mircalla83Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 36
edited August 2014
And get every MMO site who reports about Mod4 Release also informed about the big exploits, a rough 'when, what, consequences' without going into too much detail.
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hiukulimusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 117
And for you "Nerf Leadership" types: the problem is hourly Events like Skirmishes where all that AD generation is coming from. What you can make in a day in Leadership you can make in an hour in an Event like skirmishes.
Question to you: How many skirmish events are there in a day? So on how many chars can one person cap through skirmishes compared to, say, doing professions via online gateway?
On a side note, I would totally hate if they ruined leadership, I only have this one char maxed out and I make 6-10k a day tops. Which is my only AD income for now and I'm raising it to upgrade a Companion.
Also, I think the problem is bigger than the legal ways of getting AD, be it through Skirmishes or professions or whatever.
Question to you: How many skirmish events are there in a day? So on how many chars can one person cap through skirmishes compared to, say, doing professions via online gateway?
On a side note, I would totally hate if they ruined leadership, I only have this one char maxed out and I make 6-10k a day tops. Which is my only AD income for now and I'm raising it to upgrade a Companion.
Also, I think the problem is bigger than the legal ways of getting AD, be it through Skirmishes or professions or whatever.
I got to a 300K RAD surplus on all my accounts from doing dailies and a few skirmishes and a couple of dungeons a day and 0 professions.
Question to you: How many skirmish events are there in a day? So on how many chars can one person cap through skirmishes compared to, say, doing professions via online gateway?
On a side note, I would totally hate if they ruined leadership, I only have this one char maxed out and I make 6-10k a day tops. Which is my only AD income for now and I'm raising it to upgrade a Companion.
Also, I think the problem is bigger than the legal ways of getting AD, be it through Skirmishes or professions or whatever.
It's actually quite easy: multiple characters. Character 1 runs blacklake skirmish at 6AM x 20 runs during event hour=20k AD in that hour, repeats at 12PM and 6PM (Skirmish events are three times a day) = 3x20k AD = 60k AD - on a GOOD hour - I average 18 runs myself. That's ONE character just running Blacklake Skirmish.
Second Character does the same on a different Bonus AD event. Third character.. fourth, fifth... So if I have 14 "throw-away" characters that I can rinse and recycle every time they out level Blacklake Skirmish - that's 14 times whatever I can earn in AD per hour, per day. (I have seen some Blacklake runners who can average 25 runs per day if not more depending on how well the queue is working.) Each event varies in terms of how much AD you can earn based on time it takes "per run" and the queue functioning well (quick access). There is a web site that shows you the event schedule so it's easy to not miss them (I forget the URL right now and I'm at work - so can't post it here now, sorry).
Yes this is an extreme example (and probably really would require a robot) - but it's an example to demonstrate how frivolous the "nerf Leadership AD Farming" argument really is. This is the same as a mosquito floating down the river on its back with an erection, screaming "RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE!" Seriously? LOL
My point is that Bonus AD Events greatly provide higher ROI (Return on Investment, in this case: time). Professions are are a pittance. Any serious AD Farmer would only use professions for creating stuff they can scalp in the AH, not Astral Diamonds. The only people farming AD from professions are players trying all they can to earn AD without buying it, not the "bot" type hardcore AD farmers.
All this just demonstrates the ignorance (that's not a bad word) of so many players and commentators here who only know what they see, but do not know anything about what they do not know.
I got to a 300K RAD surplus on all my accounts from doing dailies and a few skirmishes and a couple of dungeons a day and 0 professions.
Thank you - you make my point - and I'm willing to bet you aren't even one of these "nefarious bot-style AD farmer"types that we all think of when we talk about this stuff (I suspect you'd have a lot more than 300k RAW AD). You strike me as a very serious, highly-motivated, hard-working player trying to farm as much AD as you can - legally within the EULA.
This is what I do, though I don't make nearly that much. I'm just now hitting 3 Million and it's been about a week and a half of both professions and Skirmish-farming as often as I can (usually once and sometimes twice a day on only two "throw-away" characters).
However - with prices for things that used to sell for 1 or 2 Million AD now selling for between 6 Million and 30 Million - does anyone actually think I'd want to really increase my AD holdings? I have 30k Zen that I have no interest in converting through ZAX because AD have lost so much value recently. This means at 500/1 I would be losing huge value of Zen just by buying AD through ZAX. Hell, GOLD is becoming more valuable than AD at this point. Yes. Really.
