Stormwarden Archery Crit build

jonkoca

Just rebuilt my HR as a trapper/combat 50% extra critsev - 230 critsev total - we'll see how it goes. Didn't go archer/combat as I run a trans dread and not a vorpal. I'll post the build if it works.

Sticking with lolset for now.

wdj40

jonkoca said:

Just rebuilt my HR as a trapper/combat 50% extra critsev - 230 critsev total - we'll see how it goes. Didn't go archer/combat as I run a trans dread and not a vorpal. I'll post the build if it works.

Sticking with lolset for now.

This is exactly how I have my HR built on the Xbox at the moment, although I did not go for that high a Crit Sev (but my Dread is only a normal, 1 up from Lesser at the moment). Here is a quick screen shot of how I have my Feat points

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/wdj40/screenshot/4195579

jonkoca

Early days, initial burst is amazing - two shotting most mobpacks in wod with cordon followed by plantgrowth - crits over 150k each way. But I was down on the paingiver in a cn run overall - probably due to missing root ticks.

I'll respecc my feats like yours, to get 5 points back in thorned roots.

Having trouble deciding if and how twin blade storm rank 4 works (getting no icon or screen message), and whether aspect of the pack rank 4 works with a summomed pet (shadow demom) + the offhand bonus.

Any info/solid confirmation welcome.

ps. Loving the new blob of lightning daily, but really missing careful attack. And does seekers vengence offhand dot work without seekers vengence slotted..?

wdj40

Yeah I only switched to Stormwarden a few times and every time I just miss Slasher's Mark and Careful Attack

I`ve not been able to get the same level of damage out of a Stormwarden personally, but there are some amazing ones out there.

jonkoca

Respecced feats to get roots back, no seeming reduction to cds, and damage back up to holyshit levels. 230 critsev, it's like having a dread and a p.vorp stacked.

Slashers I only used in pvp, pve it's a bit of a lagmonster, but I keep reaching for that CA that isn't there...

I am really missing that 10% critchance though. Anyone wanna give me an imperial rage drake..?

jonkoca

Ok. Sadly I'm abandoning the critsev build. Going back to bog-standard trapper pathfinder.

What the critsev build is good for. Sub-10s trashmob clearing. With 3 quick bonding procs, a ring of sudden precision and full critboons you can crank your critchance up past 80% and guarrentee ginormous crits on everything. But if the fight goes on long enough and your buffs fall off, then your dps goes into the toilet. After about 10 cn runs, a couple of etos and a few vilandras and kessels, I'd say my overall paingiver performance was down by roughly a third. Best I managed in cn was 50 million, where before I was hitting between 80 and 90+.

I think the problem is compounded by losing at least 10 points from trapper, specifically serpents bite which adds 10% damage and 5% critchance, and either some of the cooldown reduction feats or thorned roots. Losing ancient roots makes no difference as we always have roots up. And CA if you go SW. CA locks serpents into perma 2 ranged stacks. So really going for the combat critsev is a loss of 15% critchance and not 10%. ie. The rough equvalent of 6000+ crit statpoints, plus a loss of 10% damage.

The only thing I'll miss from Stormwarden is the daily cold steel hurricane.

Ah well. Was a fun 3 days or so, expensive token wise, but fun.

wdj40

I also have felt the same, I just don't feel my Build is as powerful with 15 points into the Combat Tree.

I`m just saving up for a respec token at the moment and will probably try out some other things

It is a shame we do not have 5 extra points, the very next tree in the Combat section would give unresistable damage from melee attacks, would loved to have tried this with Black Ice Set etc.... But if you put points into that 4th tree you can no longer hit the Capstone Master Trapper and you lose points out of Thorned Roots, too much of a loss to the Trapper Tree

It is so hard for me to tell these things on the X1 I wish I had access to a PC and your ACT. Just studying numbers on the screen I can see my Crits are higher with Skirmishers Gambit but I cannot tell where I am possibly loosing DPS.

jhpnw

I should have posted this 2 weeks ago I would have saved you some Greif Jonkoca. I had tried when ist got trans dread the top 3 of Combat feats thinking well with all that Crit Severity I should really do well. For quick encounters dps was up because shadow demon procts 3 bonding really quick but any sustained combat the over all damage was down around 30 %. With Act on an ETOS run I normally do 90mil but with change was down to 57mil had no grasping damage usually around 2 mil and thorn roots were down to about 11% instead of 35%.and the rest was from loss of aots. Instead of over all critting 59% of time it was down to 18% a lot more drop than the 10% you are lead to believe from the feat description

also Aotp works with shadow demon but im not sure rank 4 of it works at all

jonkoca

Ah well, good to have it confirmed anyway. So, combat critsev build blows, and so does archer longshot build.

