I'd be interested in trying such practices runs. I don't really care if Eido gets unlocked or not. I just want to get some practice with the OMs with people who have a decent idea of what to do and can help me clue into them faster/better.
I expect most folks will be waiting for someone else to do the work.
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One the one hand it'd be nice if a different group, or at least just some new people went in there and unlocked the OMs for once... but on the other hand, the people doing the OMs get rewards for it so it's not really a loss. Those people "waiting for someone else to do the work" are really just volunteering to get less, so it's fair. ^_^
There wasn't anyone else there. Not in numbers great enough to matter. I think the grand total was 13 over the two runs, and one of the "extra" bodies was a tank that was only there for one run.
I can fire that slow guy on the grill but if there is no one there to take their place then what have I solved?
You will accomplish having the Boss deal less dmg to the tank and have less hp thereby increasing your chances of finishing the OM on time. Grills don't work this way, but OMs do. People who show up can actually be *worse* than useless. They can hurt the group.
Never mind that the person organizing the run doesn't have absolute power. The person organizing the run can not "fire" anyone.
Exactly. And that is why running the OMs is done with a small group of people who have shown themselves to be courteous. If you can't "fire" someone then you don't "hire" them in the first place.
I know that I have some bad days, and I know that I have some toons not as good as others, but if I think I am dragging a group down I will usually excuse myself.
That's nice, but many people do not do that. You can try it yourself and see if the people dragging the group down excuse themselves or not. (aka anyone who shows up after the OM has 10 people in it)
I don't need some wannabe dictator telling me that I "have to" leave an open game area. Anyone telling me that is not helping improve the odds that I will leave.
What should they do to improve the odds that you will leave? If they don't know then they won't ask you to come in the first place.
All I have seen this weekend is "Eidolon is up". No one is even announcing OMs on the channel because they don't want to deal with the random people. Even while other cosmics were happening. Whatever folks thought that they would spend their time trying to organize others were soon dissuaded of that notion it seems.
Why is that all you have seen? Because *you* did not organize and announce the OMs, that's why. You waited for someone else to do it.
It was announced last night and someone asked if they meant the OMs or Eidolon himself. That is not a person that sounds like they care about the OMs. They just want the main event and nothing else is more important than whatever else they have going on, even if it may be standing around Rencen waiting for a queue to pop.
Sucks for them. The OMs drop great rewards in their own right which sell well and provide enough SCR to rival the rampages.
I said at the start that I felt this would move towards the same few people doing the OMs because they wouldn't want to deal with any setbacks, and that is what I have seen over the weekend.
And then you did something about it! Right?
The OMs are on a 10 minute timer. They're up right now. Nobody is locking them down. Get your own team and go unlock Eido.
You literally have no excuses other than "I don't want to".
I was on an OM run yesterday with about 7-8 people. We were standing around Oub, when it was decided that for efficiency purposes, we start with Slug instead. So, you know what happened. Everyone just hopped on over to Slug. No 1000 "so are we going to Slug, now." No, "Where is everyone, I just started Oub." No nonsense, just everyone acting as a TEAM and getting the job done.
And, to be clear, I was on my weird AoAC, buff, debuff character that does a little healing and a little damage. By no means a min-maxed character pumping out 5000dps.
See, so, this is why you (and I mean you as everyone) are not invited to OM runs. It has nothing to do with the quality of your build. It has to do with the fact that you cannot act as a team. You cannot listen to the leader. You think you need to be the leader and too many leaders ruins the run.
When we do these small runs, we all just defer to one leader, generally whoever calls that run. Although, in the above case, I was the one who called the run, but I deferred to someone else because they know the strategy better. A lot of you think these unannounced runs are held because it is a bunch of elitists who don't want non-min-maxed builds. But it is exactly the opposite. They are composed of people who are polite and cooperative.
How do you get into these unannounced runs? Like I pointed out above, it's not with a massive character, it is with a team-work attitude. The exact opposite of being a rude elitist, these people are generally polite and cooperative. They listen (read), learn and do their job without any fuss. There is definitely no screaming of the same thing over and over as many people do. People know their jobs and do them. THAT is what gets you into the unannounced not, NOT being elitist, but rather being polite and cooperative (being funny helps, too). I know, that comes as a surprise to most.