THIS is the problem: Zen is much more valuable than AD right now, so I (and how many others?) won't sell it because I can buy a lot more with my Zen than I could by with 10 Million AD (20,000 Zen at 500/1).
This is what I do, though I don;t make nearly that much. I'm just now hitting 3 Million and it's been about a week and a half of both professions and Skirmish-farming as often as I can (usually once and sometimes twice a day on only two "throw-away" characters).
Its stories like this which makes me feel uneasy inside. People who farm legit that are just getting to the low-millions.
Meanwhile, I know a player who earned 50mil yesterday exploiting. He was just trying it out, or at least thats what he claimed.
i really REALLY hope you have reported those glitches/exploit...
Bragging about in the forum about how you know those glitches, will lead you as primary suspect for exploiting bugs.
Or probably you dont even care, becasue you are using a secondary account to hide yourself... while main account is safe ...
Hi hiu, I feel your concern and disdain for the current situation.
Let me tell what happened a month ago. There were a lot of players who exploited their primary stats and exploited the leaderboard. I wasn't too happy about that, I reported them through the reporting feature and brought the issue up on the forums.
You know what happened? They got all their characters back, none of them were perma-banned. They still have their exploited leaderboard statistics and my account got a temporary ban for bringing the issue up publicly. Cryptic's rules are cryptic's rules I guess and I've since decided to change my approach differently from now on.
You know what happened? They got all their characters back, none of them were perma-banned. They still have their exploited leaderboard statistics and my account got a temporary ban for bringing the issue up publicly. Cryptic's rules are cryptic's rules I guess and I've since decided to change my approach differently from now on.
First the players must be willing to share those glitches
Sadly, I bet the guy who posted the video yesterday was banned. That is why these things remain in the fringe for so long and no one wants to report it. There are no whistleblower rules on this forum and in the game.
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hiukulimusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 117
Hi hiu, I feel your concern and disdain for the current situation.
Let me tell what happened a month ago. There were a lot of players who exploited their primary stats and exploited the leaderboard. I wasn't too happy about that, I reported them through the reporting feature and brought the issue up on the forums.
You know what happened? They got all their characters back, none of them were perma-banned. They still have their exploited leaderboard statistics and my account got a temporary ban for bringing the issue up publicly. Cryptic's rules are cryptic's rules I guess and I've since decided to change my approach differently from now on.
First the players must be willing to share those glitches
well if you have reported what you know about it, its fine... otherwise not.. and i knew about that "bacon" stat from forum... yeah true story...
i suggest you to use "bacon" instead of "those prohibited words" we will understand what you mean anyway ^^
Let me tell what happened a month ago. There were a lot of players who exploited their primary stats and exploited the leaderboard. I wasn't too happy about that, I reported them through the reporting feature and brought the issue up on the forums.
You know what happened? They got all their characters back, none of them were perma-banned. They still have their exploited leaderboard statistics and my account got a temporary ban for bringing the issue up publicly.
That, my friend, is frankly despicable behaviour from Cryptic. But I am sadly unsurprised.
Cryptic have proven time and again that they would rather sweep exploit problems under the carpet than confront them head on, and unfortunately this extends to dealing with the culprits. It's like they believe that the publicity generated would be too large a negative regardless of how well received such actions might be by the player base.
Published: Monday 04 August, 2014
Earlier today, Cryptic Studio banned almost every AD suppliers in Neverwinter. It is the largest ban wave we've seen since Open Beta. To our knowledge, most other shops have problems with supply of their AD too
Taken from one of those nasty sites, so obviously Cryptic is doing something even if we don't know about it.
I would be happy to convert my Zen, which I purchased with $$, to AD if the conversion rate wasn't so stupid. I don't buy Zen item to sell for AD and that seemed silly to me too. The other choice is Lockboxes. but since they have been nerfed to hell I don't do that anymore. 500 to 1 is a stupid limit. You want my ZEN, make it worth my while to convert. Otherwise I don't care about the AD to Zen backlog.
This is what I do, though I don't make nearly that much. I'm just now hitting 3 Million and it's been about a week and a half of both professions and Skirmish-farming as often as I can (usually once and sometimes twice a day on only two "throw-away" characters).
