That isnt free then U__u By ur logic that means LTS are playing for free.
Technically yes. Technically LTS is a microtransaction (although with wealth of 300$), that cheats a system into thinking that you're pay each month 15$ after this purchase, while you don't.
I'm a ltser. Lets see, 300 divided by 15 is 20 months of paid time. So less than 2 years of paid time. I got it back when it was still beta. So I've been technically a gold playing for free for several years now. Thats if you ignore all the costumes, travel powers, and other stuff I bought from the C-Store. So yes, LTS is technically free play with gold rights after a certain amount of time.
if I had just paid the $300 up front instead of buying 12+ ff slots on a silver account... well I would have even more ff slots plus all the benefits of being gold instead of slumming around as silver..
now granted a few of those ff slots were bought during a sale and one was given to me for free..
I guess my point is that $300 is a lot of money to spend all at once, and for me personally I feel more comfortable spending $50(or less!) every once in awhile.
that gives me be benefit of not having to spend anything on the game for a month or more if I choose to do so... and still allows me to play all of my characters without restrictions.
Give me an item in the zen store that allows me to change the color of my powers. I would buy one in an instant. I obviously don't mind spending money on this game when I've got the money to do so.
I am a Golden Player that has gone Silver for a while, for a group of reasons that included lack of ability to pay for the game sub, until I got the opportunity to regain Golden status via a life-sub. I have to say it's a little frustrating not being able to customize the colors of your powers to go with the theme of the characters one makes. I think it would be a nice addition.
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
... another faucet of this game's unique level of character customization.
Can I customise this faucet?
Yes. You're free to choose various models in various colors. You're even free to paint designs on it, including the words, "oh my god, somebody made a typo on the internet!"
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Well since you asked, anything you give to silvers, you also end up giving to golds by proxy. What that means is this: Once that gold player lets their subscription lapse, they can still tint their powers at will. As for LTS, that package already comes with a ton of nice things. Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care. Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Well since you asked, anything you give to silvers, you also end up giving to golds by proxy. What that means is this: Once that gold player lets their subscription lapse, they can still tint their powers at will. As for LTS, that package already comes with a ton of nice things. Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care. Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Well since you asked, anything you give to silvers, you also end up giving to golds by proxy. What that means is this: Once that gold player lets their subscription lapse, they can still tint their powers at will. As for LTS, that package already comes with a ton of nice things. Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care. Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
I think Silvers should be able to Color their powers with a token. Saying this as a LTSer. As I'm sure I either said in this thread or another, before I give my full agreement to this token, I'd have to see the price, FF=$50(or 25..though I'm not sure how..), so token should maybe be half of that? I dunno. Also, I've said it before and will say it again. LTSer's(myself included) do spend money outside of their 500z/mo. In fact I just spent $20 to get a few sets.
Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Well since you asked, anything you give to silvers, you also end up giving to golds by proxy. What that means is this: Once that gold player lets their subscription lapse, they can still tint their powers at will. As for LTS, that package already comes with a ton of nice things. Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care. Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
I'd have to say that anyone that buys more than a couple of FF Slots is bad with money. Plus, no one bought LTS just for tinting, I guarantee that.
Some people play for free and then buy stuff to use while playing for free.
I guess I gotta post a gif now or something...
That isnt free then U__u
By ur logic that means LTS are playing for free.
I was able to play the game for free before I got my LTS. If I were to give my LTS back, I would still be able to play the game for free. So yeah, LTS are also playing for free - they also have a bunch of stuff that they paid to get, but the very ability to log in and play the game is not one of them.
but wasn't your point that silver players get enough for free and should not ask for more? Using the same mall analogy, even though going to the mall is free, people who buy stuff in it get free parking.
Your analogy is faulty. People who "buy stuff at the mall" do not get free parking. Let's decode that: People who subscribe do not get to change their power colors for free, that service is something that they paid to get access to.
so people who have bought things in CO, have all the right to ask for stuff being given to them since they are actually spending money on the CO "mall". It doesn't matter if you're subbed or not. the moment you spend money on something you have more ground to ask for a certain service.