Seriously, lol, why do those 2 trees even show up. HRs. Only class that has 1 paragon, and one feat tree. Bowandarrowtastic.

beckylunatic

jhpnw said:

also Aotp works with shadow demon but im not sure rank 4 of it works at all

I'm pretty sure I have the 4th pip in AotP and it's not broken, though I would have to check powers to be totally sure I didn't leave it at 3 just in case. I can tell when permanent CA is working because my HR uses a Vicious Dire Wolf as his summon, which prones targets when it has combat advantage. So with AotP slotted, it prones stuff all the time.

wdj40

Just look at the circle around your feet, you can tell when you have AotP active and Combat Advantage as when you are near an Ally the Blue Combat Advantage Circle is all the way around your targets feet. As long as you stay within Range of an Ally that Combat Advantage circle stays around your targets feet, move out of Range of an Ally and you have to position yourself around the enemy like normal.

I have 4 points in AotP on the X1 and can see it works, I presume PC will not be broken if the Xbox is not broken.

jhpnw

Let me rephrase that AOTP rank 4 works as well as rank 3 with a companion without a companion you can see the difference. but I cant see any difference in performance between 3 and 4 so I do not see a need to waste a point to take to rank 4 because im not seeing any change in ACT when respected I tried it at rank 3 several ways and rank 4 the same ways. I did see difference in rank 3 to 4 on AOTLW, AOTS, cordon, fox,hindering,constrict,sezmic and binding which I use
Ara

wdj40

You wont see a damage difference, each Rank increases the Range of AotP not the damage

In addition, according to the Wiki, Aspect of the Pack triggers with Summoned Augments (like the Cat or Chicken) but does not trigger on Ioun Stones.

lirithiel

I did my first test with LM set post-nerf and the bonus is adding 5% to my damage. Didn't do extensive testing but that is 5% more damage than I was doing without the set so I am happy with the way things have turned out.

Also I finally upgraded to 3 Perfect Bonding Runestones so switched back to Lightfoot Thief.

lirithiel

wdj40 said:

You wont see a damage difference, each Rank increases the Range of AotP not the damage

In addition, according to the Wiki, Aspect of the Pack triggers with Summoned Augments (like the Cat or Chicken) but does not trigger on Ioun Stones.

For Trappers the extra range isn't all that important to chase Rank 4, but for Archery it is very important due to Stillness of the Forest.

jonkoca

What offhand bonuses do you run with..? I use cruel recovery in pvp, and atm. AotP for pve - undecided for pve though really, suggestions welcome - pf paragon btw.

wdj40

Me personally I run Cruel Recovery on my Off Hand Water Weapon for PvP. For PvE in my Twisted Weapon I run Aspect of the Serpent in my Off Hand, although I quite literally change it week by week

I only run AotP when I`m running around solo with my Companion.

We have not got the Lightfoot Thief on the xbox yet, why is he so good by the way?

durugudesu

jonkoca said:

What offhand bonuses do you run with..? I use cruel recovery in pvp, and atm. AotP for pve - undecided for pve though really, suggestions welcome - pf paragon btw.

if you can stay near party around 80% of the time, AotP is a good choice for the 8% damage bonus, but if you want a stable damage increase, go for serpent.

jhpnw

If I remember correctly Sandstorm said with full blown trapper feats and AOTS was around 34% damage boost it was months ago, and I am pretty sure but I will check and see. I use aotlw and Aots for PVE and with high deflect it trips 3k damage a lot on delect . PVP varies with high deflect build and mount heals on deflect I run Aotlw and swap between crushing roots or AOTS depending on competitors

bunchofrocks505

i am not sure where i read it (bugforum or here), but pack 4 points seems to act like a pack 1, that is a problem,

did anyone here test/propose a pathfinder archer build somewhere in this thread? careful attack(range35) proccs constant melee-serpent, so that might be an option


