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  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I'd like more asexual friendly zones. Thanks. I'd also like to announce the creation of my new asexual friendly fleet called "Don't Touch Me".
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Those who know me know that I am a long-time player of STO, a big supporter of all the recent game changes implemented by the devs, and a massive Trek fan. It should come as little surprise to anyone that I am loving all these updates -- starting with LoR, they have ALL been grand slams, as far as I can see. The devs have continually hit it out of the park with season 8, 8.5, 9, and this last update. Thanks for all your time and effort, Devs, your hard work is definitely being noticed on my end.

    However...I am a little hesitant to jump on the whine-wagon, but the RP-friendly options, especially the social zones, have left me just a little cold. For awhile, I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but I think I have a pretty good handle on what's been bothering me: I don't feel comfortable in the social areas provided by STO as of now. I LOVED Club 47, and I cannot WAIT for the revamped version. The first one was absolutely fabulous, and I miss it sorely. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: STO needs some more LGBT-friendly options. I want seductive dances for males. I want mankinis. I want some "safe" social areas where people can come and RP with like-minded players without the constant harassment and tired threats.

    How about it, Devs?

    You've been nailing it so far, let's keep this going!

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  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    From what you're saying Nabreeki, sounds like more than anything, cryptic just needs to hire in game GM's that patrol the social zones and make sure players aren't harassing anyone. I thought that was a thing in MMOs?
    And RP'ing as sexually active Caitians...I guess there's some interesting things going on in game that I had no clue about...
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Let me back up a bit: I didn't necessarily mean LGBT ONLY segregated zones, and perhaps the solution isn't in the zone itself, but in the atmosphere.

    A couple posts above made in jest seem to underline the very thing I'm talking about. While people don't seem to bat an eye when two Orions (played by men, mind you) decide to be in-game "lesbians" (most likely for ERP reasons, but let's run with this), but I've found that openly TRIBBLE RP in STO still attracts quite the comments from other players, and very negative ones at that. There are people in the game who openly RP as sexually active Catians (not a dig at Ashkrik, talking in generalities here), have "Gorn" fetishes (yes, that's a thing, apparently), but the hostility I've witnessed to openly TRIBBLE RP is appalling.

    I guess I'm talking less about zone and more of an effort by STO to be more inclusive, and that starts with preconceived notions of "manliness" that are often promoted by games. Look at the stances you have available as a male -- brawler, swagger, etc. Why not have a seductive or cute pose for men (and why not, conversely, have a brawler stance for females)?

    Why not offer more revealing clothing for males? Maybe a few male dancers up on stage? Or male prostitutes hanging out in the alleys of QoNos?

    Maybe the answer lies with better enforcement of the TOS in regards to legitimate discrimination against sexual preference (though, I see plenty of horrible religious, racial, sexual comments in the game with no apparent consequence, either).

    I thought your previous attempts at trolling were bad, but this takes the cake. Bravo.
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  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Hmmm male prostitutes in the allies of Qo'nos. Makes me think of a nice older lady in my fleet that plays the game with eight year old son who has an account.

    Mom: "Whatever you do son, don't go down those alleys over there".
    Son "Why mom, what's over there?"
    Mom "Nothing you need to see and I'm telling you now; you're not to go down there"
    The next day
    Son "Mom! Mom! There boy's dressed like girls in there!?? Why are those boys dressed like that?"
    Mom "What?! Where?! Tell me you didn't go into the alley. I told you not to."
    Son "A man in there talked to me and said he wanted to toss my salad. Mom why would he want to toss my salad. I don't have a salad."
    Mom "Well, eight year old son, those boys dressed like girls are male prostitutes, and they dress like that to attract other men so they'll give them money to have sex with them. And the term toss your salad refers to..."
    Son: *cries hysterically and rocks back and forth*
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    If people want that..they need to go to some other game like Second Life. I hear it's bad there...
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    I have made previous references to you as a "furry" in other threads and I wanted to make it explicitly clear that I didn't mean to make a jab at you since you came in this thread and posted a legitimate question. Get over yourself, my man, not everything is meant as a personal slight.

