If you like. However, my example was more akin to the T2 version of the Connie. Your character gets a downgraded (older) version of the T5+ ships. Also, I did a tac, eng, sci threesome. The Galor would have been the sci variant.
Speculation #1: The Dominion is coming, not to invade, but to ask for help!
This is my expectation. I also expect a Vorta to say something along the lines of "We helped you fight the Iconians, now it's time you repaid us" or, if it's that one still-bad Iconian that the Dominion needs help with "It's your fault we're in this mess, now come through the wormhole with us and fix it!"
-Even Mirror Leeta is only the way she is because that is literally how her whole universe is. She isn't just evil and ruthless for the sake of it, she is that way because that is how everyone there is raised to act.
Also... she was possessed by the Pah-Wraiths...
Well there is that too.That made her problems worse, but it wasn't the main problem.
Despite being Evil, the Pah-Wraith seem unable to possess an unwilling host. Which means Leeta WANTED it.
I'm hoping Mirror Leeta is still in the Badlands twirling her metaphorical moustache.
I would like Ms. Masterson to reprise her role as the First First Lady of Ferenginar, though. Imagine, in a single generation of perhaps a billion Ferengi, all of the girls will have something they never had before: a role model.
Domestic Emancipation means more than wearing clothing in public. How, exactly, is a female supposed to act in public? So far their only example has been the example of the males who dominated them. Quark's mother and Quark's business partner are examples of the old way of Ferengi females pretending to be males, or at least emulating them. Young girls growing up under Negus Rom finally have an example of a female they can emulate.
Of course, this does open up the potential for fierce competition in the garments industry as every Ferengi female on the planet has to buy the latest fashion as seen on The Wife Of The Grand Negus.
Despite being Evil, the Pah-Wraith seem unable to possess an unwilling host. Which means Leeta WANTED it.
Again, while true, that still wasn't the main source of her actions.
Mirror Leeta wasn't a living sock puppet for the Pah-Wraith when we met her during the Cardassian Struggle arc, it was only after that, but sometime before the Iconian War, that she gained that status.
She was still evil back then due to that being how her whole universe is, rather then because of the Pah-Wraiths or w/e.
That's what I was getting at... She's never been a sockpuppet. She allowed them to do it because she was already evil.
I'm hoping Mirror Leeta is still in the Badlands twirling her metaphorical moustache.
I would like Ms. Masterson to reprise her role as the First First Lady of Ferenginar, though. Imagine, in a single generation of perhaps a billion Ferengi, all of the girls will have something they never had before: a role model.
Domestic Emancipation means more than wearing clothing in public. How, exactly, is a female supposed to act in public? So far their only example has been the example of the males who dominated them. Quark's mother and Quark's business partner are examples of the old way of Ferengi females pretending to be males, or at least emulating them. Young girls growing up under Negus Rom finally have an example of a female they can emulate.
Of course, this does open up the potential for fierce competition in the garments industry as every Ferengi female on the planet has to buy the latest fashion as seen on The Wife Of The Grand Negus.
And now I'm imagining mirror Leeta in that role....
Loriss? She's not available, she's my Vorta Aliengen Romulan Engineering Character. Some of her clones are Bridge Officers on most of my other Characters.
I thought about doing that but I suck at the character creator and she is too cool to be done badly by me at any rate so I did not bother. I really hope they bring her back and she is a core character in whatever story line they use and maybe, just maybe we can get her as BO! That would be greatness....
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What villain in STO, besides Hakeev, and maybe the Breen, has actually been two dimensional?
-B'vat did what he did because he knew what would happen in the future, and thus, was maintaining the time stream.
-The Devidians did what they did because that is how they naturally eat.
-Sela did what she did because she, like most Romulans, had been effectively brainwashed since birth to believe those sort of things were necessary to maintain her people.
-Obisek became a terrorist because Hakeev was trying to hunt his people to extinction.
-The True Way believed their way was the only way Cardassians could survive due to the harsh environment of their world.
-Laas's hatred of solids was based on the same prosecution the other Changelings suffered at the hand of solids, and the rest of the New Link were duped by him.