This supposes that it's only people who have spent money on the game who are asking for this, a faulty assumption at best.
So if I put a fab new spiked collar at Hot Topic, does that mean I'm well within my rights to tell the mall management that I should be able to get some free bed sheets over at JC Penny?
Of course I am, I can ask for whatever I want. They're well within their rights to laugh at me if I do that. However if I start to act like I'm entitled to that, or that it's an objectively bad decision for them not to do that, or that my life is somehow being made worse by them not doing that, then they're almost required to laugh at me.
It's a real simple test: Do you support the idea of being able to pay to get something that allows you to change your power colors? Then you've already been taking advantage of the fact that you can buy something to change your power colors and you simply want something more convenient.
Do you actually not want to have to spend any money, or are unable to spend any money, to change your power colors? Then you very likely have not been taking advantage of the fact that you can buy something to change your power colors and what you actually want is something that allows you to change your power colors while continuing to not spend any money.
or option C: You actually think what they're going to come out with is going to cost you less than the thing you can currently get. See: Freeform Slot. Who knows, maybe you're right and they'll actually release something that encourages people not to subscribe.
Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
Well since you asked, anything you give to silvers, you also end up giving to golds by proxy. What that means is this: Once that gold player lets their subscription lapse, they can still tint their powers at will. As for LTS, that package already comes with a ton of nice things. Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care. Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
In other words... nothing.
Well it was a silly question to begin with. There is no set of player privileges higher than gold since the whole game is already open to them. Besides, why does it need to be "if you give silvers something, you have to give gold something too?" As I already said, this game arguably places too much of value in the subscription basket, making the free version of the game far more unappealing than it needs to be. This is why there are fewer players overall.
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
Well it was a silly question to begin with. There is no set of player privileges higher than gold since the whole game is already open to them. Besides, why does it need to be "if you give silvers something, you have to give gold something too?" As I already said, this game arguably places too much of value in the subscription basket, making the free version of the game far more unappealing than it needs to be. This is why there are fewer players overall.
Wrong! If they give silvers free color tinting, then I as a LTSer demand free justice gear for all my toons!
I mean seriously people, most of you are adults with jobs (I hope). Your money management can't be that bad. Its only $15 per month to go gold. If they released something on the C-Store that would allow a single toon to unlock tinting, I guarantee that it will be expensive. More than a Sub for one toon expensive. Like FF Slots. $15 is not expensive in the short or long term really. So stop asking for stuff for free that would help people NOT subscribe and NOT support the game and keep it up. Sometimes, I feel that silver players begging for free things just want the game to shut down.
Lets look at FF Slots. I'm not sure how many FF slots the person has that has the most FF slots. But, lets just say, you buy 9 FF slots. 50 x 9 is 450. It doesn't matter if you spent that over a few years, the point is if you had spent that $15 dollars per month, 450 would net you...30 months of subscription time. During that time, you could easily unlock 30+ FREE FF slots with tinting, free premium travel powers and free premium costumes, and that's if you are a casual playing a few hours a day. Trust me on that, I'm a casual and I raised 50 toons to 40 within 3 years while playing only a few hours a day. Suddenly subscribing at a measly $15 dollars is not that bad.
And trust me on this, with how things have been priced in the C-Store, the Tinting token would cost about $25 at least. And the only people that would truly benefit from having a color tinting token, would be those players that have only 1 or 2 toons max.
I see this thread about a business decision has quickly devolved into an entitlement and income discrimination thread. Perfect World and Cryptic don't give a damn about what any of you think you deserve, they only care about making money. Saying that people who don't have $15 a month to spend on this game completely ignores the 1000s of other games that also want your money, the reality of having bills to pay, how not everyone has lots of disposable income, or other issues that don't involve people simply being a bunch of dead-beat losers. It also has nothing to do with the pros and cons of the business decisions to go f2p in the first place and what value a non-paying player can bring to the game.
and what value a non-paying player can bring to the game.
