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Attack of the AOPM clones!!
lovehammer1
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I mean really, what the heck is going on? Watching duels or playing in Alerts, i see no original toons what-so-ever! All i see is AOPM with geyser insert random long range heavy hitter(Ebon ruin, Cascade, Defile, etc) What's wrong with making a concept toon? Is it not cool enough to try and win or compete with something that the other lemmings don't/won't use?
I don't get it. To top it off, these clones act as if they're god's gift to PVP !
As if i would ever be proud of using a carbon copy of the next guy, who is just a carbon copy
of the last guy, who's just a....you get the point.
PvP was a lot more fun to watch and play a year ago imo. Just a lot more variety in builds.
And no, i dont get owned or cry when i pvp against the many AOPM drones.
But, since the patch pretty much ruined my Brick toon, i have been watching a lot more.
And AOPM is the 1# passive i see out there. And that's a fact jack. Now, i'm not the one to throw the nerf bat around lightly, but...either do something about Geysers 100ft travel remover or scale back a bit on the numbers you can get with AOPM. Maybe a cool down on Geyser at the very least. Bring back some strategy and skill to slowing down the other guy instead of an auto-remover from a far with no penalty.
I don't get it. To top it off, these clones act as if they're god's gift to PVP !
As if i would ever be proud of using a carbon copy of the next guy, who is just a carbon copy
of the last guy, who's just a....you get the point.
PvP was a lot more fun to watch and play a year ago imo. Just a lot more variety in builds.
And no, i dont get owned or cry when i pvp against the many AOPM drones.
But, since the patch pretty much ruined my Brick toon, i have been watching a lot more.
And AOPM is the 1# passive i see out there. And that's a fact jack. Now, i'm not the one to throw the nerf bat around lightly, but...either do something about Geysers 100ft travel remover or scale back a bit on the numbers you can get with AOPM. Maybe a cool down on Geyser at the very least. Bring back some strategy and skill to slowing down the other guy instead of an auto-remover from a far with no penalty.
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The PvP metagame was always about making sure your enemy wasn't able to react, hence why Force Geyser is popular and everyone used Binding of Aratron and Ego Storm before On Alert. Now that a one-shot is a simple Imbue 'n charge away (and a quick push of Ascension to get to a safe distance if you're fighting a melee user), rendering people trapped and helpless with a simple button press is pretty much required unless they do the same to you.
... and if you manage to survive the one-shot, AOPM buffs their Presence enough that they can heal and bubble themselves to max immediately.
Be careful, because asking for FG to be nerfed will likely send the PvE-only crowd raging and frothing at the mouth for nerfing something for the sake of PvP.
Anyway, i have little respect for clones. Nothing like a pvp battle against a build that's your own! Nothing. IMO that is. That won't stop the drones who must win at all cost i know, but hey, one can dream for a Geyser-less- Aopm-less world for a day.
The idea is always interesting and gives openings, but it will always be superior to every other passive for obvious reasons: All Stats.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
power setup. It seems if you want to compete, you simply copy and paste the AOPM standard.
And people seem ok with this? I don't get it. The only things that change are the names and costumes i see. Other than that, i would say...75% in pvp are using AOPM clone builds.
Sigh...I will never conform. I love being the "Other" 25%. lol
Lemmings are fun to watch.
mrf0rz1. I understand what you're saying and i know why people use it.
I just don't understand why people can't seem to make their own builds with it.
AOPM. Geyser. Smoke bomb. Long range heavy hitter. Clone.
Is it that hard to make a build without those powers? I guess so.
to buy nothing and get nowhere.
Actually I agree with some of wut you say I lost a PvP duel and the loser had to sad panda the next nerf herder post they seen.
The irony is the winner had AoPM , Force Geyser and Force Cascade
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Proof, I had some fun during an RP event with a minor PvP team-duel aspect simply playing a Soldier. There wasn't a single Ebon Ruin or Force Cascade or Ascension to be seen!
>_> some of us roleplay, pvp and pve , dont go segregating the team I will be honestly blunt I am sick of dark grims in the club stating they could "Take me" even though I am a level 40 FF and they are a level 6 Radiant , you RP with Death Heal then get back to meh
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I have no idea what you are talking about. Something about being destroyed in bash?
Ohhh..wait...you were trying to say you use AOPM and don't like what i'm saying?
Ohhh..ok. Or were you trying to be the first to be a #$^?
Either way, it's your time. Waste it how ever you like. Back on topic.
Cool story nepht. Irony can be funny indeed.
Sounds like fun.
I smell a roleplayer get him....
*notices her own Primus pages and silently skulks away....*
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
You definitely saw far more variety in pre-alert, but part of that was there was incentive, and plenty of folks that would not normally pvp'd would for the sake of rewards.