Wow! It would take me 4 months to gain 3 million AD on only two characters!
THIS is the problem: Zen is much more valuable than AD right now, so I (and how many others?) won't sell it because I can buy a lot more with my Zen than I could by with 10 Million AD (20,000 Zen at 500/1).
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Published: Monday 04 August, 2014
Earlier today, Cryptic Studio banned almost every AD suppliers in Neverwinter. It is the largest ban wave we've seen since Open Beta. To our knowledge, most other shops have problems with supply of their AD too
Taken from one of those nasty sites, so obviously Cryptic is doing something even if we don't know about it.
Even if that's true it alone won't fix the problem of hyperinflation and a backlogged ZAX that having this go on for months has caused.
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bazgcMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 184Bounty Hunter
Not immediately, but it should help things long term.
No it won't. They'll change their bots slightly so that the detection software is evaded, rebuild an army of bots, and we'll be right back here. One wave of banning does nothing.
So instead of a 12.5 Million backlog at 500, you have a 12.5 Million backlog at 600/750/1000/2000/5000 then. Really helpful.
Bind Zen Store goods to Account, then unbind Tradebar Coals and Prewards again. It requires more Keys to open enough boxes to get a Coal Ward.
Well no because before you reached 750 the ZAX would yeild a higher return than re-selling zen store items on the AH and therefore the backlog would dissapear in a poof of logic. A fun fallout from this is given ready access to zen F2P players would be able to obtain these wards.
Well no because before you reached 750 the ZAX would yeild a higher return than re-selling zen store items on the AH and therefore the backlog would dissapear in a poof of logic. A fun fallout from this is given ready access to zen F2P players would be able to obtain these wards.
Lol, the price of things on the ah would just rise right along with it. There would be no difference.
Lol, the price of things on the ah would just rise right along with it. There would be no difference.
How do you figure? A rising ZAX does not change the demand for wards. As a matter of fact the ZAX and wards used to fluctuate in price relative to each other when the exchange actually functioned. In fact the backlog is causing the rise in AH prices because people like me will not even use the AH to re-sell zen items because the time it takes to convert my AD makes it not worth the flip when I need wards for myself.
AH prices are inflated (and will remain inflated) because there are enough players out there with hordes of AD (from exploits or third-party purchases) who will continue to buy stuff off the AH at the current prices. Even though the prices are high, they can afford it with their tons of AD.
I don't see this issue changing soon because Cryptic apparently doesn't have the resources required to track such an obscene amount of exploited AD.
How do you figure? A rising ZAX does not change the demand for wards. As a matter of fact the ZAX and wards used to fluctuate in price relative to each other when the exchange actually functioned. In fact the backlog is causing the rise in AH prices because people like me will not even use the AH to re-sell zen items because the time it takes to convert my AD makes it not worth the flip when I need wards for myself.
Because the ZAX attempts to put a small break on the hyperinflation, having the ability to get the item a little cheaper if you are willing to wait keeps the prices down on the ah a little bit. Raise one you will raise the other at this point.
Published: Monday 04 August, 2014
Earlier today, Cryptic Studio banned almost every AD suppliers in Neverwinter. It is the largest ban wave we've seen since Open Beta. To our knowledge, most other shops have problems with supply of their AD too
Taken from one of those nasty sites, so obviously Cryptic is doing something even if we don't know about it.
Considering the spammers were out full force tonight, I wouldn't take this statement to be true, and if it is they've started to recover already and are almost back to functional already.
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hiukulimusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 117
Published: Monday 04 August, 2014
Earlier today, Cryptic Studio banned almost every AD suppliers in Neverwinter. It is the largest ban wave we've seen since Open Beta. To our knowledge, most other shops have problems with supply of their AD too
Taken from one of those nasty sites, so obviously Cryptic is doing something even if we don't know about it.
Again.. bots are not the primary cause of this inflation...
Who exploited the ad is the cause, becasue instead of bot which they want to get paid real money for their ad, those who exploited with recent "BUG" they are bying everything and moving items in ah... and lowering the supply of items existing...
who should be banned are those exploiters... but from what i heard seems ppl who own BILIONS of those ad exploited have not been banned...
Considering the spammers were out full force tonight, I wouldn't take this statement to be true, and if it is they've started to recover already and are almost back to functional already.