This right here is the key. In a healthy F2P game, the whales (big spenders) are vastly outnumbered by the other players (small spenders and non-monetizers). It's important to make sure both sides are happy, because while the whales typically support the game, the other players make up the bulk of the population and make it feel active. If you've ever seen games where everyone but the whales gets scared off, it's pretty sad. The top guilds consist of either most of the server, or in some cases, only a handful of people despite having an open-admittance policy. The world is empty and everything sucks.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say the only people left in CO are the big spenders, it does seem like most of the rather small population has spent on the game in some form or another. I don't want to see the game end up like what I described above, and that's why I want to see silver as at least somewhat appealing. This game needs to get better at retaining players, because those silvers are helping pad everyone's queue times, providing a larger talent pool for running high-end content, and making the world feel more alive overall.
Got to love how people think only rich people buy stuff in games. And Sterga wants to claim income discrimination. Surprise! I make less than 30k per year! And yet, I budget my money to have spending money. I pay bills, rent, all that jazz. But $15 dollars...is not that much. This is not income discrimination Sterga. This is me trying to figure out what the hell people are spending their money on. Porn? Luxury food? Luxury furniture? Save those stuff for when you get more money. Limit the number of games you play per month and pay only for the games you play during that month (plan ahead). It is simple to find the $15 with proper budgeting and cutting expensive stuff out of your life that you truly don't need. I personally don't make enough money to be able to do any major saving, unless I really cut stuff out, but the first step is to budget your money.
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Let's not forget that there are many Gold sub and LTS players who also spend money on top of their subs. What do those who suggest giving power tinting to silvers for free think that these aforementioned players should get for free?
What do you suggest?
from someone, with a LTS, gold and silver acct. I think they should get a life.
to dakrushmore,
who seems to be hard of thinking or deliberately ignoring certain things.
If you have to basically reprogram the game to do something,by changing the program file. You are NOT meant to be doing it, Gold, silver, purple or green
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so , is this change authorized? IN writing. NO. If you can't do it with what's already there, you aren't supposed to.
Any LTS player who paid $200-$300 strictly for the ability to tint their powers is several levels of insane, terrible with money, or so rich they probably don't care.
That's a terrible attempt at misdirection, nobody is saying that anyone would buy LTS solely for this ability. Folks buy LTS or monthly subs for a range of abilities, including power tinting.
Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
Nobody said anything about being "upset" except for you. Please don't exaggerate and try to stay reasonable here. Are you saying that any LTS who does not agree that Silver players should get power tinting for free but rather as a quid pro quo are "suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism"?
This right here is the key. In a healthy F2P game, the whales (big spenders) are vastly outnumbered by the other players (small spenders and non-monetizers). It's important to make sure both sides are happy, because while the whales typically support the game, the other players make up the bulk of the population and make it feel active. If you've ever seen games where everyone but the whales gets scared off, it's pretty sad. The top guilds consist of either most of the server, or in some cases, only a handful of people despite having an open-admittance policy. The world is empty and everything sucks.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say the only people left in CO are the big spenders, it does seem like most of the rather small population has spent on the game in some form or another. I don't want to see the game end up like what I described above, and that's why I want to see silver as at least somewhat appealing. This game needs to get better at retaining players, because those silvers are helping pad everyone's queue times, providing a larger talent pool for running high-end content, and making the world feel more alive overall.
You claiming that mass numbers of players are going to stop playing the game because they can't power their colors amuses me.
You claiming that the only way being a "silver player" can be somewhat appealing is adding power coloring to it also amuses me.
Soulforger, I hope someday you learn to see outside yourself and understand that not everyone fits into your vision of how their life should be or has walked the same path as you have.
Soulforger, I hope someday you learn to see outside yourself and understand that not everyone fits into your vision of how their life should be or has walked the same path as you have.
Sterga, I already do see that. That's why I'm trying to figure out where people's money is going. And besides, I wouldn't want others to walk my path.
