I know the health of the bosses of T2 dungeons because I've solo'd them and calculated the damage many times to gain a fair knowledge of how much.
And if you read my entire post, you would also know that I also calculated the health of the head not by ACT but by using an power that deals a specific fixed amount of percentile damage 3% of damage of current HP. That power did 463,104 damage on a head that was untouched with the exception of a one attack to proc the power and the attack to proc it was extremely nominal.
Yes, the heads regenerate. But that does not mean they have 20m HP. That's like saying a I have 40k HP just because I can regenerate my HP and the point of the "Max HP" they have is that if you kill them (all) in the first stage, there is no regeneration so that does not even come into play at all.
Anyways, I sort of diverged from the OP and apologize for that.
Getting back on topic (almost... sorta still off a little) yesterday I fought Tiamat and anytime someone does a "/s STOP" I always respond with a very sarcastic or frankly annoying response towards that individual, something usually along the lines of, "/s NEVER! It's kill or be killed and Tiamat will DIE! Slay the beast! Slay or be slain!" Now, normally my remarks go ignored but last time something very interesting happened and I'm quite proud of THE PEOPLE as a GROUP.
We were fighting the heads during stage one as usual, doing the repeated method of black -> white. And the aforementioned comments occurred. After stage one finished, Black, Greed, and Red were down to 15-20%. Blue was down to ~60%. White hadn't been touched. The individual whom first said, "/s STOP" (btw, I respond sarcastically to that because they don't need to say, it's annoying, so I'll be kind in return to them... anyways...) he said, "KILL THEM ALL". At first I was unsure... so but sure enough, we tried... and we got **** close. 4 heads down and 1 head had like 2%.
The person who first commented made another remark, "oh well, we tried". I responded, "seriously? You're giving up? This can be done. If we all continue fighting." He responded with the usual, "they'll have 25% HP back..." I said, "Yeah, so? We kill them. Like I said earlier, it's kill or be killed and I'm not going down for a fight."
During this little discussion as we were fending off the foes from the clerics, some people had given up. But then after our discussion, most, if not all, had returned to battle and I was genuinely surprised. And with ~10 seconds remaining we had defeated Tiamat even though she returned with 4 of her five heads at 25% health. We all worked together, split up, and got the job done - even with little communication.
Dude you trolled that Tiamat. You turned a sure victory into one that was almost a loss. Stopping and taking another round is good communication. What you did was unacceptable, taking another round for a sure victory is good play.
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Dude you trolled that Tiamat. You turned a sure victory into one that was almost a loss. Stopping and taking another round is good communication. What you did was unacceptable, taking another round for a sure victory is good play.
Read it again. Seth wasn't the one who called the push that didn't work in round two.
I believe his commentary is usually only levelled at people calling to stop when everyone is already stopping. I dunno, probably better safe than sorry on that count anyway.
Read it again. Seth wasn't the one who called the push that didn't work in round two.
I believe his commentary is usually only levelled at people calling to stop when everyone is already stopping. I dunno, probably better safe than sorry on that count anyway.
He said he called out his sarcastic response, which then got someone else going with the same thing. He was a contribution to it at the very least. Because of how sarcasm doesn't transfer in text form, being sarcastic when someone tries to communicate in a pug like that is sabotaging or attempting to sabotage the run.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
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I'm not getting that he said anything at that point. The parenthetical statement appears to be an overall explanation of behavior, not an indicator of anything done at that specific time. I'm not getting the impression that he said anything at all right then, only that the other guy unexpectedly called to keep going instead of stopping.
The person who first commented made another remark, "oh well, we tried". I responded, "seriously? You're giving up? This can be done. If we all continue fighting." He responded with the usual, "they'll have 25% HP back..." I said, "Yeah, so? We kill them. Like I said earlier, it's kill or be killed and I'm not going down for a fight."
