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ayroux
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I am just curious as to which you would rather have:
1) More Crytpic released pvp content
2) Foundry enabled PVP
Please no flame...
1) More Crytpic released pvp content
2) Foundry enabled PVP
Please no flame...
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Wanted to see if they JUST had to pick 1 thing to give us due to resources, which would people rather see...
This is exactly where I am honestly.
I would really hate for the "next big pvp patch" to just be like 1 more map. I think the foundry would open up a TON of options and really make the game interesting again...
until then.... watching the clock for Mod 2 which will hold me over for another month or so...
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?111671-Excitement-about-Foundry&p=1592001#post1592001
- JailBreak (in development)
But yeah, the devs seem to have completely forgotten about pvp altogether - any update to pvp content would be appreciated.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?527701-New-Room-Type-Room-Builders!
probably not all the way there yet, but baby steps...
Yeah Ive been following that... I know its a pretty big step but you can see the post dating back to March, says that post release pvp foundry will be added... its been how many months now?
Maybe this is the "pvp content" that AV was talking about in those interviews...
I'd love a dungeon labyrinth map for PvP. Also, something that actually force players to fight each Others to get a point. To avoid matches ending up in a rush to the point where the team with the faster mounts, win.
well... you can't really hold someone to a timeline they didn't actually provide. i'm sure the challenge with making a lot of what players want available is there is so much of it. throw that on top of what they already have planned. and i know it's been said before but part of the reason you have very little dev interaction is for this reason alone... a dev says something and it is interpreted as a promise and when it doesn't happen in what some may consider as a reasonable amount of time, the natives get restless.
i'm all for the potential player made pvp maps will provide... but i'd rather they take their time with it and do it right rather than try to rush it and have all kinds of problems with it. most of the issues with new technology is due to consumer demand and companies trying to meet that demand. it's a terrible cycle.
I've thought about this myself. Judging by the two current PvP domination maps I don't think it would too hard for the devs to make it unexploitable. As it is, the 2 current maps are the castle one and the outside one (don't know the names), the castle one is literally just a mirrored image of itself from point 1 to point 2 and the other is mirrored and flipped.
So all they have to do is make it so you design half the map then give you the options to make the other side mirrored, flipped, or mirrored and flipped. Then just add a max length you can make the maps and a max number of HP pots and it would be easy for anyone to make new PvP maps.
Personaly I think they should add this option to foundry and then make a contest to add the top ten maps as voted by players to the game. Maybe make a simple prize pack and make it so when players are spawned into the maps it states the name of the map and who its designed by.
Honestly, I dont see how it would be "exploitable" tbh. You dont have to award glory for foundry pvp I mean who cares about glory...
Also if its anything like the current foundry it has to be "tested" by what, 5 players? before it goes live... Also, people would either down vote it if it was exploitable AND you cant control what side you get either meaning if the maker made a small "exploit" on the map, there is a 50-50 chance he can use it depending on the side he gets....
The bad maps will get weeded out anyways and I would like to see non-mirrored maps for hopefully some different gameplay....
Overall, if Cryptic didnt feel comfortable with letting people have too much flexibility in this, which seems to be the trend, maybe a good place or an easy place to start would be to just design half a map which gets mirrored for each side....
I already know many PvPers that rarely log anymore because they simply are too bored and too annoyed with lack of content. These are usually the type of player that plays a good game for years and invest themselves into it, if it rises to their expectations, and keep the PvP scene alive by making a pro sport out of it.
Losing such players would be a shame. Player patience is very limited in a market with many offerings. So the answer is to release content now, and if you cannot do it properly with the current resources - hire more.
- Capture the flag (TRs can't go stealth while holding the enemy flag/ GWFs can't go unstoppable, can't sprint or dodge/ teleport. Can still fight). No rush this way, you've to rely on teamwork to win.
- 1v1 arena
- Assault (1 team defend a base, 1 team Attacks. Attackers have to reach the goal in a limited amount of time, for example 10 min)
But i really think that for a good pvp experience item sets should be preset by the company, maybe fix stats while u retain your visuals.
Im right there with you man... And why I think foundry pvp can save this game. Players could make all of those things ideally and more. I think the creative power of the player base is vastly underutilized in this game...
DEVs, take advantage of the players who are willing to do your work for you! Enable Foundry pvp and you will see alot of people play ALOT more.
that would be disadvantageous in the extreme to specific classes, easier solution would be locking down ALL tab and encounter abilities for all classes whilst they hold the flag, then your reliant on people protecting you. Definitely needs more modes like this though would put the fun back into pvp
I would suggest not even letting you attack when holding the flag, all your abilities are on "lock down" and maybe pressing "tab" drops the flag and brings up your normal abilities... No mounts, tab is changed to flag, no shift nothing...
I would also then want to see the flag only can be picked up when out of combat and given a small "channel" of say 2-3 seconds to pick it back up.
I would love to be able to create Foundry PvP maps.
However, there is a fairly large problem.
Once Foundry PvP is a possibility, how do you handle 18,373 PvP maps?
Which ones get used? Can players choose certain maps?
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This is exactly why I created a second thread about this, http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?530291-PVP-in-Foundry-How-would-YOU-do-it
I think the simplest way would be something LIKE:
A Foundry PVP map is created, it goes throug the "short review from volunteers in the community before going "live" process... Im not a foundry creator so I dont know what this looks like... One way it could work here is you could have a large column of maps that are pending review. Anyone at anytime could solo-que for that specific map and check it out and then post a review. Once the map gets a certain number of positive reviews, it is then selected for the "que" system outlined below:
Foundry maps are selected randomly from the approved list and rotate on a week by week basis, maps must get a certain number of positive reviews to even hit the que system. Something like 30-50 are selected for each week, players can either "enable" or "disable" specific maps in the list available for Que. They can "Random Que" or select a specific map to que for.