Soulforger, I hope someday you learn to see outside yourself and understand that not everyone fits into your vision of how their life should be or has walked the same path as you have.
...would it be subtle enough if I just held a mirror in front of your face?
I could see it as 500-2000 zen... But since it's JUST colors... prob on the low end of that.
There are dozens of possible implementations for that. Just colors, just emanation points, just pet skins, altogether? Next: will it affect only single toon or all the toons? Will it unlock tinting permanently or allow to do that just one time? Will it be able color each power separately, or all powers will be tinted to same color (just like an aura someone suggested here)? Where will it be put to (Z/Q/Drift store)? Will it be tradeable between players, and even will it be available all the time or attached to certain event? Each of these differ at various properties, significant for developement, such as: difficulty to implement, possible risks, potential profit. And therefore a price is calculated according to all of this...
You claiming that mass numbers of players are going to stop playing the game because they can't power their colors amuses me.
You claiming that the only way being a "silver player" can be somewhat appealing is adding power coloring to it also amuses me.
I am greatly amused.
#MAKESILVERAPPEALINGAGAIN
LOL you really strive to live up to the name of the (god-awful) pseudo-journalism show your name is taken from, don't you? I never claimed that people would "stop playing because they can't tint their powers" or that "being able to tint your powers is the only way to make silver appealing." Stop putting words in my mouth.
What I'm actually saying is this: If you make your game's "free" package more appealing, people are more likely to get hooked and make the game a regular part of their entertainment lineup. When this happens, they're going to not only pad the population and all things associated (queues, group content talent pool, etc) but also, they'll probably pay for something at some point. This is very much a tried and true thing in the F2P MMO world, and it's something CO doesn't currently do. If anything, CO leads with its worst foot forward rather than its best.
Any LTS player who actually gets upset at the idea of silver players being able to tint their powers is most likely suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism.
Nobody said anything about being "upset" except for you. Please don't exaggerate and try to stay reasonable here. Are you saying that any LTS who does not agree that Silver players should get power tinting for free but rather as a quid pro quo are "suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism"?
You're trying too hard. Anyone who has a problem with silver players getting non-game-changing cosmetic things like power tinting is clearly upset at the idea of having to "share" their special snowflakeness. "Oh no, every silver player can have pink lightning and blue fireballs too? My gameplay experience is totally ruined!" Or, in Cybermind's words, "AWW, THAT'S SO UNFAIR!"
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
You're trying too hard. Anyone who has a problem with silver players getting non-game-changing cosmetic things like power tinting is clearly upset at the idea of having to "share" their special snowflakeness. "Oh no, every silver player can have pink lightning and blue fireballs too? My gameplay experience is totally ruined!" Or, in Cybermind's words, "AWW, THAT'S SO UNFAIR!"
No, no one is upset at the idea of having to share Color Tinting. Its just that gold subscribers/LTSers have paid for it. So it shouldn't be free.
You're trying too hard. Anyone who has a problem with silver players getting non-game-changing cosmetic things like power tinting is clearly upset at the idea of having to "share" their special snowflakeness. "Oh no, every silver player can have pink lightning and blue fireballs too? My gameplay experience is totally ruined!" Or, in Cybermind's words, "AWW, THAT'S SO UNFAIR!"
No, no one is upset at the idea of having to share Color Tinting. Its just that gold subscribers/LTSers have paid for it. So it shouldn't be free.
Did they pay for color tinting specifically? Or was it for freeform, monthly rewards, proper access to onslaught, extra character slots, extra costume slots, the gold cap increase, and dozens of other far more useful things that come with the package?
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
You know, OP... Spam creation of multiple accounts within a 24 hour period for any reason - least of all for forum clout - is a serious breech of ToS... Unless I'm thinking of Nexon's ToS. Eh, they're all the same.
Tl;Dr: Stop talking to yourself.
Oh, irony is that my STO account here looks just as fresh and new as the OP's spama'counts.