I built my aopm from scratch, but its not very different from others in the sheer fact people come to the same conclusions. No passive has the same impact aopm does for either pve or pvp, so it shouldn't be surprising that its become common.
I still pvp on occasion with concept toons, but they retain a lot of lessons learned from all my pve/pvp experience. But really, seeing a ton of AOPM isn't too different than seeing a ton of dodge/invuls from pre-alert. People just adapt to the changes and what is found effective.
AT pvp was always far more fun for me, but it hardly ever pops.
I dont actually think he was trying to be mean...
Anyway, the only toon of mine to PvP is my behemoth and...wait for it...my Mind AT.
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I think simple scale down nurf won't solve this problem but need radical reform.
BTW, I tested AoAC for while and found no merit of use.
Similar thing are already said here.
# 1 How to Make Aura of Arcane Clarity Matter (including massive AoPM
If INT REC END bonus all go to AoAC and
Primary&Secondary SS go to AoPM, I think we can expect drastic change.
What's hard to understand? It's just the flavor of the month. PvP in this game has always been like that...
Hmm, although fewer of the people who DO use mixed builds are around these days, and even fewer of the people who show good sportsmanship.
Yeah well most of them are kids who emulate the arrogance displayed by others in an effort to seem tougher -- sadly missing the point that they'd be respected more if they were kicking a** with a non-flavor-of-the-month clone build.
As for me, I tend to PvP with my sniper character (forz and Kentucky Fried have raged at me though because they can't stand her hide&snipe stuff) and a heavy weapons tank guy, (Thorkas). Neither are AoPM
But Aidan Thorkas sucks now thanks to the nerfs to Enrage, thanks to PvPers like the ones you mention overdoing and and the Enrage (and AoPM some too) get brutalized overly with the nerfs... Gee thanks...
I would agree, but there are many reasons why.
Exactly the stupid logic I was afraid of... "X is OP, nerf X." What is needed are options, not more nerfing to make stuff suck! Cryptic doesn't fine tune ****, they ruin it. (i.e.: holds)
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
See, you're being hostile and don't even know who you're addressing.
I don't think Brou ever used an AoPM and I pretty much don't see him in the HG anymore, not that I blame him or anyone else.
But if you are complaining about lack of originality - what about all the ATs that have just a few power choices but are otherwise locked into the same powers, does that suddenly make them "unoriginal"...
I waited a long while to make my first AoPM when the initial wave of AoPM/Imbue/Cascaders hit. But as I knew it be what I'd be fighting, I needed to experience it first hand to see its benefits and weaknesses. And after getting some extensive experience with it, I understand why it's become the standard in the current system.
Oh yeah, and this isn't new btw. We've had this AoPM & Force Cascade cycle before just last year, at about this time of the year too. Hold on I'll get an old YouTube video to prove it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScxbwXZMItw
Aww @ my main, she's just a little level 20 something here, and back before going lifetime too (Grimoire, as you can see). AoPM wasn't nerfed back then, and the only way to make imbue go insane like he did was with CON. Lots and lots of CON. Actually I wonder how many of you PvP fans here remember XMTSX, he used to PvP and test out powers a lot. :-)
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
Long day ago, we had a time we could spam full charge Force Cascade with Regeneration slotted.
Many things changed from those days. xD
When i started with CO the main nerfcries were targeted on Laserknight, Uppercut and Teleport :cool:
Powers change .. but there will always be another FotM build replacing the old one a few days later
That's the Cryptic way to sell Full Retcon Token. xD
Brou as we all know uses might a powerset that has recently been nerfed but he sticks to it because its his CONCEPT <
you reading that OP ...I will say this in bold text ITS A CONCEPT TOON THAT USES A BROKEN POWERSET . Hardly a PvP build of the month but I must admit all Brou needs is one punch and he can send you flying out of the dueling ring.
You get that even with a concept toon Brou can beat a PvP toon like my Nepht (and no I dont use AoPM I use Invul/dodge).
Brou is one of the nicest people you will ever meet in Champions.......
....unless your a PVPer then the Brou will mock ur **** in a somewhat lovable way
examples :
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=155731
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=153961
The OP obviously doesn't know that AoPM was recently nerfed , doesn't know half the people he's talking to, Brou is a freaking CO legend and knows more about this game than most. The OP OBVIOUSLY doesn't know the current build of the month theres a new one I know I've been ganked by it enough
I will say this I reckon Shev knows more about PvP than the OP.
*edit*
Did I tell you how much I love know it all (but dont really) noobs -.-
I am done talking to this fool.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
HA! Smoochan summed this whole thread up in one sentence.
Kudos Smoo..kudos.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Hehe .. now wait for a thread about how overpowerd Dragons Wrath is :biggrin:
I created the (Version) of nearly unkillable Ebon ruin builds you now see so much of in order to fight against the Defile builds that used an abundant amount of stealtjh mechanics. I released the build to the officers in Altered Egos. In return Dark Crusade built the Cascade builds you now see, to counter the Ebon ruin builds, (Main mechanic is exploiting imbued heals). Pretty much where ever these two SG's will go, so will the rest of PVP but there is always a counter, it just takes a new OP build to be created to spark the cycle again.