I am often called an elitist because I believe that everyone can quickly learn the tactics for all of the epic content. In fact, it is the exact opposite, those of you who believe the content needs to be dumbed down and that you need coddle everyone EVERY.SINGLE.TIME are the elitists. Your belief that you are smarter than other people is the definition of elitism. Whereas I believe that people are as smart as me (if not smarter) and so are able to learn the content just fine. If they are not learning the content, it is because of laziness, not because they are not smart.
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There's an idea, having the system more dynamically evaluate people during the fight rather than just at the end. Then you could throw in score deductions for things like hitting a CC'd heart, or a CC'd dog... maybe even make it so that after a certain amount of those particular deductions you get teleported out of the zone and back to m-city... or have a banish-like effect cast on you that prevents you from interacting with any of the entities in the fight . I like the idea that people who are just generating slack won't upscale the boss, and that people who are either trolling or screwing up so much that it might as well be trolling are gotten rid of entirely. The idea that these folks would then not get a reward would mean that the system is actually delivering a "contribution threshold". Would really motivate people to either start asking questions and paying attention, or if they're not willing to do that then not show up entirely.
Nice idea, but on the real, do we think the devs have any tech to actually attempt something like this? I'm skeptical.
I am often called an elitist because I believe that everyone can quickly learn the tactics for all of the epic content. In fact, it is the exact opposite, those of you who believe the content needs to be dumbed down and that you need coddle everyone EVERY.SINGLE.TIME are the elitists. Your belief that you are smarter than other people is the definition of elitism. Whereas I believe that people are as smart as me (if not smarter) and so are able to learn the content just fine. If they are not learning the content, it is because of laziness, not because they are not smart.
Or they are not listening to the instructions of those who organize the runs and are trying to teach.
You could be smart as hell and be a poor listener/team player.
Unfortunately certain people will never get any of that because they can't even conceive of the possibility that it's not all about "MUH MIN MAX BILDS!". Just look at the reactions I get when I literally show a video with fun themey builds... people still say it's all about the build *facepalm* the only time they'll admit that there's anything to do with attitude or playing skill is when they're using it as some sort of veiled insult or accusation. Before those folks can even begin to learn teamwork skills they have to get rid of the filter that blocks out useful information.
Yesterday I noticed that there were around 15 people in the Qzone and figured something was afoot. I inquired on the Cosmic channel if it was a training exercise (which I need and would bring any type of character requested) or a private run. No one responded
Yesterday I noticed that there were around 15 people in the Qzone and figured something was afoot. I inquired on the Cosmic channel if it was a training exercise (which I need and would bring any type of character requested) or a private run. No one responded
Pretty much every time I inquire in Cosmic HQ if anyone wants to run OM/Eido I get complete silence. I usually do this when all the other Cosmics are on CD and I never get any takers. Well, sometimes a few people show up, but usually not enough to make an attempt.
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At this rate just move every boss in the q zone into instanced fights with a private queue option. Right now we've got the worst of both worlds.
That makes no sense. The options right now are good. Unlike the Cosmics, the OMs can easily be done by 7-8 people, sometimes less. The big point that everyone seems to be missing is:
They respawn every 10 minutes
See? Anybody can do them anytime! The likelihood that any two groups are running them at the exact same time is possible, but very low. See? So, the thing is, if someone wants to do OMs, just gather a group and go do it. There is nothing, other than themselves, holding anyone back from doing OMs.
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Uh no, becuase every time someone does it, a group of people are REQUIRED TO SIT OUT. the way its become is really stupid due to the changes made to the boss scaling.
It's not really that bad; there is some sitting, but it's not very much. The normal solution to too many players, assuming you have a bunch of players who can actually work together, is that you split up between two OMs (usually Oubliette and Slug) and whoever finishes first does the third while the other group finishes their OM and then sits.
Yesterday I noticed that there were around 15 people in the Qzone and figured something was afoot. I inquired on the Cosmic channel if it was a training exercise (which I need and would bring any type of character requested) or a private run. No one responded
See what you wanna do is a fly around to the OMs to see if people are there. Then you can ask someone directly what they need.