It is something they could charge for and make money off of it, people would be willing to buy it. A silver player who pays nothing is not really contributing anything to support the game other than boosting the game's population. Having more people online is great and all, but people who pay nothing are not entitled to stuff just because people who pay get perks for spending.
Pleasing people who don't spend money just to get them to stick around so they continue to not spend money does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing the people that stick around who do spend money.
and if you're arguing that by giving them this for free with the hope that they might spend money in the future...well that does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing those who are willing to spend money right now.
It is something they could charge for and make money off of it, people would be willing to buy it. A silver player who pays nothing is not really contributing anything to support the game other than boosting the game's population. Having more people online is great and all, but people who pay nothing are not entitled to stuff just because people who pay get perks for spending.
Pleasing people who don't spend money just to get them to stick around so they continue to not spend money does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing the people that stick around who do spend money.
and if you're arguing that by giving them this for free with the hope that they might spend money in the future...well that does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing those who are willing to spend money right now.
Agreed, also, adding it to the store makes it more visible to the player base that such a thing exists.
You know, OP... Spam creation of multiple accounts within a 24 hour period for any reason - least of all for forum clout - is a serious breech of ToS... Unless I'm thinking of Nexon's ToS. Eh, they're all the same.
Tl;Dr: Stop talking to yourself.
Oh, irony is that my STO account here looks just as fresh and new as the OP's spama'counts.
It's the "joined" bit that sets you apart though. You didn't join 2 minutes before posting
No, no one is upset at the idea of having to share Color Tinting. Its just that gold subscribers/LTSers have paid for it. So it shouldn't be free.
Did they pay for color tinting specifically? Or was it for freeform, monthly rewards, proper access to onslaught, extra character slots, extra costume slots, the gold cap increase, and dozens of other far more useful things that come with the package?
Yes, they did buy LTS for color tinting to, we bought it for all those things.
Did they pay for color tinting specifically? Or was it for freeform, monthly rewards, proper access to onslaught, extra character slots, extra costume slots, the gold cap increase, and dozens of other far more useful things that come with the package?
someone having paid for something has no relation to other people's getting it for free it happens everywhere all the time. If I buy a pair of shoes and then they have a sale where they give them for free if someone spends more than 40$ in the store am I going to get mad? of course not! I bouge Guild wars 2 a while ago for around 30$. a few months they made the game free to play. Am I going to complain to them that because I paid for it everyone should pay for it? No, that would be petty. Prices and conditions change all the time and we as consumers can't do much about it all. Of course who finally decides what changes are being made is in this case Cryptic/PWE. But "I paid for it" it's not an valid point enough that others should pay for it as well.
Now, I don't expect them to make it free if they can make some money of it. I just hope they make a reasonable way to do it, that's all.
They should sell it for the same price as 1 month for a gold account...I'd pay that just for the convenience of not having to switch silver characters to gold characters than muck about with switching them back again. That is if the item unlocked this feature on all characters..if it was only for 1 character each I would hope they'd sell it for at most half of that.
They should sell it for the same price as 1 month for a gold account...I'd pay that just for the convenience of not having to switch silver characters to gold characters than muck about with switching them back again. That is if the item unlocked this feature on all characters..if it was only for 1 character each I would hope they'd sell it for at most half of that.
so.... 1500 zen?
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They should sell it for the same price as 1 month for a gold account...I'd pay that just for the convenience of not having to switch silver characters to gold characters than muck about with switching them back again. That is if the item unlocked this feature on all characters..if it was only for 1 character each I would hope they'd sell it for at most half of that.
I don't want to see the game end up like what I described above, and that's why I want to see silver as at least somewhat appealing.
Which implies that you believe silver is not even somewhat appealing currently.
And we're in a thread where you are advocating giving silver players color tinting for free.
You're going to claim these two facts are in no way related?
From my perspective, silver isn't appealing at all. Ask yourself, what does this game have to offer silver players to make them stick around?
