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Being an Onslaught villain doesn't give you the right to ruin the game for others.
guyhumual
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So I was having fun playing the holiday event, fighting Clarence to be precise, when I start taking massive damage for apparently no reason. Turns out a player, who shall remain nameless at the moment (I do have his player name and @ handle written down) had wondered into the fight and started attacking players. At first I thought maybe it was a mistake and he was trying to use the villain to attack Clarence, but no, he was actively targeting players, killing me multiple times even though I tried to avoid him and he'd have gotten no points for killing me over and over again. There's no reason for this except to ruin the game for others. I have no problems with this if people want to opt into the Overwatch system. But using a chaotic event like this to trick people into opting in is low and despicable.
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So we had the ones fighting near Kodiak, where people are trying to missions, even after the location was changed and now the ones getting in the Clarence fight where a lot of people are trying to attack, in the hope some do AOE attacks and hit them. They an then use their attacks and get free tokens from people who are fighting something else. This includes hanging around at the reward spot afterwards , waiting for anyone to try and claim it.
Instead of this, they should make it a toggle, to turn on fighting OV, so people have to choose and can't forced. Yes people will complain about not being able to get their first free shot in but the OV won't be able to target anyone not willingly taking part.
Healing a person fighting the OV, should also auto toggle you. You're taking part, you take your chances.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
How about: Player needs to toggle a switch to participate in OV. Player cannot toggle this off if they have the Onslaught buff that we have now (so players can't just drop out to deny points).
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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because that's what those people are Griefers and Scambag PvPers)
The Takofanes spawn point was armed with turrets and it was effective!
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
Hes also broadcasting in the Clarence hunting channels that the devs wont touch him because hes just using the OV as intended and is taunting players ,
I'm interested in hearing the responses to this , no you cant just kill them , because some of the combatants are low level or even new players trying to have fun with their first Christmas event , no you can't not use Aoe some players main attacks are AoE its all they have if they wish to participate
This is an attempt for a reasonable discussion to see if we can make this work as intended , I myself enjoy the OV part of the game , but not when it is forced on me by players who seen to have no form of social conscience
perhaps some sort of OV whitelist toggle with a cooldown to prevent abuse
People still spawn camp , and know all the right spots to avoid the turrets , I know the system will always have its abusers
lets see if we can sort this so everyone can enjoy it
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
As an OV player myself, I take it to be more obscene that there's an air of entitlement to guardian tokens, and that OVs must run on their swords and give out free guardian tokens to people lounging in Ren Center. I think this activity should be discouraged by the devs as soon as they can figure out how.
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http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/championsonline/#/discussion/1203796/onslaught-whitelisting
Certain players are using OV devices to get easy kills during the Clarence battles, taking out the more fragile characters in a single hit since they are focused on the big ol' bear and don't have warning to block. This is minority behaviour, only 4 or 5 players are exploiting the game mechanics in this manner but that unfortunately means that there is an OV at nearly every Clarence battle.
A whitelist flag for OV engagements would be the best way of dealing with unwanted fights, but in the meantime a few Hermes turrets spaced around the BH spawn area ( and not right up against one side of the presents so their field of fire is useless) would seem to be the simplest solution and the one most suggested in game chat.
He's not using OV as intended obviously, the idea is that people could opt into the system by knowingly attacking an OV, but if they're using the chaos of global villain to take away people's consent then he's knowingly violating the intent of the system . . . and if he's also taunting people in chat he clearly knows he's in the wrong and is trying to whip people up into a fervor.
Personally I don't have anything against the OV system. I don't use it, but I got nothing against it, but if this is allowed to continue, and open world missions can be spoiled by sociopaths then I start to have a problem. Don't take the system down but something needs to be done to tweak the system.
Letting people kill your OV is cheap perhaps, but it's not spoiling the game for others.