-The 2800 were unaware they had been trapped in the wormhole for decades, and thought the war was still going on.
-The Borg are a hive mind species with no free will of their own, and are thus unable to stop doing the things they were effectively programmed to do ages ago.
-The Tholians have been shady, but STO has long suggested they are secret good guys, trying to maintain time itself.
-The Voth only wanted the omega particles to save themselves from a losing war with the Borg.
-The Undine were duped by the Iconians, and then pushed into it more by Undine Cooper who feared the Iconian's power. After being shown the truth, they promptly stopped.
-The Vaadwaur had been tricked by Gaul, who had allowed the Iconians to infiltrate their species. Gaul himself really only wanted to get his people back from a bunch of space necromancers, and to rebuild his civilization which had been wiped out.
-The Iconians were bitter that the races they had spent millennia protecting and helping betrayed them in an attempt to take their technology for themselves, a betrays that was only made worse when the few Iconians who survived lost their world heart, the datacore that contained all the information of their people, which meant they had no means to rebuild themselves on another world.
-The factions of the Temporal Cold Wars all had been screwed over by the Alliance's use of time travel, but were then prevented from trying to undo that because the Alliance deemed it a "necessary" action to maintain their idealized version of the future.
-Even Mirror Leeta is only the way she is because that is literally how her whole universe is. She isn't just evil and ruthless for the sake of it, she is that way because that is how everyone there is raised to act.
It's really not a trend in STO at all.
A most excellent post... I was just thinking about how long a comprehensive post would be - now I know...
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Loriss? She's not available, she's my Vorta Aliengen Romulan Engineering Character. Some of her clones are Bridge Officers on most of my other Characters.
I thought about doing that but I suck at the character creator and she is too cool to be done badly by me at any rate so I did not bother. I really hope they bring her back and she is a core character in whatever story line they use and maybe, just maybe we can get her as BO! That would be greatness....
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I made a duplicate for a Foundry project. (Diplomacy in the Gamma Quadrant, KDF)
What villain in STO, besides Hakeev, has actually been two dimensional?
-B'vat did what he did because he knew what would happen in the future, and thus, was maintaining the time stream.
-The 2800 were unaware they had been trapped in the wormhole for decades, and thought the war was still going on.
-The Tholians have been shady, but STO has long suggested they are secret good guys, trying to maintain time itself.
-The Voth only wanted the omega particles to save themselves from a losing war with the Borg.
-The factions of the Temporal Cold Wars all had been screwed over by the Alliance's use of time travel, but were then prevented from trying to undo that because the Alliance deemed it a "necessary" action to maintain their idealized version of the future.
It's really not a trend in STO at all.
A few thoughts on your list.
Hakeev, may be mustache twirling villainy. But looking at human history he seems no better or worse than some who rose to power in oppressive regimes. I am not saying he is sympathetic. But generally two dimensional carries a connotation of unrealistic. And sadly he seemed realistic. And hate worthy.
B'vat seemed like some spin master or at least thought he was. Then when you reach the end of his arc. . . I really wanted to take him home to the right timeline since he was just sacrificing himself to put things right. I mean how many of his plans were to ensure the Fed PC followed him so they fulfilled their destiny?
2800 would have ended peacefully except the female changling was as heavy handed, and unthinking as she was during the Dominion war.
Tholians. Boy do they need to work on communication skills. If they are working to keep the timeline safe then they really need to tell people first instead of shooting first.
The Voth leadership is so blinded by using doctrine to maintain its dominance over the population they refuse to learn anything. The Voth people in general seem to be decent if allowed to be.
I hope you discount the Vorgons. Heck the Krenim seemed divided since some remain loyal and some followed Noy. Mirror Leeta. . . Not seeing how our war affected her. Pretty much seems to be the Builders and Noy to me. And personally I think Noy got played.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Loriss understood that many years probably went by since she got her orders and was trying to contact the Gamma Quadrant for updates to no avail. She would not disobey her orders unless a Founder said so. Hence, our missions.
It was Kar'ukan who was the stubborn holdout. He would not even follow Founder's orders.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I don't know why everyone thinks the Hur'q are included. Maybe I missed something. I think a playable Dominion faction is unlikely since the beginning level missions wouldn't track well and all the other factions eventually get funneled into established missions.