A great tailoring system? Heck yeah, but that and a brand X superhero setting is literally all you get. The gameplay itself is mediocre, the leveling experience has all the failings of vanilla-era wow's dated quest system, and the really engaging stuff, like freeform customization, is locked behind a subscription wall.
Now sure, you could say, "just sub and you'd get everything you ever wanted!" Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way. When a new player first sits down to try out a free game, they don't have any commitment to it like they would with something they bought up front. Instead, they're giving it an evaluation, and during that time, the game had better pull out all the stops to look as amazing as possible if it has any hopes of being seen as worth adding to their entertainment lineup. If it doesn't, they'll discard it and play something else without ever looking back. It was free, after all. No loss.
CO doesn't even come close at trying to impress new players--they give you a selection of grossly-outdated archetypes with minimal choice tiers, then present you with content that will squash you if you don't know exactly what you're doing. The tailor sure is fancy, though!
My point is that the game needs to do more to impress newer players. Giving free players the option to tint their powers and auras probably isn't the only solution, but it's a great starting point due to the fact that it has absolutely no bearing on actual game balance.
There's still plenty incentive to sub and lots to buy from the c-store.
(Hopefully) Useful CO Resources: HeroCreator (character planner), Cosmic Timers/Alert Checklist, Blood Moon Map, Anniversary Cat Map, and more (eventually, anyway).
A great tailoring system? Heck yeah, but that and a brand X superhero setting is literally all you get. The gameplay itself is mediocre, the leveling experience has all the failings of vanilla-era wow's dated quest system, and the really engaging stuff, like freeform customization, is locked behind a subscription wall.
If they don't like the setting or gameplay...I'm not really sure how exactly letting them tint the colors of their powers is going to help make them stick around and play a game that they dislike. If they wanna just use the game to make pretty characters and stand around...they can make pretty characters and stand around... but you've actually gotta go out and do things to actually use your powers...what is the point of having pink fireballs if you're not going to play the content because you don't like the setting and gameplay?
The setting and gameplay are one of the reasons I'm still here, if I didn't like the game itself I highly doubt that the amazing character customization alone would have been enough to make me stick around.
Color tinting being a non-essential fluff item is why I'd say it's better to sell that ability than to give it away for free. It doesn't do much to highlight the core features of this game to silver players or convince then into sticking around to potentially becoming paying players that other things could do much better.
What should gold and lifer players get for anything silver players get for free? How about more people to play with? More people in your guilds to donate for contests? Or maybe even more paying players so the game gets more development and/or doesn't shut down? A sub hardly matters if the game is dead.
remember that there are lots of different kinds of players, and what is interesting for some is not for others. some people are explorers, other pvpers, other completitionists, etc... I personally like CO only for the character creator, and some of the maps (vibora bay) but the game is indeed mediocre to me, graphics oculd be way better, the quests are boring and battles are repetitive and boring too. to me the character creator being so rich partially makes up for some of these cons, but I personally wouldn't sub to a game that as so minimal development and investment.
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now granted a few of those ff slots were bought during a sale and one was given to me for free..
I guess my point is that $300 is a lot of money to spend all at once, and for me personally I feel more comfortable spending $50(or less!) every once in awhile.
that gives me be benefit of not having to spend anything on the game for a month or more if I choose to do so... and still allows me to play all of my characters without restrictions.
Give me an item in the zen store that allows me to change the color of my powers. I would buy one in an instant. I obviously don't mind spending money on this game when I've got the money to do so.
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And what about this, aesica...... What do you suggest?
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42 40s, LTSer.
If I were to give my LTS back, I would still be able to play the game for free.
So yeah, LTS are also playing for free - they also have a bunch of stuff that they paid to get, but the very ability to log in and play the game is not one of them. Your analogy is faulty. People who "buy stuff at the mall" do not get free parking. Let's decode that: People who subscribe do not get to change their power colors for free, that service is something that they paid to get access to.
This supposes that it's only people who have spent money on the game who are asking for this, a faulty assumption at best.