Because people discourage one another from filing tickets. I've only run into this variety of griefing once so far, and while I was down I made sure to get the player's @name and file a ticket on him/her. To be sure, all I'll ever see is the canned response, because they'd be on shaky legal ground if they broadcast punishments, but I have seen other player-behavior tickets taking effect (it's always amusing to see someone log in as Badname81233 and complain about losing their costume), so I know that someone at some level actually takes notice of the reports.
You spot the dude griefing? File a ticket. GM Assistance -> Behavior, file it as Griefing, give the @name and describe the incident.
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The amount of complaining from OVs and the Winter event is insane, a lot of people don't realize something will obviously be done about it either and continue to keep whining.
Honestly, I think the GMs aren't doing anything about this because the devs told them not to. Something along the lines of "Players are being too whiny about fighting OVs and it's ruining the fun for OV players.... so this is where the OV players get to get some fun back
Holiday events are now basically just salmon traps for OV players to feast on.
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Probably because there aren't any Champions GM's or the number is so small there would be a huge delay between a report and consequences. So any action taken would probably be long after this event is over...though I would love to be proven wrong.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
...or as suggested it should be possible to create an anti-OV circle around Clarence or other event-related enemies so that the OVs deal zero damage while in it, the same way how players not involved in a duel aren't able to interfere.
Game, set, match. All taken care of.
Or we could have Clarence's PBAOE do 100% health damage to OVs. That would make a decent bandaid.
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Nagus, I've seen enough people complaining over the last couple of months about being genericed to make me understand that the GM (I think there's only one) is indeed out there - but you have to report the behavior before it can be responded to. One man can't be everywhere.
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So yeah, put me down as a vote for either some form of whitelist to avoid being accidentally flagged for OV pvp or set up the areas around Clarence that nullify OV devices. The only people who would be hurt or upset by that are griefers and, frankly, they are the ones bring it on themselves.
The rules of playing an Onslaught explicitly involve attacking flagged players. Since they have made no effort to change the fact that a player's aoe will flag them to an onslaught villain at any point in time, that means that it is intended that OVs can get players flagged by moving near them while they are aoeing. This is how the game is built, and has remained. I think it would be unjust for any GM to take action against a player for playing the game in the intended manner.
If Cryptic wants to take a stance on this behavior being inappropriate, then they shouldn't have that be expressed through GM actions, as that would be an inherently deceptive way to go about it. Instead, if they decide to do so, it should be done via disabling the ability of any aoe power to flag a player to an OV. You can't just tell people "Do this, these are the rules of the game" and then punish them for following the rules you have set forth.
It'd be like if they added Clarence to BASH, and then GMs started taking action against any pvper who attacked people who were trying to fight Clarence. Millenium City is currently a PvP zone, meaning that if you are in millenium city you need to be aware of the presence of OVs and make sure you don't strike them. You can't just enter a PvP zone and then complain when pvp happens because you didn't observe the game mechanics that are in place.
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This goes beyond that. If there's obvious intent on the OV players part to harass players engaged with Clarence with intent to interrupt the fight, it is griefing, plain and simple. Anyone who doesn't choose to be a straight-up jerkface and who is able to understand doing such a thing is something inconsiderate already knows it. If the players are currently focused on bringing Clarence down, why in this situation would they want to engage an OV fight at the same time? It's exploitation of a game design flaw pure and simple. Anyone who's called out for doing that and wants to be deliberately obtuse while using the "technically the game allows for it" excuse doesn't justify the behavior.
I don't expect any GM action against such individuals since "technically" they're using the game mechanics as presented to them and since the necessary safeguards against such behavior aren't currently in place. What I'd hope to see is those safeguards being implemented.
JonTron GIFs are against the rules, ok then
If it contains a word that doesn't pass the profanity filter, yes, they are absolutely against the rules. This should be obvious. -Smackwell.
Your argument, as is the argument of others, boils down to "they shouldn't have been in the way of me swinging my fists." Sorry but your right to swing your fists ends at my nose and I would call into question the motivations of anyone who argues otherwise.