A Gamma expansion would be cool since there's a lot we don't know about the region beyond the Dominion. Lots of room for new ideas.
I'd like to see T'Ket reappear, but it would be neat if they don't kill her off. I'd like to see her as an anti-Q that makes occasional appearances only to be foiled and return down the road with a new scheme. A consistent villain with time set aside to become more than a thug would be awesome.
A Gamma expansion with T'Ket as the villain, and Odo has convinced the Founders to give solids a second chance. We team up with attaches to the Dominion and learn about the quadrant while they learn about us. In the end, the Dominion joins the alliance.
I always figured the Hur'q were linked to the Iconians and maybe ARE the Iconians but their initial invasion of Qo'noS failed. Stream of consciousness: what if the Hur'q are an offshoot of the Iconians that T'Ket brings to her side?
Nah, it'll just be shooting dominion ships in orbit, beaming down to shoot Jem'Hadar, and beaming back to shoot ships.
And Martok is a channeling. I bet 5 space monies on it.
The map has The Dominion situated around the wormhole, with the Hur'q to the east. If The Dominion existed as a military power at the time, how did the Hur'q make consistent use of the wormhole for at least several generations?
I'm wondering about the Dominion's version of history. Perhaps The Hur'q were the cause of the xenophobia of The Founders, and they are hiding the fact that they were technologically inferior to the solids who waged war around them until they used Hur'q DNA to create the Jem Hadar, which was then used to commit genocide on the Hur'q and subsequently control the Solids in their sphere of interest.
This would also be about the time Odo and company were sent out into the galaxy. Was this Changeling curiosity? Or a strategy to prevent the extinction of their species?
My guess is...another group of renegade Jem Hadar found another Iconian Gateway and have already started using it successfully to bring down the Dominion. A task force is sent to DS9 to enlist the aid of the Federation/Klingons/Romulans to help contain/eliminate the problem. T'ket may be involved. Perhaps she's convinced the renegade Jem Hadar that the Founders aren't really gods at all...but she is.
The Dominion could be coming to stop the Laas' New Dominion.
Laas met with Odo on Koralis III in 2384, but refuses Odo's invitiation to return to the Gamma Quadrant. Laas goes on his own to search for other Founders in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. In 2398, Laas and two other shapeshifters arrived in the Devos system. This was observed by Starfleet Intelligence personnel. In 2400, the Founders release a message stating any Alpha and Beta Quadrant shapeshifters operating outside the Founders are rogue; the message may have been directed toward Laas. (ST website: The Path to 2409)
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If you like. However, my example was more akin to the T2 version of the Connie. Your character gets a downgraded (older) version of the T5+ ships. Also, I did a tac, eng, sci threesome. The Galor would have been the sci variant.
This is my expectation. I also expect a Vorta to say something along the lines of "We helped you fight the Iconians, now it's time you repaid us" or, if it's that one still-bad Iconian that the Dominion needs help with "It's your fault we're in this mess, now come through the wormhole with us and fix it!"
Agrathi Patrol Craft
T-Rogaran Interceptor
Wadi Starship
Dosi Cargo Vessel
Karemman Freighter
Rakhari Trader
Skreean Grain Ship
Hunter Pursuit Vessel
Paradan Survey Vessel
Teplan Hospital Ship
I'm betting a Ferengi has acquired an abandoned outpost or two to use as trade hubs, so Ferengi ships wouldn't be uncommon.
Edited to get back in the right quadrant.
My character Tsin'xing
I would like Ms. Masterson to reprise her role as the First First Lady of Ferenginar, though. Imagine, in a single generation of perhaps a billion Ferengi, all of the girls will have something they never had before: a role model.
Domestic Emancipation means more than wearing clothing in public. How, exactly, is a female supposed to act in public? So far their only example has been the example of the males who dominated them. Quark's mother and Quark's business partner are examples of the old way of Ferengi females pretending to be males, or at least emulating them. Young girls growing up under Negus Rom finally have an example of a female they can emulate.