So if I put a fab new spiked collar at Hot Topic, does that mean I'm well within my rights to tell the mall management that I should be able to get some free bed sheets over at JC Penny?
Of course I am, I can ask for whatever I want. They're well within their rights to laugh at me if I do that. However if I start to act like I'm entitled to that, or that it's an objectively bad decision for them not to do that, or that my life is somehow being made worse by them not doing that, then they're almost required to laugh at me.
It's a real simple test: Do you support the idea of being able to pay to get something that allows you to change your power colors? Then you've already been taking advantage of the fact that you can buy something to change your power colors and you simply want something more convenient.
Do you actually not want to have to spend any money, or are unable to spend any money, to change your power colors? Then you very likely have not been taking advantage of the fact that you can buy something to change your power colors and what you actually want is something that allows you to change your power colors while continuing to not spend any money.
or option C: You actually think what they're going to come out with is going to cost you less than the thing you can currently get. See: Freeform Slot. Who knows, maybe you're right and they'll actually release something that encourages people not to subscribe.
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I guess if we have elitist subscribers, we might as well add in entitled silvers.
I mean seriously people, most of you are adults with jobs (I hope). Your money management can't be that bad. Its only $15 per month to go gold. If they released something on the C-Store that would allow a single toon to unlock tinting, I guarantee that it will be expensive. More than a Sub for one toon expensive. Like FF Slots. $15 is not expensive in the short or long term really. So stop asking for stuff for free that would help people NOT subscribe and NOT support the game and keep it up. Sometimes, I feel that silver players begging for free things just want the game to shut down.
Lets look at FF Slots. I'm not sure how many FF slots the person has that has the most FF slots. But, lets just say, you buy 9 FF slots. 50 x 9 is 450. It doesn't matter if you spent that over a few years, the point is if you had spent that $15 dollars per month, 450 would net you...30 months of subscription time. During that time, you could easily unlock 30+ FREE FF slots with tinting, free premium travel powers and free premium costumes, and that's if you are a casual playing a few hours a day. Trust me on that, I'm a casual and I raised 50 toons to 40 within 3 years while playing only a few hours a day. Suddenly subscribing at a measly $15 dollars is not that bad.
And trust me on this, with how things have been priced in the C-Store, the Tinting token would cost about $25 at least. And the only people that would truly benefit from having a color tinting token, would be those players that have only 1 or 2 toons max.
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While I wouldn't go so far as to say the only people left in CO are the big spenders, it does seem like most of the rather small population has spent on the game in some form or another. I don't want to see the game end up like what I described above, and that's why I want to see silver as at least somewhat appealing. This game needs to get better at retaining players, because those silvers are helping pad everyone's queue times, providing a larger talent pool for running high-end content, and making the world feel more alive overall. Are you calling me an entitled silver?
from someone, with a LTS, gold and silver acct. I think they should get a life.
to dakrushmore,
who seems to be hard of thinking or deliberately ignoring certain things.
If you have to basically reprogram the game to do something,by changing the program file. You are NOT meant to be doing it, Gold, silver, purple or green
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so , is this change authorized? IN writing. NO.
If you can't do it with what's already there, you aren't supposed to.
This game's files are acknowledged as an unannotated mess. Last thing it needs is players, adding in "oh it's harmless, it only does this."
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/championsonline/#/discussion/239805/a-torrent-of-bugs/p1
That is a list of bugs which happened, when people who knew(supposedly) what they were doing did something.
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
Also, the price should be a lot less than a FF slot.
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Nobody said anything about being "upset" except for you. Please don't exaggerate and try to stay reasonable here. Are you saying that any LTS who does not agree that Silver players should get power tinting for free but rather as a quid pro quo are "suffering from varying levels of undeserved elitism"?
wow.
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You claiming that the only way being a "silver player" can be somewhat appealing is adding power coloring to it also amuses me.
I am greatly amused.