During this little discussion as we were fending off the foes from the clerics, some people had given up. But then after our discussion, most, if not all, had returned to battle and I was genuinely surprised. And with ~10 seconds remaining we had defeated Tiamat even though she returned with 4 of her five heads at 25% health. We all worked together, split up, and got the job done - even with little communication.
That guy is an idiot. I've yet to see an instance where we had a viable shot at a phase 2 win that did not have more than enough DPS to clean upin third phase....
I suppose it failed to get cleared at 2nd phase because everyone went for the same head, quite some time is consumed running between heads.
And yea, I also would like to see sometime tactic runs but seems that's not going to happen. The way Tiamat got timed took all the tactics and threw it outta the window to the nearest dumpster.
Out of the mouths of the babes. I do hope that this will reach the devs: removing the consolation prizes will help to deal with AFK problem.
Agreed, the consolation prize has to go. Never should have been in there in the first place. At this point I think it's a moot point, the raid is dying out as it is. Went in at 50 seconds last night and we didn't even have 10 people total for the Tiamat raid.
That's right, 50 seconds left before it began and we couldn't even get a full 25 people in the instance.
Of course it took 17 minutes to get a GG match last night too and I honestly don't think there was a single person on the Luskan side with a GS over 14k.
Agreed, the consolation prize has to go. Never should have been in there in the first place. At this point I think it's a moot point, the raid is dying out as it is. Went in at 50 seconds last night and we didn't even have 10 people total for the Tiamat raid.
That's right, 50 seconds left before it began and we couldn't even get a full 25 people in the instance.
Of course it took 17 minutes to get a GG match last night too and I honestly don't think there was a single person on the Luskan side with a GS over 14k.
That's not because the raid is "dying". If a vacancy occurs in one of the earlier instances, the queue fills those vacancies first before placing players in a new instance. So there were doubtless still people entering the raid, they just weren't being placed into your instance.
That's not because the raid is "dying". If a vacancy occurs in one of the earlier instances, the queue fills those vacancies first before placing players in a new instance. So there were doubtless still people entering the raid, they just weren't being placed into your instance.
Nonetheless the raid is dying just like every other heroic encounter is dead. People will still do the raids for linus favors, dragon eggs and t2 gear but there are less and less instances.
I reckon a lot of them just gave up on dealing with pugs and trying to get all 6 boons.
Nonetheless the raid is dying just like every other heroic encounter is dead. People will still do the raids for linus favors, dragon eggs and t2 gear but there are less and less instances.
I reckon a lot of them just gave up on dealing with pugs and trying to get all 6 boons.
Yup, even without having my boons finished, it's just so hard to get the will up to run this mess. A raid that is a forced complete pug is just about the last thing I could think of as fun.
In the interest of trying to help a tiny bit, let me drop a couple of tips I've learned:
1. For the DC's: if you have it, Anointed Army is a great power to use. During the cleric phase, if your timing is on the ball, it will render everyone nearby immune to the dragon's roar (so the adds don't get free shots on everyone and/or the cleric). Teach yourself to listen to Tiamat: she emits a specific roar just before the BIG one. You'll have to place yourself near the others and anticipate the characteristic sound, but it's a huge help. That's now my go-to power when I'm on my DC.
For the head phase, it's also very useful since it boosts everyone's power and protects them against bites, breath, and adds. If you aren't using it already, I highly recommend practicing with it in Tiamat as it really helps tilt the battle in everyone's favor.
2. For the CW's: please stop it with the Ice Storm. THERE IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION: Arcane Singularity. I've been using it to drag adds off the clerics and it's working *wonderfully*. It not only gets them off the clerics, it bunches them up for everyone else to kill. Furthermore, it does it gradually enough that everyone else can adjust to where the kill zone will be. And, if you're either lucky or have the AD, you can *really* pack a punch by invoking the Token of Chromatic Storm as they're being dragged to the black hole. That combo completely breaks their momentum.
