[Idea]Plugging the Gaps in the Navy

kodachikuno

So... no shocking news here, we need a carrier (full one) and a science ship... I know we're not likely to get em but maybe if we spoon feed the ideas to the devs... ok... we're not likely to get em...
Still wanted to brainstorm some ideas.

I saw this hull on DeviantArt and the Artist does several good fan Trek designs, with a few tweaks this design could work as a carrier imo.

Stat Wise I was thinking similar to a Vo'Quv, but Im not that great at stats.
Tier:6
Type:Carrier
Hull:52,000
Standard Shields: 6000
Shield Modifier:1
Weapons:Fore 3 Aft 3
Hangar Bays:2 *can launch T'liss/T'Varo
Crew:4,000
Bridge Officers: Lt Tac, Cmdr Eng, Lt Eng/Cmd, LtCdr Sci
Device Slots:3
Consoles: 2 tac, 3 eng, 3sci **prolly needs adjustment**
Turn Rate:5

Same guy did this design as a "light cruiser" but I think it could also do "science vessel" just as well

Based this kinda on the Nova Retrofit
Tier:6
Type:Science Vessel
Hull:30,000
Standard Shields: 7000
Shield Modifier:1.3
Weapons:Fore 3 Aft 3
Crew:120
Bridge Officers: Lt Tac, Ens Tac, Lt Eng, Cdr Sci, LtCdr Sci
Device Slots:3
Consoles: tac 3, eng 2, sci 4
Turn Rate:14

kodachikuno

And before anyone jumps on the bandwagon, I am NOT saying to use these exact designs, just some design direction queues inspired by em.

Tacofangs and crew have done really great jobs so far with Romulan ships imo, Im sure they can do so again with carrier/sci ships if allowed to

tolmarius

The science one looks good to me. Though the proposed carrier looks too sleek, IMO. Needs to be a bit buklkier for the flight deck(s), and also should look like it deserves that 5 Turn. I hate nothing more than flying a ship that looks like a Ferrari but handles like a semi.

kodachikuno

well I think it looks too sleek atm cause theres no d'derp or anything for scale but I also think that a pair of hangars on the sides of the hull would 'fill it out' some. Also think we could do away with the bottom part of the 'wing'.

tolmarius

I honestly thought the DD would make a good carrier. Similar to how many planned battlecruisers were converted into carriers when the Washington Naval Treaty was signed in 1923. Seriously....you could fit so many fighters and runabouts into that space. Especially since Andrew Probert's original plan for Romulan warp drive, namly the nacelle's "seeing" each other through an enclosed space to generate a warp field was renendered void by later designs like the Mogai.

kodachikuno

tolmarius wrote: »

I honestly thought the DD would make a good carrier. Similar to how many planned battlecruisers were converted into carriers when the Washington Naval Treaty was signed in 1923. Seriously....you could fit so many fighters and runabouts into that space. Especially since Andrew Probert's original plan for Romulan warp drive, namly the nacelle's "seeing" each other through an enclosed space to generate a warp field was renendered void by later designs like the Mogai.

Oh I agree you could fill in the space there easily and make the D'derp a carrier or anything else... but would it sell? D'derps were iconic and all but we have it, and updated version, and a t6 redo. Would another tweak sell? I don't think so personally, but imo STO took what was supposed to be a badass that could maul a Galaxy Class and turned it into an under-powered wallowing scow.

tolmarius

I have to disagree there. I can still maul a galaxy easily in any DD. They are all better than the level appropriate Exploration Cruiser counterpart. And all militaries create variants of their equipment. Why not a DD carrier variant. Saves the devs from having to take TOO much time away from making new ships for the Feds, and thus makes it more likely we will see one.

kodachikuno

The big question still remains, would another D'derp reskin sell? That's the only thing Cryptic cares about $$$. I agree its possible, and I agree the RSE/RR could/would do it. But for my $$ I'd rather let taco get creative than see D'derp mkIV

tolmarius

I personally would prefer a DD reskin. Makes more sense for the Republic (Empire too, for that matter, if you are so inclined) to have a repurposed D'Deridex rather than spending time and resources to design a whole new ship keel to bridge.

protogoth

kodachikuno wrote: »

well I think it looks too sleek atm cause theres no d'derp or anything for scale but I also think that a pair of hangars on the sides of the hull would 'fill it out' some. Also think we could do away with the bottom part of the 'wing'.

I like the carrier look, but yes, it does look too fragile (especially the pylons for the nacelles), and that bottom "wing" thingy ruins the design and is so thin as to be pointless. Take that off, thicken the pylons, and make it into some kind of destroyer. A carrier should be sturdier and look less like a Pagani Zonda.

kodachikuno

ok keep in mind that I have absolutely NOT got the right software to try to edit/manip an image but this would give a rough idea the direction I'd tweak it

kodachikuno

Since it got brought up in a different thread about t6 ships concerning a new Rom flagship which I don't see happening I'll add this here too... maybe as a t6 battleship warbird or just something else new

jexsamx wrote: »

Not necessarily! The Romulans never received a proper flagship - they were slapped with the Scimitar because it was new and popular. A T6 flagship release could be done alongside a reveal for a proper Romulan flagship class more in line with the Fed and KDF flagships.