#MAKESILVERAPPEALINGAGAIN
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I can't see them providing something less expensive than this.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
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What I'm actually saying is this: If you make your game's "free" package more appealing, people are more likely to get hooked and make the game a regular part of their entertainment lineup. When this happens, they're going to not only pad the population and all things associated (queues, group content talent pool, etc) but also, they'll probably pay for something at some point. This is very much a tried and true thing in the F2P MMO world, and it's something CO doesn't currently do. If anything, CO leads with its worst foot forward rather than its best. You're trying too hard. Anyone who has a problem with silver players getting non-game-changing cosmetic things like power tinting is clearly upset at the idea of having to "share" their special snowflakeness. "Oh no, every silver player can have pink lightning and blue fireballs too? My gameplay experience is totally ruined!" Or, in Cybermind's words, "AWW, THAT'S SO UNFAIR!"
Tl;Dr: Stop talking to yourself.
Oh, irony is that my STO account here looks just as fresh and new as the OP's spama'counts.
Pleasing people who don't spend money just to get them to stick around so they continue to not spend money does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing the people that stick around who do spend money.
and if you're arguing that by giving them this for free with the hope that they might spend money in the future...well that does not seem as worthwhile as pleasing those who are willing to spend money right now.
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Yes, they did buy LTS for color tinting to, we bought it for all those things.
Every faucet of it.
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If I buy a pair of shoes and then they have a sale where they give them for free if someone spends more than 40$ in the store am I going to get mad? of course not!
I bouge Guild wars 2 a while ago for around 30$. a few months they made the game free to play. Am I going to complain to them that because I paid for it everyone should pay for it? No, that would be petty.
Prices and conditions change all the time and we as consumers can't do much about it all. Of course who finally decides what changes are being made is in this case Cryptic/PWE.
But "I paid for it" it's not an valid point enough that others should pay for it as well.
Now, I don't expect them to make it free if they can make some money of it. I just hope they make a reasonable way to do it, that's all.
This is a big journey, so far if you're reading this, wish you a good day
And we're in a thread where you are advocating giving silver players color tinting for free.
You're going to claim these two facts are in no way related?
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A great tailoring system? Heck yeah, but that and a brand X superhero setting is literally all you get. The gameplay itself is mediocre, the leveling experience has all the failings of vanilla-era wow's dated quest system, and the really engaging stuff, like freeform customization, is locked behind a subscription wall.
Now sure, you could say, "just sub and you'd get everything you ever wanted!" Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way. When a new player first sits down to try out a free game, they don't have any commitment to it like they would with something they bought up front. Instead, they're giving it an evaluation, and during that time, the game had better pull out all the stops to look as amazing as possible if it has any hopes of being seen as worth adding to their entertainment lineup. If it doesn't, they'll discard it and play something else without ever looking back. It was free, after all. No loss.
CO doesn't even come close at trying to impress new players--they give you a selection of grossly-outdated archetypes with minimal choice tiers, then present you with content that will squash you if you don't know exactly what you're doing. The tailor sure is fancy, though!
My point is that the game needs to do more to impress newer players. Giving free players the option to tint their powers and auras probably isn't the only solution, but it's a great starting point due to the fact that it has absolutely no bearing on actual game balance.
There's still plenty incentive to sub and lots to buy from the c-store.
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The setting and gameplay are one of the reasons I'm still here, if I didn't like the game itself I highly doubt that the amazing character customization alone would have been enough to make me stick around.
What should gold and lifer players get for anything silver players get for free? How about more people to play with? More people in your guilds to donate for contests? Or maybe even more paying players so the game gets more development and/or doesn't shut down? A sub hardly matters if the game is dead.
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some people are explorers, other pvpers, other completitionists, etc...
I personally like CO only for the character creator, and some of the maps (vibora bay) but the game is indeed mediocre to me, graphics oculd be way better, the quests are boring and battles are repetitive and boring too.
to me the character creator being so rich partially makes up for some of these cons, but I personally wouldn't sub to a game that as so minimal development and investment.