    You sure you didn't mean to make it a jab. I know how this works. It's been done before with the "furry" labeling.
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  • sheracsherac Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Those who know me know that I am a long-time player of STO, a big supporter of all the recent game changes implemented by the devs, and a massive Trek fan. It should come as little surprise to anyone that I am loving all these updates -- starting with LoR, they have ALL been grand slams, as far as I can see. The devs have continually hit it out of the park with season 8, 8.5, 9, and this last update. Thanks for all your time and effort, Devs, your hard work is definitely being noticed on my end.

    However...I am a little hesitant to jump on the whine-wagon, but the RP-friendly options, especially the social zones, have left me just a little cold. For awhile, I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but I think I have a pretty good handle on what's been bothering me: I don't feel comfortable in the social areas provided by STO as of now. I LOVED Club 47, and I cannot WAIT for the revamped version. The first one was absolutely fabulous, and I miss it sorely. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: STO needs some more LGBT-friendly options. I want seductive dances for males. I want mankinis. I want some "safe" social areas where people can come and RP with like-minded players without the constant harassment and tired threats.

    How about it, Devs?

    You've been nailing it so far, let's keep this going!


    Well aren't you sucking on the teet?

    In my many many years of MMO experience, I can't say I've ever witnessed a brown noser that was quite as full of dung as you seem to be from this post. Come to think of it I've almost never seen anyone that thinks every update/change is perfect. Either you're on drugs, or some kind of shill.
  • acrosscatacrosscat Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Let me back up a bit: I didn't necessarily mean LGBT ONLY segregated zones, and perhaps the solution isn't in the zone itself, but in the atmosphere.

    A couple posts above made in jest seem to underline the very thing I'm talking about. While people don't seem to bat an eye when two Orions (played by men, mind you) decide to be in-game "lesbians" (most likely for ERP reasons, but let's run with this), but I've found that openly TRIBBLE RP in STO still attracts quite the comments from other players, and very negative ones at that. There are people in the game who openly RP as sexually active Catians (not a dig at Ashkrik, talking in generalities here), have "Gorn" fetishes (yes, that's a thing, apparently), but the hostility I've witnessed to openly TRIBBLE RP is appalling.

    I guess I'm talking less about zone and more of an effort by STO to be more inclusive, and that starts with preconceived notions of "manliness" that are often promoted by games. Look at the stances you have available as a male -- brawler, swagger, etc. Why not have a seductive or cute pose for men (and why not, conversely, have a brawler stance for females)?

    Why not offer more revealing clothing for males? Maybe a few male dancers up on stage? Or male prostitutes hanging out in the alleys of QoNos?

    Maybe the answer lies with better enforcement of the TOS in regards to legitimate discrimination against sexual preference (though, I see plenty of horrible religious, racial, sexual comments in the game with no apparent consequence, either).

    Man, no kidding. Players cater to themselves for the L and B (and undoubtedly the T, heyo), but I have to agree with Nabreeki that the G in LGBT is tends to get shut down rather viciously by a substantial amount of people, even in my usually casual circle of roleplayer acquaintances.

    ...I quickly have learned to avoid such closed-minded folks.

    But hey, I'm all up for more customization options for characters. Especially such as those that are actually easily implemented, just a transference of animation sets between character genders.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm going to take the opposing point of view here, as respectfully as I can.

    I'll be honest and say straight up that I would be one of those who would be very uncomfortable with what Nabreeki is proposing.

    First, I'm sure I would cringe at a male character that used the "cute" stance*. But beyond that, why reinforce the stereotype that a TRIBBLE man has to be effeminate? And why would the male equivalent of seductive look exactly like the female version? Aside from the fact that it would probably look utterly stupid on the male frame as a direct port-over. I have the same issues with the skant. Revealing outfits for guys should look like they were made for guys.

    Don't get me started on bikini/mankini wear off Risa. I don't want to see that running around ESD as if it's a beach resort, male or female. It's an official hub of the Federation and Starfleet, for crying out loud. Over on Drozana, that I could maybe see.

    Creation of a social area just for the LGBT player base is also not a feasible idea. The Devs are not going to provide special areas for different cultural groups because a) it directly contradicts the idea that the Federation society is inclusive and no one group is favored over another, and b) there is no end to the number of different cliques that would want their own special zones too.

    Zone chat is what it is. I tend to tune it out because the odds are really high that I'm going to be disgusted with somebody's remarks, sooner or later. It's appalling on so many levels. But even there, it's inclusive. Anybody with a comment is free to offer it up and probably get away with it, whether it's homophobic, anti-religious, politically-incorrect, you name it.