Que system then takes effect and puts you into a match either for that map or a random map out of the ones you selected as "enabled". At the end of each round, players have the ability to vote on a map and give it rating (1 rating per person like the current system). The top say, 5-10 maps, roll to next week and the rest are either recycled for later with the lowest rated maps getting deleted.
Then week 2 comes in, the top 5-10 rolled from last week and a new 40ish maps are thrown into the possible Que system. Players then can look at the new que list, and either random que or select a specific map to que for out of the "enabled" maps.
This system has a small level of quality control before being available for que and also allows popular maps to repeat.
I would then suggest to the DEVs that overtime if the same popular pvp map keeps rolling week to week, put it into the live domination or (other gametype) que system for live play. Maybe even add some new flavor to it and spice it up a little, or not.
The only issue with this system is players that dont know many people wont be able to pass through the quality control screening and may never have their map hit the que system. Players whose maps are not popular may have their map deleted and would then just have to republish the map.
With the new Ranger class coming this is not really viable seeing as how the Ranger just switches from ranged to melee combat with the tab button
This seems like a better idea.
I agree.
What is beyond me is that this hasnt been implemented yet. I know they just came out with that large room feature which is a huge step towards that. But I mean just let us play with what is available and as they grow the tool so will the pvp maps!
I mean right now there is just not an abundance of meaningful content.
Once you farm your gear, or are a player whose been around since OB like I have, youve done everything there is to do...
I have 4 lvl 60s and about to lvl a 5th just because there is nothing to do. The boons and dailies only last so long, one new dungeon only lasts so long as is apparent with MC.
Alot of the population is dropping off and laying in wait for new stuff, just because there is nothing to do!
Add PVP Foundry maps for fun and ALOT of people will come back to the game and play again.
I know I have been lacking in the time I play lately just because there is nothing to do... Let us make maps that we can then pvp on...
I dont think it would be that hard to make a decent que system and just enable pvp on maps we can create...
Foundry is the absolute best tool available in this game and you aren't even scratching the surface of its abilities for the community. If it's not implemented sooner rather than later, it may be too late.
but regardless of that, cryptic has been adding new content and ability from open beta to now. no, it's not yet capable of creating pvp maps, but if/when that happens, it would make more sense that they add it after adding additional pvp options because as it is right now, pvpers are asking for more options. new pvp maps would just be a different backdrop to the same pvp domination match with the same failed matchmaking system putting better-geared players against newly reached level 60s or premades against PUGs. and the game to date has never been pvp-centric. you can argue that pvp brings in the big bucks, but if that were true, why isn't there any pvp additions in module 2? why are they only starting to discuss new pvp options september/october of this year?
i honestly hope that more pvp options are added. it will add more diversity to the game and that, in my opinion, is where the stronghold exists. will it bring some people back to the game? maybe. people are going to come and go simply because this is a f2p title. it doesn't cost anything to come and try it out. according to demographics, if a player gets a character to level 10, they're likely going to continue playing. for how long, who knows. as far as it being too late, i'm sure for some people, it is already too late. but that's just the nature of this business model. no degree of pvp improvement can change that.
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The issue with the current Foundry ability is not the "content" but the "meaningful Content" Part. The entire basis of content is the rewards like you mentioned. How much would people play new dungeons if they offered no loot? Noone would play them. Thats basically the Foundry for alot of players. Which is why if its not eligible for the daily quest, people dont do it.
Cryptic has been adding new content on a pre-scheduled release. They had been working on both Mod 1 and Mod 2 since prior to the games release and now we are reaching the point where future content will hopefully be based upon player demand such as pvp maps.
My issue with waiting for foundry pvp until after they add/fix things wrong with the current pvp system is the fact that is blantantly obvious pvp is not and will not be a focus of this games resources. So if we charge cryptic with coming up with new stuff its honestly not going to be what we would hope it to be. Now I REALLY hope I am wrong there and they do come up with matchmaking, ranking, and more pvp games/maps. Those things are NOT hard to add to the game, so it makes you wonder why we are so far along in the games progression without any comment about those things, the most ive seen is AV in two interviews mentioned the "pvp community" and "possible expasion" with no details nor comments about what that would look like.
YOU pretty much nailed the two questions, "why isn't there any pvp additions in module 2? why are they only starting to discuss new pvp options september/october of this year?"
- my response, because pvp is not a focus of the games DEVs.
Who can do PVP justice in this game? The players themselves. They already HAVE the tool for this, Foundry, so open it up to players to create maps. Even with the current borken pvp system, it will be MUCH better with foundry as an option, rather than the same two maps we currently have waiting and holding our breath for just 1 more map to surface....
What you NEED for foundry pvp:
1) A Map - Player made (already available in Foundry)
2) Select two spawn points for each team (Easily implemented in Foundry as is)
3) Set the nodes for domination (Easily implemented as well in Foundry)
4) A Que system - as easy as a button for each PVP map that places you in que for tha map, OR a blanket "Random Que" System (Would not be hard to implement at all
DONE.
Then you can expand upon that in the future. Now would there be issues? Sure, but just explain to players that this is something they are giving us as a way for us to have more pvp content as they work on their end to produce more.
This gives players an outlet for pvp now, something to do now, Heck I would even go make a map myself.
Then as they release new game mods and maps, itll be well received, you can even look at popular maps player made for what works and what doesnt work....