EDIT: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1217072/aspect-of-the-pack-rank-4-bugged

apparently rank 4 never really worked, and was just left alone since it was implemented

lirithiel

bunchofrocks505 said:

i am not sure where i read it (bugforum or here), but pack 4 points seems to act like a pack 1, that is a problem,

did anyone here test/propose a pathfinder archer build somewhere in this thread? careful attack(range35) proccs constant melee-serpent, so that might be an option


EDIT: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1217072/aspect-of-the-pack-rank-4-bugged

apparently rank 4 never really worked, and was just left alone since it was implemented

Yes it was only brought to my attention very recently. I had wondered why CA damage wasn't registering but put it down to bad Cryptic UI

Sux having to respec just to lower my powers. Now I have 1 point left over in case they ever decide to Fix Pack R4.

aaramis75

With regards to the AotS 34% comment above, yes rank 4 plus Serpent's Bite should equate to +17% damage at 1 stack, +34% at 2 stacks.

With the constant flux of stacks going between 0 and 2, I'm not sure if we can just average that out as +17% overall boost or not. If Pathfinder, using CA, it gets even trickier to calculate.

Whereas we know Combat Advantage is a flat +15% damage boost - even moreso if you use Blink Dog and Intellect Devourer.

As unorthodox as it may sound, if you drop Serpent's Bite due to the Taco high crit sev build, and you're Storm warden, i wonder if it's even worth running Serpent, and maybe just running Blade Storm + Pack.

troutslayer

lirithiel said:

Yes it was only brought to my attention very recently. I had wondered why CA damage wasn't registering but put it down to bad Cryptic UI

Sux having to respec just to lower my powers. Now I have 1 point left over in case they ever decide to Fix Pack R4.

Is it just Aspect of the Pack that's bugged this way?

wdj40

troutslayer#3410 said:

lirithiel said:

Yes it was only brought to my attention very recently. I had wondered why CA damage wasn't registering but put it down to bad Cryptic UI

Sux having to respec just to lower my powers. Now I have 1 point left over in case they ever decide to Fix Pack R4.

Is it just Aspect of the Pack that's bugged this way?

I doubt it lol, I would not be surprised if a lot of our powers do not work at Rank 4.

I know that Natures Enhancement Feat on the X1 does not work at all for instance.

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kangkeok

krazydog#1509 said:

I find it funny, every time I switch to Pathfinder I do less dps than when I stick with Stormwarden. I honestly don't like Careful Attack and Hunter's Teamwork.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/9987143

wdj40

krazydog#1509 said:

I find it funny, every time I switch to Pathfinder I do less dps than when I stick with Stormwarden. I honestly don't like Careful Attack and Hunter's Teamwork.

I am completely the other way around lol, I have tried many times and many rotations/combos etc in the Stormwarden Path... I love it it is fantastic and very fun, but I cannot get the same level of DPS out of a SW than I can get out of a PF

danielpreece90

Hmm im tempted to run a Dex/int focus on archery cause crit is super easy to get as archery so i may change my wood elf to have dex and int boosts instead

I dont know why but i feel cooldown reduction is needed as archery more so then crit.... Because i can reach high crit rate with feats and paragons alone....so i wanted to do this instead

Power
Recovery
Armor penetration
Critical strike


Also iv been thinking about using these skills to deal high damage with a chain of CC to max the effect

At wills
Split shot/electro shot(safe version)
Rapid fire

Encounters
Rain of arrows
Constricting arrow
Cordon of arrows

Dailies
Disruptive shot
Seismic shot

Passives
Aspect of the pack /twin blade storm
Stormstep action

The idea is to keep everythink together by using cordon>rain>cordon>constricting> repeat

I feel with high cooldown reduction u chain chain this up alot


But would need players to teat this out as im just level 66 now

jhpnw

right nowuntill balancing is done I would not do any thing everything will be a changing again we are far from over as far as archer and combat and hope to see fixes that may be game changing for you

balufunke

Hey guys, I am looking for an update for my HR stormwarden trapper mod 10. I would like to stay stormwarden but have only seen hunter updates yet. Thanks for help in advance.