    Is that okay? Certainly not. But I don't see that there are too many ways to control that except to avoid it as best as you can.

    EDIT: * The female cute stance looks bad enough. Really unnatural, IMO.
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  • savnokasavnoka Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I have to admit to some level of curiosity as to exactly how such ... proposals ... would be carried out.

    I'm more concerned, however, with the continuous level of resistance that all involved parties seem to have towards reality.

    LBGT people are not going to magically vanish, no matter how much some of you wish they would.

    Some people are never going to accept LBGT people no matter what mandates are handed down. It's been over 40 years since the civil rights movements and there are people who still think black and Latino people are subhumans.

    Catering to the demands of one group only incites others who dislike that group to greater heights of dislike and lulz, which have already infested this game enough.

    I would hope that if LGBT people are going to demand specific emotes, locales, clothing options and the like that

    a) these will not be implemented until CORE portions of factions (Klingons and Romulans) have already been fitted out with such things and that

    b) people will use these things in a manner that is respectful to those who disagree with their lifestyle.


    I do not think LGBT people should be forced into a closet, IRL or even in games. I do not have a problem, on the face of it, with the OP's suggestions. However, I feel there are a great many immature and ... er, less than salubrious actions that could be taken by certain groups of people if the proposal isn't put together properly.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    So you go from breaking the forums TOS in one thread, to breaking the forums TOS in the other by posting a "name and shame" post (or did you conveniently "miss" that rule also) with unsubstantiated bluster. These outrageous accusations against myself and my fleet are, of course, beneath me, and I will not address them head-on.

    Interesting way to avoid the truth.
    But, since you have apparently "turned the other cheek" so to speak, I've always been willing to forgive and forget.
    Since this seems to be sincere at the moment, I'll second your suggestion with a caveat,

    No specific place needs to be created, just add a few Uni-sex clothing options and stances.

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  • havokreignhavokreign Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    daveyny wrote: »
    No specific place needs to be created, just add a few Uni-sex clothing options and stances.
    nabreeki wrote: »
    This is fair enough. In all honesty I am really not asking for a lot.

    Approves.

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  • acrosscatacrosscat Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm a little unclear with the nomenclature you younguns use today. I've got hairy arms, legs, back, and chest. Does that mean I'm furry, or just uncomfortable in humid weather? :confused:

    Furry these days usually refers to people online portraying animals that stand upright and that think they are people in their roleplaying shenanigans.
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  • rondorarondora Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I am surprised this has not been mentioned yet as a solution to your request, make your own chat channel to do this rp in if you don't like what people are saying to you in zone chat when doing this. i respect your right to be able to do this sort of thing but you should also be respectful of my right to be able to go through a zone and not see chat in there about someone sticking there tentical (or whatever you have) into some other being or whatever sexual RP you wish to do.

    hugging, kissing, holding hands and what not in chat i am fine with, you want to rp past that point get a dang channel going outside public chat, just like i would tell you in RL. i don't expect to someone throwing it into someone in the grocery store just like i don't expect to see that when standing in the exchange.
  • rondorarondora Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    I am not condoning -- nor have I EVER condoned -- explicitly sexual RP in public zones. I like how everyone is automatically jumping there, though, it's pretty telling. Being openly TRIBBLE, in RL or RP, doesn't begin or end at mere physical sexual encounters. I hope you'll be able to see past that pretty shallow assessment in the future. Thanks for your ill-informed input.


    i like how you skipped over where i said you can do anything non sexual you want in public chat and i have zero issue with it.

    you want to run around in a speedo have at er, you want the ability to where female cloths have at er , you want to talk about how you think that lizard over there is hot stuff, again have at er, you want to discuss any other topics that you feel are aligned with your preferences then have at er, you wish to discuss how when you got home the other day the tribble you are dating got you something nice, go right ahead.

    in general you want to do anything you feel is involved with RPing or being openly TRIBBLE then go to town i don't care.



    what subjects do you feel you cant discuss that are openly TRIBBLE and you get issues over in chat?

    What would make this game more open than it already is?