Of course, this does open up the potential for fierce competition in the garments industry as every Ferengi female on the planet has to buy the latest fashion as seen on The Wife Of The Grand Negus.
My character Tsin'xing
I thought about doing that but I suck at the character creator and she is too cool to be done badly by me at any rate so I did not bother. I really hope they bring her back and she is a core character in whatever story line they use and maybe, just maybe we can get her as BO! That would be greatness....
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Original Cryptic Forum Name: Spartan (member #124)
The Glorious, Kirk’s Protegè
A most excellent post... I was just thinking about how long a comprehensive post would be - now I know...
ingame: @.Spartan
Original Cryptic Forum Name: Spartan (member #124)
The Glorious, Kirk’s Protegè
I made a duplicate for a Foundry project. (Diplomacy in the Gamma Quadrant, KDF)
My character Tsin'xing
A few thoughts on your list.
Hakeev, may be mustache twirling villainy. But looking at human history he seems no better or worse than some who rose to power in oppressive regimes. I am not saying he is sympathetic. But generally two dimensional carries a connotation of unrealistic. And sadly he seemed realistic. And hate worthy.
B'vat seemed like some spin master or at least thought he was. Then when you reach the end of his arc. . . I really wanted to take him home to the right timeline since he was just sacrificing himself to put things right. I mean how many of his plans were to ensure the Fed PC followed him so they fulfilled their destiny?
2800 would have ended peacefully except the female changling was as heavy handed, and unthinking as she was during the Dominion war.
Tholians. Boy do they need to work on communication skills. If they are working to keep the timeline safe then they really need to tell people first instead of shooting first.
The Voth leadership is so blinded by using doctrine to maintain its dominance over the population they refuse to learn anything. The Voth people in general seem to be decent if allowed to be.
I hope you discount the Vorgons. Heck the Krenim seemed divided since some remain loyal and some followed Noy. Mirror Leeta. . . Not seeing how our war affected her. Pretty much seems to be the Builders and Noy to me. And personally I think Noy got played.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
My character Tsin'xing
It was Kar'ukan who was the stubborn holdout. He would not even follow Founder's orders.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
A Gamma expansion would be cool since there's a lot we don't know about the region beyond the Dominion. Lots of room for new ideas.
I'd like to see T'Ket reappear, but it would be neat if they don't kill her off. I'd like to see her as an anti-Q that makes occasional appearances only to be foiled and return down the road with a new scheme. A consistent villain with time set aside to become more than a thug would be awesome.
A Gamma expansion with T'Ket as the villain, and Odo has convinced the Founders to give solids a second chance. We team up with attaches to the Dominion and learn about the quadrant while they learn about us. In the end, the Dominion joins the alliance.
I always figured the Hur'q were linked to the Iconians and maybe ARE the Iconians but their initial invasion of Qo'noS failed. Stream of consciousness: what if the Hur'q are an offshoot of the Iconians that T'Ket brings to her side?
Nah, it'll just be shooting dominion ships in orbit, beaming down to shoot Jem'Hadar, and beaming back to shoot ships.
And Martok is a channeling. I bet 5 space monies on it.
My character Tsin'xing
I'm wondering about the Dominion's version of history. Perhaps The Hur'q were the cause of the xenophobia of The Founders, and they are hiding the fact that they were technologically inferior to the solids who waged war around them until they used Hur'q DNA to create the Jem Hadar, which was then used to commit genocide on the Hur'q and subsequently control the Solids in their sphere of interest.
This would also be about the time Odo and company were sent out into the galaxy. Was this Changeling curiosity? Or a strategy to prevent the extinction of their species?
Co-Leader of Serenity's Grasp
Laas met with Odo on Koralis III in 2384, but refuses Odo's invitiation to return to the Gamma Quadrant. Laas goes on his own to search for other Founders in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. In 2398, Laas and two other shapeshifters arrived in the Devos system. This was observed by Starfleet Intelligence personnel. In 2400, the Founders release a message stating any Alpha and Beta Quadrant shapeshifters operating outside the Founders are rogue; the message may have been directed toward Laas. (ST website: The Path to 2409)
Co-Leader of Serenity's Grasp