I'm waiting for the patch to release a new melee build that will equalize both.
-Xeno
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. :redface:
I've got a perma-Ascension build I am trying to perfect on my 2.0 toon that should counter any melee you can think of
K
Right takes some bawls to say sorry like that. Well met.
My party bomb on sight Super group fatwa on you has been receded.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
If you're not laughing you should have never queued.
Why don't you play BASH with the big boys, then maybe talk. PvEers that cry about PvP are the real joke.
Man of Light had a cascade build guide since I think before I even started in CO, so I wouldn't necessarily give them credit.
I fought ebon ruin tanks pre-alert as well, not much different than the aopm version since the aopm version functions the same way but just relies on md instead of a def passive, something not plausible before post alert gear.
Really, I have yet to see anything new, just variations of older builds "improved" with the new possibilities that arose out of alerts, well aside from UR variants, since that was impractical pre-alert.
Yeah .. time for a new old Uppercut :biggrin:
Um yea sure and AoPM achieves that those things all on its own its nothing to do with the other powers taken?
I could almost (and that's a big almost) agree with the DPS and heal but for tanking AoPM is a poor choice unless your going to build with it in mind and back up the large HP pool it can give you with plenty of other defences.
Hm .. Juggernaut scales on CON .. also Defiance .. so take AoPM and Defiance and ...
oh .. wait :biggrin:
Yepp .. your defiance stacks go through the roof because of you enhanced CON from AoPM
PvP kicks that right out the door. If you aren't building to compete, you're going to be at a disadvantage. While some non-competitive builds still work decently due to having the tools they need, they're still going to encounter difficulty when facing a character which is min/maxed. It's like the powerhouse Olympics. If you don't build yourself in such a way as to be able to counter the next PvPer you come across, you're opening yourself up for failure, and there is no second place in CO PvP. There's the winner(s) and the losers.
People copy builds because it allows them to skip the mathematics of coming up with a powerful build. The extreme number crunchers come out with new builds and the people who are too lazy to number crunch copy them knowing they're going to work. Once a strong counter build is discovered for that build it will taper off while all the copycats of PvP run off to try the new build. It's an aspect of PvP, and complaining about it isn't going to change anything. The only thing that can be done is to number crunch a build and never, ever, ever tell anyone how it works. This will force the lazy PvPers to actually think for a change.
I stopped taking PvP seriously a long time ago.
PvP is not a joke. . if you're a dedicated PvPer.
PvP is hilarious if you're a dedicated PvEer.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnn1Xd-5ifk
At 1.04 some random appears and starts killing people with a giant SOFA @___@"
Seriously all outta wuts with this one.
HAHAHAH Untouchable gets gang banged by midgets with tragic cones at 3.21 teh epicness
Man good show on Untouchable for being a good sport \o/
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
So...when i see a build that doesn't use geyser or AOPM i am shocked now a days.
And more shocked when somebody doesn't copy the next guy to win at pvp.
My question is, can you be a dedicated pvper without using AOPM. Geyser. Force cascade. Ebon Ruin. Smoke bomb? Because when i bring it up to those who only pvp, those are the powers i see 90% of the time.
.. Oh yes.. your claims that I don't PvP .. more of them. Your posts make me want to FoTM hunt you so bad.. but them I remember..
I dont need to epeen on forums OR in BASH. Going out of my way to do something NOT fun to me is not a sacrifice I'm willing to concede for you.
I queue PLENTY of PvP matches. I just make sure YOU aren't in them.
You need to check yourself with that "COPY" mentality. Certain powers have long been established to be common place in FF pvp, on alert changes really just narrowed a few.
Effective pvp requires an NTTG carrier, so hurl or geyser are locked in for that being the only 2 at 100ft range.
Smoke grenade placates (w/ adv) (altho percep debuff can help) but basically allows you to hide or setup your next attack. Smoke bomb is rarely utilized now.
AoPM is prominent for the sheer stat increase - unrestricted is often a blend of offense/defense, so one shouldn't be a surprised the most "hybrid like" passive is so common.
Ascension is flight immune to nttg, bonus healing buff, and a "break free" in one power, an energy form, and a dmg boost. This should be a no brainer.
You don't need to run ER or FC or even AoPM to be a "dedicated pvper". Dedicated pvp healers never looked that way, and there are plenty of setups that can do adequately or better outside of 1 v 1 situations.
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THIS
AND A few years ago almost ALL of the powers preformed GREAT in PVP, any given hero game pop you would see tons of different and epic builds.
Then came the People who cried about FOTM powers in the forums. GG.