    You say you have never condoned openly sexual things in chat i never said you did, i was explaining in the most briefest of terms as to what is and is not acceptable in public chat and sighted examples of things i have seen in esd chat and other zones.
  • dgdolphdgdolph Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Those who know me know that I am a long-time player of STO, a big supporter of all the recent game changes implemented by the devs, and a massive Trek fan. It should come as little surprise to anyone that I am loving all these updates -- starting with LoR, they have ALL been grand slams, as far as I can see. The devs have continually hit it out of the park with season 8, 8.5, 9, and this last update. Thanks for all your time and effort, Devs, your hard work is definitely being noticed on my end.

    trolling like a real dental - awesome :D
  • mithrosnomoremithrosnomore Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I think that "seductive" clothing is unsuitable for the game setting. This isn't "Leisure Suit Larry: The MMO", it's Star Trek.

    Bathing suits should be restricted to the beaches of Risa if they need to exist at all.

    Uniforms and whatever other off-duty clothing should be tastefully done.

    If we are all just people, which I thought was the point, then there shouldn't be a need for any "LGBT" options because whatever options there are cover everyone.

    You want to dance with someone of the same gender? Knock yourself out.
  • notorycznynotoryczny Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    [...]unsubstantiated bluster. These outrageous accusations against myself and my fleet are, of course, beneath me, and I will not address them head-on.

    Well no. I was a frequent Drozana visitor (way before its remodelling) and saw members of your fleet standing on the bar, spinning with extinguisher turned on. I saw claims of Drozana being your property now (again, by member of your fleet, not by yourself). My fleetmates felt harassed to the point we stopped meeting there. Many of your fleetmates were added to ignorelist on sight, just because of that kind of behavior.

    So here is your "unsubstantiated bluster".
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  • talore003talore003 Member Posts: 49
    edited August 2014
    I find it amusing to see a member of Dental claiming to be an RPer or LGBT friendly. :D
    You guys must be bored...

    As for the topic of the post I don't think anyone needs special snowflake treatment. All the areas in game are for everyone to use no matter what orientation don't like to bad for whoever. :rolleyes:
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talore003 wrote: »
    I find it amusing to see a member of Dental claiming to be an RPer or LGBT friendly. :D
    You guys must be bored...

    As for the topic of the post I don't think anyone needs special snowflake treatment. All the areas in game are for everyone to use no matter what orientation don't like to bad for whoever. :rolleyes:

    Well it's obvious its a bait thread.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talore003 wrote: »
    You guys must be bored...

    This is the correct answer.
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Have you tried going to Starbase 381?

    Or did you get banned for exceeding the maximum height requirements?

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  • talore003talore003 Member Posts: 49
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Have you read the forums here on the STO official game forums? Nearly every single thread is asking for special snowflake treatment.

    "I don't suck at the game, everyone else sucks at healing. Fix it so I can win."

    "I can't wear my bikini on Vulcan. Fix it."

    "I want the Devs to send me personalized e-mails detailing every thing they've done in the past 24 hours."

    Why not me?

    I did not say that you couldn't ask. :D

    I just said no one should get special snowflake treatment hehe. Anyway think I will go play instead of hanging out on a joke thread lol. It was slightly amusing! :D
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,903 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    personally, I do not understand why the push for a social agenda that really does not belong in the game. if you want to RP your lifestyle, fine there are a ton of dead social zones out there. go make out on an andorian ice bluff or play grab a** on Bajor.

    but to beg the game to suit what is less than 4% of the population is ridiculous and IMHO a blatant attempt to bring real world politics into STO and the forums
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  • mithrosnomoremithrosnomore Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Think you completely missed the point and spirit of the thread. Please take time to actually read the discussion. Thanks.

    I did that.

    Thank *YOU* for being condescending.
  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nabreeki wrote: »

    I am asking for more variety of emotes/costumes for male characters and a little more vigilant enforcing of the TOS in regards to discrimination.

    I recently attended a public screening of "Encounter at Farpoint" at the Black Cat here in Washington D.C. The crowd cheered as loudly for the guy wearing the skant as it did when Patrick Stewart appeared on the screen. So I think your requests are perfectly within the spirit of Star Trek and Star Trek fandom; and I wholeheartedly agree in your views that LGBT discrimination should be vigilantly opposed in the game.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
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    This thread has now most definitely run its course. We don't allow hostility, badgering, trolling, flaming, mocking, insulting or any other behavior that constitutes a "forum disturbance".

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