Yes, gold-seller spam is back and more worryingly their prices are back to what it was before. So I am assuming they have found a new way to generate AD.
How about Cryptic impose something like a "Wealth Tax". 50% of what is in excess of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> AD (eg 100 million) would make a dint.
Communism is so 1960. The problem is not AD rich players. The problem is essentially counterfeit AD. Remove that from the game, don't just indiscriminately tax anyone over a certain AD threshold. Sheesh.
How about Cryptic impose something like a "Wealth Tax". 50% of what is in excess of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> AD (eg 100 million) would make a dint.
Why stop there? How did you come up with THOSE numbers? If we're going to be arbitrary in doing things then let's do it right:
Impose something like a "Wealth Tax". 99.44% of what is in excess of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> AD (eg 100) would make a dint.
Yeah, that would definitely be better. If you're going to punish anyone, then punish everyone.
Because whatever goes around *will* come around.
Also, when changing chars quickly, it's a good idea to wait for the counter to go to 14 because if you hit the button to quick (or if the counter is lagging) it will log you out instead.
Is THAT why that happens sometimes? i never knew that. Happens to me ALL the time. i guess i'm too quick on the logout!
How about Cryptic impose something like a "Wealth Tax". 50% of what is in excess of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> AD (eg 100 million) would make a dint.
No.
I don't really feel the need to expand on that, since the idea is ridiculous.
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i really REALLY hope you have reported those glitches/exploit...
Bragging about in the forum about how you know those glitches, will lead you as primary suspect for exploiting bugs.
Or probably you dont even care, becasue you are using a secondary account to hide yourself... while main account is safe ...
Question to you: How many skirmish events are there in a day? So on how many chars can one person cap through skirmishes compared to, say, doing professions via online gateway?
On a side note, I would totally hate if they ruined leadership, I only have this one char maxed out and I make 6-10k a day tops. Which is my only AD income for now and I'm raising it to upgrade a Companion.
Also, I think the problem is bigger than the legal ways of getting AD, be it through Skirmishes or professions or whatever.
I got to a 300K RAD surplus on all my accounts from doing dailies and a few skirmishes and a couple of dungeons a day and 0 professions.
Second Character does the same on a different Bonus AD event. Third character.. fourth, fifth... So if I have 14 "throw-away" characters that I can rinse and recycle every time they out level Blacklake Skirmish - that's 14 times whatever I can earn in AD per hour, per day. (I have seen some Blacklake runners who can average 25 runs per day if not more depending on how well the queue is working.) Each event varies in terms of how much AD you can earn based on time it takes "per run" and the queue functioning well (quick access). There is a web site that shows you the event schedule so it's easy to not miss them (I forget the URL right now and I'm at work - so can't post it here now, sorry).
Yes this is an extreme example (and probably really would require a robot) - but it's an example to demonstrate how frivolous the "nerf Leadership AD Farming" argument really is. This is the same as a mosquito floating down the river on its back with an erection, screaming "RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE!" Seriously? LOL
My point is that Bonus AD Events greatly provide higher ROI (Return on Investment, in this case: time). Professions are are a pittance. Any serious AD Farmer would only use professions for creating stuff they can scalp in the AH, not Astral Diamonds. The only people farming AD from professions are players trying all they can to earn AD without buying it, not the "bot" type hardcore AD farmers.
All this just demonstrates the ignorance (that's not a bad word) of so many players and commentators here who only know what they see, but do not know anything about what they do not know.
Thank you - you make my point - and I'm willing to bet you aren't even one of these "nefarious bot-style AD farmer"types that we all think of when we talk about this stuff (I suspect you'd have a lot more than 300k RAW AD). You strike me as a very serious, highly-motivated, hard-working player trying to farm as much AD as you can - legally within the EULA.
This is what I do, though I don't make nearly that much. I'm just now hitting 3 Million and it's been about a week and a half of both professions and Skirmish-farming as often as I can (usually once and sometimes twice a day on only two "throw-away" characters).
However - with prices for things that used to sell for 1 or 2 Million AD now selling for between 6 Million and 30 Million - does anyone actually think I'd want to really increase my AD holdings? I have 30k Zen that I have no interest in converting through ZAX because AD have lost so much value recently. This means at 500/1 I would be losing huge value of Zen just by buying AD through ZAX. Hell, GOLD is becoming more valuable than AD at this point. Yes. Really.