Singularity is also great on the head phase, especially on the black one where the adds can one-shot you after the dragon has debuffed everyone. Listen for the adds' attack and drop the singularity right where everyone is attacking. The adds will get dragged into the kill zone and they'll be instantly annihilated.
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Tiamat is actually not fun for me, too. You are right the Tiamat Bugs should be addressed asap, to counter fight the rage in the community. I think the Devs should introduce a system change that makes AFKing in Tiamat less profitable/ desireable. I had a lot of runs that were losts because the DPS wasn't enough to, at least, half the HP of the red dragon head in the first head phase, so people start to leave/ flame or AFK. If they would stayed and fighted such a run is perfectly doable. I even won runs were we managed to get an additional head phase, which was used to take all heads down and win this.
Also I see a lot of players using the wrong dragon soul, which can lead into a cool down of that dragon soul, when you really need it. And that is even worse because some dragon souls aren't taken by anyone, or at least by nearly anybody. Also almost no one seams to understand how the white dragon soul is working, which is a simple unfreeze to use on freezed players while you are not freezed.
That's why I would like to see a test for colorblindness between the gather phase in the entry room and the actual Tiamat fight. Let's say a short test of 30 seconds and a minute to do it. Everybody failing the test could then be divided equally over all instances to reduce a concentration of them in one instance.
At the moment running Tiamat is undesirable as it fails a lot of times for pure laziness of players and wrong dragon soul uses.
I have never received a reward for being afk in tiamat. If you are afk long enough you are removed anyway. People going afk routinely is very annoying I have to agree. Other times (the few times I have been afk) its for a good reason. For this, I will apologize. I am extremely sorry my life gets in the way of your video game.
Harden up.
I've had some really good runs in Tiamat in the last 3 days or so. Maybe I've just been lucky but it really feels like the thing is settling down and most folk know enough for a comfortable win. Yes, there are still a couple of AFKers but we can cope with a couple. In fact, the only major fail was when the donations hit tier 4. I guess that attracted a whole raft of less-experienced players, the chaos was spectacular. I've also seen much less lag recently. One more Favour and I've got the sixth boon and I will probably stop there for now. Roll on mod 6....
Sorry to burst your bubble but all I saw during the weekend were people asking in zone chat whether ANYONE managed to beat Tiamat lately.
My bubble is just fine, matey. The reason you see only negativity is because only the QQ crowd whine in zone chat. The winners have already left WoD or switched to an ALT because they finished Tiamat a few minutes before the timer ended. Since Friday I have 2 losses and 8 or 9 wins. Thursday was 2 losses and 2 wins. That amounts to plenty of winners lately, despite what the kidz in chat say...
It really ain't rocket science but it does require a bit of nous.
You judge only by your own luck and deem it more reliable of the whole picture than a crowd of players complaining? What a good spirit.
By my experience, the crowd is pretty to the point though.
You judge only by your own luck and deem it more reliable of the whole picture than a crowd of players complaining? What a good spirit.
By my experience, the crowd is pretty to the point though.
Zone chat is full of those that aren't in guild or channel timers. There w/l ratio is going to be bad because they're who the guilds and channels are trying to avoid for good reason.
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Dude you trolled that Tiamat. You turned a sure victory into one that was almost a loss. Stopping and taking another round is good communication. What you did was unacceptable, taking another round for a sure victory is good play.
Read it again. Seth wasn't the one who called the push that didn't work in round two.
I believe his commentary is usually only levelled at people calling to stop when everyone is already stopping. I dunno, probably better safe than sorry on that count anyway.
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He said he called out his sarcastic response, which then got someone else going with the same thing. He was a contribution to it at the very least. Because of how sarcasm doesn't transfer in text form, being sarcastic when someone tries to communicate in a pug like that is sabotaging or attempting to sabotage the run.
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That guy is an idiot. I've yet to see an instance where we had a viable shot at a phase 2 win that did not have more than enough DPS to clean upin third phase....