Not saying it's likely, since anything the Scimitar is bundled with is pretty much guaranteed to sell and you know a T6 Scimitar is going to happen regardless, but it's not set in stone!

Considering the Republic is not even 2yrs old and her flagship was named even more recently than that, I cant see them givin us a new toy like that.... BUT Ill just leave this right here in case taco looks and might want some inspiration for a new flagship....

found them and some other cool designs here on deviantart

protogoth

kodachikuno wrote: »

ok keep in mind that I have absolutely NOT got the right software to try to edit/manip an image but this would give a rough idea the direction I'd tweak it

Ah, my Memenda with a design update.

protogoth

kodachikuno wrote: »

Since it got brought up in a different thread about t6 ships concerning a new Rom flagship which I don't see happening I'll add this here too... maybe as a t6 battleship warbird or just something else new

jexsamx wrote: »

Not necessarily! The Romulans never received a proper flagship - they were slapped with the Scimitar because it was new and popular. A T6 flagship release could be done alongside a reveal for a proper Romulan flagship class more in line with the Fed and KDF flagships.

Not saying it's likely, since anything the Scimitar is bundled with is pretty much guaranteed to sell and you know a T6 Scimitar is going to happen regardless, but it's not set in stone!

Considering the Republic is not even 2yrs old and her flagship was named even more recently than that, I cant see them givin us a new toy like that.... BUT Ill just leave this right here in case taco looks and might want some inspiration for a new flagship....

found them and some other cool designs here on deviantart

The Republic was founded prior to the start of gameplay. The Romulan Republic was already a polity (although as yet unrecognized by anyone, which is irrelevant to its status as a state, as established by the Montevideo Conference) when the player fled from the Tal'Shiar and Elachi attack on Virinat. It became the New Romulan Republic after the rediscovery of Vastam.

If a new flagship were going to be chosen, I would expect it to be one of the new Command Warbirds.

kodachikuno

protogoth wrote: »

If a new flagship were going to be chosen, I would expect it to be one of the new Command Warbirds.

Id rather it be something totally new... hell Id almost like it to be unique and not available to players at all :P but since you can fly the bortas'qu or enterprise, that won't happen. then again like I said above I doubt they will give us a new flagship this soon anyway

meldrithpw

Purdy pictures.

yes, please, the rom need some sci ships, and i'm all on board with more carriers. heck, i've been asking for sci carriers since they introduced the secondary deflector.

the mechanics issue that i see as the problem is that sci ships (i.e. those with secondary deflectors, and 3 weap slots for and aft,) have to have both sensor analysis and subsystem targeting, while carriers all have carrier comands.

the potential solution is to give a sci ship a couple hangar slots, but NO carrier commands--just trust that your fighter pilots know their jobs and can carry em out without step by step instructions....

re the proposed drawings: i like the longer thiner look for the rom ships, not a big fan of the double wing. the ovoid DD loop wings i'd like to see as a much smaller part of the overall ship, perhaps with a diameter of no more than 25% of the overall length, but with longer nacelles that extend both fore and aft of the wings.

protogoth

meldrithpw wrote: »

Purdy pictures.

yes, please, the rom need some sci ships, and i'm all on board with more carriers. heck, i've been asking for sci carriers since they introduced the secondary deflector.

the mechanics issue that i see as the problem is that sci ships (i.e. those with secondary deflectors, and 3 weap slots for and aft,) have to have both sensor analysis and subsystem targeting, while carriers all have carrier comands.

the potential solution is to give a sci ship a couple hangar slots, but NO carrier commands--just trust that your fighter pilots know their jobs and can carry em out without step by step instructions....

re the proposed drawings: i like the longer thiner look for the rom ships, not a big fan of the double wing. the ovoid DD loop wings i'd like to see as a much smaller part of the overall ship, perhaps with a diameter of no more than 25% of the overall length, but with longer nacelles that extend both fore and aft of the wings.

I still think the D'deridex is ugly. On my D'deridex Retrofit, I have the D'ridthau nacelles, which do extend fore and aft of the wings. But the new D'khellra looks okay. The most attractive in-game design with that oval split hull is the Aelahl.

