmic schticks and less dangerous to control because:

    A general improvement and standardization of control. With manipulator able to stack better and removal of the 'attacks remove mez' system which is really unnecessary.
  • warcanchwarcanch Posts: 1,130 Arc User
    Not specifically a set or subset, but the Ultimates sure need a proper pass on them.​​
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,198 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Everything!
    Force, Wind, Earth, Gadgeteering, Celestial, Telepathy, Archery, need it mainly, Might to.
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  • shadowolf505shadowolf505 Posts: 697 Arc User
    Might and Force for me :) Can't wait to make my Tank into a Might/Force user for the fun :D​​
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  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    I'm hoping for a sweet archery revamp.

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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    I just want everything to get revamped equally because I have at least 1 character that represent each powerframes, and revamps showed me which powerframes are underperforming (Archery, Force, Gadgets, DPS Celestial, Earth)

    but having to wait 3 months for each revamp is killing me
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,198 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    @avianos I'm sure everyone can relate.
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    I take this quote from a review that I agree with.

    "customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    "It is bad when they rush things out."
    o3o
    "They are doing it too slowly."
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    spinnytop wrote: »
    "It is bad when they rush things out."
    o3o
    "They are doing it too slowly."
    【I'm Dying Squirtle】

    I don't think anyone complained about Powerframe Revamps being made too fast, only about Bugs​​
    POWERFRAME REVAMPS, NEW POWERS and BUG FIXES > Recycled Content and Events and even costumes at this point Introvert guy who use CO to make his characters playable and get experimental with Viable FF Theme builds! Running out of Unique FF builds due to the lack of updates and synergies! Playing since 1 February 2011 128 + Characters (21 ATs, 107 FFs) ALTitis for Life!
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    avianos wrote: »
    spinnytop wrote: »
    "It is bad when they rush things out."
    o3o
    "They are doing it too slowly."
    【I'm Dying Squirtle】

    I don't think anyone complained about Powerframe Revamps being made too fast, only about Bugs

    I've seen people complaining that the Fire revamp was rushed within the past week. Seen similar comments about the other frameworks. You underestimated the ability of people to complain.​​
  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    spinnytop wrote: »
    I've seen people complaining that the Fire revamp was rushed within the past week. Seen similar comments about the other frameworks. You underestimated the ability of people to complain.

    Well yeah, let's address the Elephant in the room, the fire revamp was INDEED RUSHED and the bugs related to Revamped Fire powers, old and new, are STILL here unfixed, so that one deserves to be called out, so no reason to Sugarcoat the issue (and we got a pathetic Fire Ultimate which underperforms) and I have no idea why the Debuffs havent fixed/buffed them yet

    But this was 6-7 months ago, and I will confess the revamp was so underwelming that made me take 3 months break from CO to Marathon KH series

    and now compare FIRE with the recent Unarmed and Single Blade, almost no bugs

    I DO NOT WISH TO EXPIRE SQUIRTLE​​
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  • pwestolemynamepwestolemyname Posts: 978 Arc User
    Earth and Force next.

    But, honestly, rather than more revamps right now, I'd like to see new content and zones, and more new powers.
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  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    Something in the brick framework. Might or Earth. Earth seriously needs to get looked at. At this point, some people even forgot that powerset exists.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    avianos wrote: »
    Well yeah, let's address the Elephant in the room, the fire revamp was INDEED RUSHED
    avianos wrote: »
    I don't think anyone complained about Powerframe Revamps being made too fast

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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,198 Arc User
    xcaligax wrote: »
    Earth seriously needs to get looked at. At this point, some people even forgot that powerset exists.

    Makes Gaia sad faced, It's disheartening when people don't recognize certain powers for whatever their reasons, performance most likely, I've had a few players ask me over the years (As Grim for example) about certain pet powers he is using for support (From the Frameworks NOT Devices), and that's not reassuring they don't recognize it cause it's not common but that's conformity for you.
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    I take this quote from a review that I agree with.

    "customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    spinnytop wrote: »
    avianos wrote: »
    Well yeah, let's address the Elephant in the room, the fire revamp was INDEED RUSHED
    avianos wrote: »
    I don't think anyone complained about Powerframe Revamps being made too fast
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    Complaining and criticizing about UNSOLVED BUGS and Glitches is completely different than complaining about Powerframes getting revamped too fast

    Did I complained about powerframes getting revamped too fast? No! I complained about the bugs not been fixed (since Christmas I may add)
    If they FIXED the bugs over 6+ months now I wouldn't complain, I was expecting those things to get resolved withing 2-3 weeks but it never happened, Fire is the exception to the rule and not the Norm, I'm not going to pretend its OK

    Learn the difference Loli, This is getting exhausting
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    avianos wrote: »
    Learn the difference Loli, This is getting exhausting

    Okay, they were rushed slowly.
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    All I got from this conversation is that I want FORCE to get Revamped and ICE to get properly revisited because SQUIRTLE let me die on FIRE
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    spinnytop wrote: »
    Okay, they were rushed slowly.
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    Also that Yandere Simulator will never get completed, was the choice of reaction image combined with the comment, intentional?
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    avianos wrote: »
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    Cats are cool. I prefer Bird People.
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  • zamuelpwezamuelpwe Posts: 668 Arc User
    Force, Wind, Earth, Celestial, Telepathy, Summons/Pets, and the original Ultimates are what I would most like see get a pass next. Some of these seem easier or exponentially harder than others.
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  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,537 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    I agree with the OP: Gadeteering and Celestial, definitely. Wind, Force, and Earth are pretty potato and could use love as well. Ice to a lesser degree, because it's at least serviceable.

