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Who are they? where did they come from? and what story did they first premier in?
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A full synopsis of Insurrection. Spoiler alert.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Insurrection
Longer Version: Ah'dar Ruafo is a prominent member of this splinter group that attempted to exterminate the rest of his people on the surface with a collector that was to destroy the Metaphasic rings, to his way he felt justified that the people on the surface should suffer the same fate he did and so the conflict began and Ah'dar used Starfleet to do his bidding but that failed due to the fact he just didn't care and murdered an Admiral, however he was more concerned about the Enterprise and Data, he wanted them held in check so his own plans are not revealed for the Metaphasic radiation, the Ba'ku and what he will do next.
It turns out the Son'a created illegal weapons with their unique ships, Isolytic subspace weapons which were banned in the Alpha and Beta quadrants with the Second Khitomer Accords due to their ability to tear open subspace and the damage it causes. During that same time period the Son'a also had an agreement with the Dominion to maufacture Ketracel White for them for the war effort.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
OK, Brent Spiner wanted Data to die even with the Son'a in the script, but whatever.
So imagine, a plot with space amish, Picard dating an immortal boring lady (whose actress managed to convincingly voice the terrifying and totally not boring Mother Gothel in Tangled), Picard choosing 600 people over the billions of victims of the Dominion War, everyone forgetting a planet is huge and thus it's easy to do stuff on the other side without the amish noticing it, a very lame and whiny villain, a useless joystick scene, lots of non-sense and problems with the Son'a's story logic-wise, etc.
And imagine it could have been even worse!
Just one small note: Ah'dar is his rank I think. Since Gallatin identified himself as 'sub-ahdar Gallatin' from 'Son'a Command'.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
And, linking all of that to STO: don't forget the practical impossibility of the Son'a being a major threat.
Though Picard made the right choice. It's not about the numbers, it's about the idea of taking a world from someone just because they have something you want.
And I got the impression that, for Starfleet, keeping the planet intact wouldn't have been a problem. The main problem was that the Son'a didn't have that much time left. So in the end I think it was Dougherty who should be blamed for picking the wrong 'allies' and putting the Federation's future ability to use the particles in their hands basically.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Thank you for the correction
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Haven't seen it in an while but wasn't there also some heavily downplayed plot point that the planet was technically under federation jurisdiction and the space amish just a landed there ~200 years ago? Making all the constantly drawn paralells between them and earth's history kinda mute because they weren't actually natives.
They never mentioned a year IIRC, we only know that Anish was over 300 years old and that the Son'a left in the late 23rd century. So they could well have been there for hundreds of years already.
In general:
Not that it really mattered whether or not they were natives. They were indeed not natives but at that point it really didn't matter anymore. The point was that they would be forcily removed even though they had built an entire society there. And that would just be to satisfy the needs of a small group of Son'a who themselves were to blame for their bad condition.
The Son'a's arrogance were the main reason why they were exiled in the first place. And they hadn't learned from it at all. When they returned because they finally realised what they had had to miss all those years (compare that to Anij's attitude who does appreciate what they had) the first thing they wanted to do was to take everything for themselves, without caring what the effect on others would be.
The fact that the planet wasn't the birthplace of the Ba'ku didn't really matter. The point was that the Son'a could have remained there, but they left because they weren't happy with what they had. And then they returned and wanted even more and keep everything for themselves. Picard was right to oppose Dougherty and the Son'a plans for that reason alone.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Seriously, Federation, just build a facility at the other side of the planet to do your stuff. Cloak it if you even feel the Ba'ku might someday reach you, but jeez, use the MASSIVE empty room it provides you!
Key line in that scene is from Picard.
"Who are we to determine the next course of evolution for these people?!"
THAT I feel is part of the story. Just because we're more advanced, does that give us the right to decide things for another species?
When it comes to the Admiral in Insurrection... the words of Ambassador Londo Mollari come to mind about Arrogance and Stupidity.
One of the Ba'ku even says something about the damage to Data's Positronic Net. Which to me also says they not only have Warp Capability, but experience with Positronic systems, which Starfleet has only Data as a reference due to that kind of system only being used in Soong type Androids.
It was also explained that the Son'a would need many years of normal exposure to the particles (with 'normal' representing them living on the planet) and that most of them wouldn't survive for that long.
That's why they couldn't just live on the other side of the planet and be happy. Basically.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
And besides, it'd still work with the Son'a: harvest some part of the stuff to stay alive long enough to adapt to the planet itself again.
And my post was more about the fact everyone in the movie forgot planets are... how to say it... Freaking HUGE for human-sized beings. Since the Ba'ku reject technology, how would they know someone settled on the other side of their planet? Heck, we have Internet, instant messengers, satellites, powerful surveillance tools... and we still don't know where Carmen Sandiego is.
Now imagine the situation when someone has none of these things while someone else has settled on the opposite side of the planet and has access to cloaking devices.
Dougherty also explained that the process would only work because of the concentrations or amount of particles found on the planet or something like that.
So they couldn't harvest a small amount. And the Federation wouldn't be able to harvest any of it because they needed the Son'a since they had the technology.
Insurrection was full of plot holes, but this dilemma was well explained I thought.
How big the planet was didn't really matter, because they'd need the entire thing for it to quickly rejuvenate people such as the Federation wanted in the Dominion War, or the Son'a who needed ten years of normal exposure to even begin reversing their current bad condition.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Insurrection was post Dominion War. Shortly after. Why risk bringing in a new species that only achieved Warp Capability the previous year in the middle of a war? Post War makes more sense as the Federation would be looking for resources to help rebuild. It was also mentioned that the Son'a were, key word WERE, one of the leading producers of Ketracel White. Also, Enterprise was putting out brush fires apparently, and Picard was worried about an Archaeological dig on a planet getting pushed back into the rainy season. You don't let the flagship go do archaeology during a war.
So Insurrection feels more like a post Dominion War story.
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> Insurrection was post Dominion War. Shortly after. Why risk bringing in a new species that only achieved Warp Capability the previous year in the middle of a war? Post War makes more sense as the Federation would be looking for resources to help rebuild. It was also mentioned that the Son'a were, key word WERE, one of the leading producers of Ketracel White. Also, Enterprise was putting out brush fires apparently, and Picard was worried about an Archaeological dig on a planet getting pushed back into the rainy season. You don't let the flagship go do archaeology during a war.
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> So Insurrection feels more like a post Dominion War story.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Insurrection
Sorry to burst your bubble.
proven by Nemesis
What?!? You better be <19 yrs old to not know that! Go get on Netflix and watch Insurrection!
I swear... kids today...
"We've lived here for 200+ years, but we don't actually own the place." said nobody ever.
(Precedent: countless nations on Earth.)
It is mentioned that it's just a guess, but the most logical one, considering the situation.
Also, there is the part about Worf leaving DS9 to be Ambassador on Qo'noS just after the war, while in the movie, Picard tells him once the mission is over he'll be able to go back to DS9.
Dialogue: "In the past 24 months, they've (Federation) been challenged by every major power in the quadrant. The Borg, the Cardassians, the Dominion."
It would make sense that they wrote the script to be around the time that the 'current events' were happening on DS9. Insurrection released in 1998 and DS9 went to 1999.