I'm not fond of the idea of having no carrier commands. A Sci carrier could instead sacrifice subsystem targeting and have only one hangar. But we need a full carrier for the RRF first, since everyone else has at least a couple.

kodachikuno

I could also see the hangars on the underside of the wings too for something a little different

as for a sci carrier... meh but I agree with proto, keep sensor analysis and carrier commands

legendarylycan

and while we're discussing romulan designs, how about something reman as well, with some romulan influence?



while the image says it's supposed to be a scimitar variant, doesn't necessarily mean it has to be one - it could be a heavy warbird (the romulan version of a destroyer), carrier, light warbird (raider), anything really

since the remans are allies of the republic, they really should have a say in the designs of at least SOME of the classes coming out of the new romulus shipyards​​

aliguana

But the Scimitar is a Reman warbird anyway, thats why it doesnt look Romulan. You can't "Reman" reskin a Reman ship lol Now, if there was a Romulan skin for it, that would be different (take my monnney)

I understand why it was chosen, the Republic was just a flotilla and a few colonies and needed a flagship so made do with what they had. Now that they have flashy New Romulus shipyards (so we're told), their new flagship needs to get away from that (awful) Scimitar design into something much more... Romulan. How you define that, is anyone's guess.

(Not a fan of the new command ships either, too angular, where Romulan vessels are all about the sweeping curves of bird-wings. Put that "snap to ruler" away and get your splines out.)

(edit - i like the first image posted, but the wings need to be bigger. Some of the rest just look like Klingon things)

kodachikuno

if we redo the scimi I prefer a diff one by the same guy

tolmarius

aliguana wrote: »

But the Scimitar is a Reman warbird anyway, thats why it doesnt look Romulan. You can't "Reman" reskin a Reman ship lol Now, if there was a Romulan skin for it, that would be different (take my monnney)

I understand why it was chosen, the Republic was just a flotilla and a few colonies and needed a flagship so made do with what they had. Now that they have flashy New Romulus shipyards (so we're told), their new flagship needs to get away from that (awful) Scimitar design into something much more... Romulan. How you define that, is anyone's guess.

More Romulan? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of Reman in the RRF

kodachikuno

tolmarius wrote: »

More Romulan? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of Reman in the RRF

yeah I just kinda ignored the romulan supremist stuff, didn't figure we needed another flame war in these forums

warmaker001b

I don't really have a problem with Cryptic's Post-LOR RRW ship designs. Ever since the RRW TRIBBLE Fetish ended with the release of LOR, their designs have gotten better. The issue though is similar with the KDF. Massive gaps in ship types. Right about now, both the KDF & Roms are stock full of capable Escorts and Cruisers but have zero in everything else. They need to cover those gaps and at the same time, I have faith in their artists and 3d guys to come up with decent designs.

chipg7

Some of the Romulan ships are just plain incredible. I'm really pleased with how Cryptic is designing our warbids these days - save for the clear gaps in roles.

Cryptic is a properly licensed Trek property, so I'd love to see them try to work in a way to pull Romulan birds from Star Trek: Armada II. Some of those were pure gold, like the Griffin and Draconarius fit nicely into the category of 'old designs repurposed for the now,' while the Raptor would look great in the recent skins, and with a little work the Venator can be straight-up epic.

lianthelia

chipg7 wrote: »

Some of the Romulan ships are just plain incredible. I'm really pleased with how Cryptic is designing our warbids these days - save for the clear gaps in roles.

Cryptic is a properly licensed Trek property, so I'd love to see them try to work in a way to pull Romulan birds from Star Trek: Armada II. Some of those were pure gold, like the Griffin and Draconarius fit nicely into the category of 'old designs repurposed for the now,' while the Raptor would look great in the recent skins, and with a little work the Venator can be straight-up epic.

Yeah...the Command ships would be totally awesome if it wasn't for the sudden and off putting (IMO) sudden unneeded dip in the neck...and the Pilot ships just look like bugs...like they were want to be JHAS...

tarran61

Lets not forget our brothers and sisters. Think its time, with new ship yards, years of ship designs and the war being over. It time not just for a new carrier but a new flagship as well for the Romulans. KDF should still get a new carrier.

skylarcomet

tolmarius wrote: »

aliguana wrote: »

But the Scimitar is a Reman warbird anyway, thats why it doesnt look Romulan. You can't "Reman" reskin a Reman ship lol Now, if there was a Romulan skin for it, that would be different (take my monnney)

I understand why it was chosen, the Republic was just a flotilla and a few colonies and needed a flagship so made do with what they had. Now that they have flashy New Romulus shipyards (so we're told), their new flagship needs to get away from that (awful) Scimitar design into something much more... Romulan. How you define that, is anyone's guess.

More Romulan? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of Reman in the RRF

You know, I think it would be nice to get a new ship based on Remen designs, now that I think about it. I could see the RR working on a new Flagship, but with the Scimitar being such a good ship I don't see them in a big hurry. Maybe a Scimi retrofit in the future though?

yakodym

I, for one, would welcome a d'deridex reskin as a romulan carrier. It could finally give some sense to that huge void in the center of the ship (only filled a little in the t6 dd) - doesn't it just scream "a whole fleet of smaller ships can hide here, shielded by the wide hull plates" (iirc a whole Galaxy-class ship can fit in there)? The added benefit of course is that it would make the carrier kitbashable, and not stuck with just a single model option, like the Jupiter