And yea, I also would like to see sometime tactic runs but seems that's not going to happen. The way Tiamat got timed took all the tactics and threw it outta the window to the nearest dumpster.
Agreed, the consolation prize has to go. Never should have been in there in the first place. At this point I think it's a moot point, the raid is dying out as it is. Went in at 50 seconds last night and we didn't even have 10 people total for the Tiamat raid.
That's right, 50 seconds left before it began and we couldn't even get a full 25 people in the instance.
Of course it took 17 minutes to get a GG match last night too and I honestly don't think there was a single person on the Luskan side with a GS over 14k.
That's not because the raid is "dying". If a vacancy occurs in one of the earlier instances, the queue fills those vacancies first before placing players in a new instance. So there were doubtless still people entering the raid, they just weren't being placed into your instance.
Nonetheless the raid is dying just like every other heroic encounter is dead. People will still do the raids for linus favors, dragon eggs and t2 gear but there are less and less instances.
I reckon a lot of them just gave up on dealing with pugs and trying to get all 6 boons.
Yup, even without having my boons finished, it's just so hard to get the will up to run this mess. A raid that is a forced complete pug is just about the last thing I could think of as fun.
1. For the DC's: if you have it, Anointed Army is a great power to use. During the cleric phase, if your timing is on the ball, it will render everyone nearby immune to the dragon's roar (so the adds don't get free shots on everyone and/or the cleric). Teach yourself to listen to Tiamat: she emits a specific roar just before the BIG one. You'll have to place yourself near the others and anticipate the characteristic sound, but it's a huge help. That's now my go-to power when I'm on my DC.
For the head phase, it's also very useful since it boosts everyone's power and protects them against bites, breath, and adds. If you aren't using it already, I highly recommend practicing with it in Tiamat as it really helps tilt the battle in everyone's favor.
2. For the CW's: please stop it with the Ice Storm. THERE IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION: Arcane Singularity. I've been using it to drag adds off the clerics and it's working *wonderfully*. It not only gets them off the clerics, it bunches them up for everyone else to kill. Furthermore, it does it gradually enough that everyone else can adjust to where the kill zone will be. And, if you're either lucky or have the AD, you can *really* pack a punch by invoking the Token of Chromatic Storm as they're being dragged to the black hole. That combo completely breaks their momentum.
Singularity is also great on the head phase, especially on the black one where the adds can one-shot you after the dragon has debuffed everyone. Listen for the adds' attack and drop the singularity right where everyone is attacking. The adds will get dragged into the kill zone and they'll be instantly annihilated.
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Also I see a lot of players using the wrong dragon soul, which can lead into a cool down of that dragon soul, when you really need it. And that is even worse because some dragon souls aren't taken by anyone, or at least by nearly anybody. Also almost no one seams to understand how the white dragon soul is working, which is a simple unfreeze to use on freezed players while you are not freezed.
That's why I would like to see a test for colorblindness between the gather phase in the entry room and the actual Tiamat fight. Let's say a short test of 30 seconds and a minute to do it. Everybody failing the test could then be divided equally over all instances to reduce a concentration of them in one instance.
At the moment running Tiamat is undesirable as it fails a lot of times for pure laziness of players and wrong dragon soul uses.
Harden up.
My bubble is just fine, matey. The reason you see only negativity is because only the QQ crowd whine in zone chat. The winners have already left WoD or switched to an ALT because they finished Tiamat a few minutes before the timer ended. Since Friday I have 2 losses and 8 or 9 wins. Thursday was 2 losses and 2 wins. That amounts to plenty of winners lately, despite what the kidz in chat say...
It really ain't rocket science but it does require a bit of nous.
By my experience, the crowd is pretty to the point though.
Zone chat is full of those that aren't in guild or channel timers. There w/l ratio is going to be bad because they're who the guilds and channels are trying to avoid for good reason.