Uh no, becuase every time someone does it, a group of people are REQUIRED TO SIT OUT. the way its become is really stupid due to the changes made to the boss scaling.
That's not true. Quite often there are less than 10 people there, so no sitting out. Other times there are enough people with the right roles to have two groups going at once, so again no sitting out.
You wouldn't know this because you don't actually do this content or play this game.
At this rate just move every boss in the q zone into instanced fights with a private queue option. Right now we've got the worst of both worlds.
That makes no sense. The options right now are good. Unlike the Cosmics, the OMs can easily be done by 7-8 people, sometimes less. The big point that everyone seems to be missing is:
They respawn every 10 minutes
See? Anybody can do them anytime! The likelihood that any two groups are running them at the exact same time is possible, but very low. See? So, the thing is, if someone wants to do OMs, just gather a group and go do it. There is nothing, other than themselves, holding anyone back from doing OMs.
Uh no, becuase every time someone does it, a group of people are REQUIRED TO SIT OUT. the way its become is really stupid due to the changes made to the boss scaling.
This is just utterly not true. Most time you call for a group to farm OMs, you get less than 10. If you get more than 10, you split up. If you get more than 30, you have a new zone!
But more than that, like I said, and like you KEEP missing, they respawn every 10 minutes. So, say you recruit a crew to run OMs, and you want to make it easy, so you keep it to 10. Now, if another group wants to run OMs, THEY ONLY HAVE TO WAIT 10 MINUTES. So that's it. All you are whining about is a 10 minute wait.
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One the one hand it'd be nice if a different group, or at least just some new people went in there and unlocked the OMs for once... but on the other hand, the people doing the OMs get rewards for it so it's not really a loss. Those people "waiting for someone else to do the work" are really just volunteering to get less, so it's fair. ^_^
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The OMs are on a 10 minute timer. They're up right now. Nobody is locking them down. Get your own team and go unlock Eido.
You literally have no excuses other than "I don't want to".
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Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
And, to be clear, I was on my weird AoAC, buff, debuff character that does a little healing and a little damage. By no means a min-maxed character pumping out 5000dps.
See, so, this is why you (and I mean you as everyone) are not invited to OM runs. It has nothing to do with the quality of your build. It has to do with the fact that you cannot act as a team. You cannot listen to the leader. You think you need to be the leader and too many leaders ruins the run.
When we do these small runs, we all just defer to one leader, generally whoever calls that run. Although, in the above case, I was the one who called the run, but I deferred to someone else because they know the strategy better. A lot of you think these unannounced runs are held because it is a bunch of elitists who don't want non-min-maxed builds. But it is exactly the opposite. They are composed of people who are polite and cooperative.
How do you get into these unannounced runs? Like I pointed out above, it's not with a massive character, it is with a team-work attitude. The exact opposite of being a rude elitist, these people are generally polite and cooperative. They listen (read), learn and do their job without any fuss. There is definitely no screaming of the same thing over and over as many people do. People know their jobs and do them. THAT is what gets you into the unannounced not, NOT being elitist, but rather being polite and cooperative (being funny helps, too). I know, that comes as a surprise to most.
I am often called an elitist because I believe that everyone can quickly learn the tactics for all of the epic content. In fact, it is the exact opposite, those of you who believe the content needs to be dumbed down and that you need coddle everyone EVERY.SINGLE.TIME are the elitists. Your belief that you are smarter than other people is the definition of elitism. Whereas I believe that people are as smart as me (if not smarter) and so are able to learn the content just fine. If they are not learning the content, it is because of laziness, not because they are not smart.
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You could be smart as hell and be a poor listener/team player.
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They respawn every 10 minutes
See? Anybody can do them anytime! The likelihood that any two groups are running them at the exact same time is possible, but very low. See? So, the thing is, if someone wants to do OMs, just gather a group and go do it. There is nothing, other than themselves, holding anyone back from doing OMs.
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You wouldn't know this because you don't actually do this content or play this game.
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But more than that, like I said, and like you KEEP missing, they respawn every 10 minutes. So, say you recruit a crew to run OMs, and you want to make it easy, so you keep it to 10. Now, if another group wants to run OMs, THEY ONLY HAVE TO WAIT 10 MINUTES. So that's it. All you are whining about is a 10 minute wait.
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