THIS is the problem: Zen is much more valuable than AD right now, so I (and how many others?) won't sell it because I can buy a lot more with my Zen than I could by with 10 Million AD (20,000 Zen at 500/1).
Its stories like this which makes me feel uneasy inside. People who farm legit that are just getting to the low-millions.
Meanwhile, I know a player who earned 50mil yesterday exploiting. He was just trying it out, or at least thats what he claimed.
"Trying it out" is once or twice to see if it really works. 50 million is way past that point lol.
Hi hiu, I feel your concern and disdain for the current situation.
Let me tell what happened a month ago. There were a lot of players who exploited their primary stats and exploited the leaderboard. I wasn't too happy about that, I reported them through the reporting feature and brought the issue up on the forums.
You know what happened? They got all their characters back, none of them were perma-banned. They still have their exploited leaderboard statistics and my account got a temporary ban for bringing the issue up publicly. Cryptic's rules are cryptic's rules I guess and I've since decided to change my approach differently from now on.
First the players must be willing to share those glitches
Sadly, I bet the guy who posted the video yesterday was banned. That is why these things remain in the fringe for so long and no one wants to report it. There are no whistleblower rules on this forum and in the game.
well if you have reported what you know about it, its fine... otherwise not.. and i knew about that "bacon" stat from forum... yeah true story...
i suggest you to use "bacon" instead of "those prohibited words"
Cryptic have proven time and again that they would rather sweep exploit problems under the carpet than confront them head on, and unfortunately this extends to dealing with the culprits. It's like they believe that the publicity generated would be too large a negative regardless of how well received such actions might be by the player base.
Moral cowardice.
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Earlier today, Cryptic Studio banned almost every AD suppliers in Neverwinter. It is the largest ban wave we've seen since Open Beta. To our knowledge, most other shops have problems with supply of their AD too
Taken from one of those nasty sites, so obviously Cryptic is doing something even if we don't know about it.
I actually laughed out loud for real, at work! That is absolutely hillarious, and a great comparison point!
Wow! It would take me 4 months to gain 3 million AD on only two characters!
You've got that right!
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Even if that's true it alone won't fix the problem of hyperinflation and a backlogged ZAX that having this go on for months has caused.
Not immediately, but it should help things long term.
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No it won't. They'll change their bots slightly so that the detection software is evaded, rebuild an army of bots, and we'll be right back here. One wave of banning does nothing.
Lol, the price of things on the ah would just rise right along with it. There would be no difference.
How do you figure? A rising ZAX does not change the demand for wards. As a matter of fact the ZAX and wards used to fluctuate in price relative to each other when the exchange actually functioned. In fact the backlog is causing the rise in AH prices because people like me will not even use the AH to re-sell zen items because the time it takes to convert my AD makes it not worth the flip when I need wards for myself.
I don't see this issue changing soon because Cryptic apparently doesn't have the resources required to track such an obscene amount of exploited AD.
The ZAX has nothing to do with it.
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Because the ZAX attempts to put a small break on the hyperinflation, having the ability to get the item a little cheaper if you are willing to wait keeps the prices down on the ah a little bit. Raise one you will raise the other at this point.
Again.. bots are not the primary cause of this inflation...
Who exploited the ad is the cause, becasue instead of bot which they want to get paid real money for their ad, those who exploited with recent "BUG" they are bying everything and moving items in ah... and lowering the supply of items existing...
who should be banned are those exploiters... but from what i heard seems ppl who own BILIONS of those ad exploited have not been banned...
Yes, gold-seller spam is back and more worryingly their prices are back to what it was before. So I am assuming they have found a new way to generate AD.
Why stop there? How did you come up with THOSE numbers? If we're going to be arbitrary in doing things then let's do it right:
Impose something like a "Wealth Tax". 99.44% of what is in excess of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> AD (eg 100) would make a dint.
Yeah, that would definitely be better. If you're going to punish anyone, then punish everyone.
Because whatever goes around *will* come around.
Is THAT why that happens sometimes? i never knew that. Happens to me ALL the time. i guess i'm too quick on the logout!
No.
I don't really feel the need to expand on that, since the idea is ridiculous.
Remove the exploited AD and be done with it.