    Some things about Celestial in particular, because it needs to figure itself out:
    • Its dual healing/damage theme seems cool, but in terms of balance, I suspect it's holding the set's damage potential back. You shouldn't have both strong damage and ally healing from a single power.
    • Illumination (the player buff) is relatively meaningless and needs to just go away forever. Replacing every instance of "applies Illumination to the target ally/allies" with "applies Light Everlasting to the target ally/allies" would accomplish a few really important things:
      1. 3% bonus healing is a relatively useless effect whereas Light Everlasting is genuinely useful, and
      2. It's less ambiguous with Illumination (the power) and Illuminated (the debuff).
    • Powers like Celestial Conduit should decide whether they want to either be single target or aoe without relying on a debuff. Requiring buffs/debuffs for a power to function properly is cruddy in general, and Celestial has several of these besides Celestial Conduit. Holy Water says hi.
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  • gentlegiantvexxgentlegiantvexx Posts: 327 Community Moderator
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.​​
  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.
    Ah yes, my favourite Powerframe... Lairs​​
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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    Archery should have a 0 point advantage that allows giant growth. In fact all power sets should have this as a 0 point advantage.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.

    But you don't even run TA, and you haven't in like 2 years o3o​​
  • xcelsior41xcelsior41 Posts: 1,056 Arc User
    spinnytop wrote: »
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.

    But you don't even run TA, and you haven't in like 2 years o3o​​

    He probably got bored. Not constantly running something doesnt mean you cant want something new around the same topic.
    Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.

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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    spinnytop wrote: »
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.

    But you don't even run TA, and you haven't in like 2 years o3o

    He probably got bored. Not constantly running something doesnt mean you cant want something new around the same topic.

    It's just weird to me that after all the grumbling about never running TA again now he wants another lair that he can binge for a month and then be sick of forever.​​
  • xcelsior41xcelsior41 Posts: 1,056 Arc User
    spinnytop wrote: »
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    spinnytop wrote: »
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.

    But you don't even run TA, and you haven't in like 2 years o3o

    He probably got bored. Not constantly running something doesnt mean you cant want something new around the same topic.

    It's just weird to me that after all the grumbling about never running TA again now he wants another lair that he can binge for a month and then be sick of forever.​​
    I don't think he's sick of it forever, per se. Normally, unless this is the only game you ever play, you can get bored of things and then proclaim hyperbolic statements like, "I'll never do [blank] ever again" then be back at it in ~a year at the latest. Maybe that's the case from vexx. Having variety is good, and will help with burnout reduction really.
    Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.

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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    What variety is there in AFKing in rencen every day u3u maybe variety of girls crawling around in your fur.​​
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    Force (defensive), Celestial (offensive), Gadgeteering Split, then a pause in the set revisions and some more Forms, self-heals, holds, stuns and summoning powers. The problem I have with the set revisions so far is that they're ending up quite same-y. I'm not hugely frustrated with the sets we have, I'm just running out of inspiration for interesting play styles and a bit more variation and new combinations would be more fun than revisions.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,916 Arc User
    LAIRS.
    NOTHING BUT LAIRS.​​
    I have to say that I often wonder how many players in the game actually recognize:
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    One is a lair(not an endgame one), one is an adventure pack, and one is a crisis episode. I personally suspect most players won't recognize them all.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    Middle one took me a bit to figure out.
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    Resistance finale, Necrull / Death's Door.... is that the Andrith one?

    I will admit that I have never played the Andrith, Mandragalore or Therakiel finales, and probably never will. Everything else, though.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,916 Arc User
    Resistance finale, Necrull / Death's Door.... is that the Andrith one?

    I will admit that I have never played the Andrith, Mandragalore or Therakiel finales, and probably never will. Everything else, though.
    Resistance, it's just a random shot of the sky, I made it as soon as I got to Multifaria.
    Canada Crisis! This is the tomb of Kigatilik where he had been sealed away until some supervillain decided to release him.
    THIS is Necrull's lair.... but that's obvious if you read the text boxes. WHERE is Necrull's lair?
    NE Canada in the spooky ghost infested area.
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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    Pretty obvious that any sort of re-vamp means work on the New Shadows ;)
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  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    THIS is Necrull's lair.... but that's obvious if you read the text boxes. WHERE is Necrull's lair?

    It's in Burial Butte, in Canada.

    I've never zoomed out of the Kigatilik bit from Canadian Crisis. Always thought it looked more impressive than the fight!
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