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  • peregr1nusperegr1nus Posts: 153Member Arc User
    @jaime4312#3760 btw... Creeping Death doesnt have have a cooldown like that it can very well proc 20 times a second or more, it depends on what procs it.
  • eclipseblood#1326 eclipseblood Posts: 199Member Arc User
    > @finalfantasyac7 said:
    > My maxed SW retired since mod 11 and have no regret not playing for a 1 or 2 years now and not going to play until sw dps can be good as a freaking tank ( GF )
    > Look youtube for gf videos or xbox live / ps4 full of gf videos.
    > Paingiver board GF top spot - 1.983.889.328 damage.
    > Not even 10 sw's with bugged puppet would have this amount of damage on paingiver board.
    >
    > You see anyone complaining about tanks doing crazy dps? No !
    > You have seen anyone complaining about sw's bugged puppet ? Yes.. a lot of them.
    >
    > Looks like we have to wait another 2 or 3 years and hope sw dps can be good as other dps classes lmao.

    Ppl complained about the puppet before cuz the puppet itself was being buffed by epic dungeons and the sw didnt need as much investment overall when u spec down damnation, gf dps need the buffs for them to do that much damage and have to time their heavy hitters with their grp buffs. Sw currently arent in the best place, theyre decent rn and the very good sw can still top dps occasionally, but they need alot of improvement. Self buffs for instance would help immensely.
  • eclipseblood#1326 eclipseblood Posts: 199Member Arc User
    @finalfantasyac7
    10x faster is just an exaggeration, those are bis players running in a bis grp, timing ur buffs results in insane dps especially with everyone in the grp buffing one dps, and no neither is okay. But the puppet was broken and the majority of ur damage came from it and a broken TT when u only really had to spec down damnation while gf need alot of investment in order to reach that lvl of damage. Not saying they arent/weren't both broken but every class is gonna be balanced eventually, lets leave it at that.
  • eclipseblood#1326 eclipseblood Posts: 199Member Arc User
    @stinkypiratepete#1341 yeah they do need to be toned down, its an old arguement. Driving away ur players is a problem of course yeah, the bug fixes for the sw at the time were "intended" to balance the class and revive a dead paragon. Instead it became more apparent that the class underpreformed without those bugs. That wasnt something they could predict because sw have always been broken, it might be taking them awhile to curve us back up but im sure balanced will help us get to that point eventually.
  • peregr1nusperegr1nus Posts: 153Member Arc User

    SW dps was never good from the beginning mod 1. The fact it was good was due to bugged powers/feats/puppet/etc. Now all of them are fixed and nerfed SW has become the worst of the worst dps class. And as support it's not even worth having them in party cuz we have better support class such as dc, mof cw, pally, gf and better dps class such as gf, gwf, hr, cw.

    Congrats at fooling yourself for thinking SW are good compared to other classes. I wish i could find a way to get the amount of money i've spend on my sw back.

    First off, SWs came in mod4 not mod1. (and the original 5 classes are from mod 0, not mod1)

    There were times SWs were great DPS, some were bugs, some were simply strongly designed powers that were nerfed.

    SW as a support is great, Temp offers 20% buff + Dark revelry (20% power) + PoP (10% debuff), HG (15% debuff) + DPS if the player is not a dummy.
  • eclipseblood#1326 eclipseblood Posts: 199Member Arc User
    > @peregr1nus said:
    > SW dps was never good from the beginning mod 1. The fact it was good was due to bugged powers/feats/puppet/etc. Now all of them are fixed and nerfed SW has become the worst of the worst dps class. And as support it's not even worth having them in party cuz we have better support class such as dc, mof cw, pally, gf and better dps class such as gf, gwf, hr, cw.
    >
    > Congrats at fooling yourself for thinking SW are good compared to other classes. I wish i could find a way to get the amount of money i've spend on my sw back.
    >
    > First off, SWs came in mod4 not mod1. (and the original 5 classes are from mod 0, not mod1)
    >
    > There were times SWs were great DPS, some were bugs, some were simply strongly designed powers that were nerfed.
    >
    > SW as a support is great, Temp offers 20% buff + Dark revelry (20% power) + PoP (10% debuff), HG (15% debuff) + DPS if the player is not a dummy.

    Also 18% damage buff to allies if they stand in pop, plus the dreadtheft debuff. Not including the constant heals :wink:
  • mehrunesdagon#1073 mehrunesdagon Posts: 26Member Arc User
    I don't understand why the devs just can't buff the fury path and overhaul it to be on par with the other dps classes.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Posts: 3,985Member Arc User
    edited July 2018
    HG does not buff the hole party, it does no even buff your dps the way some player think.
    buff: 18% pop, 20% temp capstone, Aura of dispair +5%
    debuffs: 10% pop, 25% DT
    powerbuffs 20% from DR
    You overcome a GF and mof in terms of buffs/debuffs in the sum, a Hunter also I´d say.
    Templock is set in stone in codg normally, also because he spends 10% LS a DR buff (pop) and a speedbuff on top and he instant heals the whole party .
    Nothing can beat an OP or DC though atm.
    Fury path could need some buffs. Following the current numbers TR´s (broken atm and may be fixed), Hunter, GF and GWF dish out, the buff has to be pretty huge if you want to play it legit.
  • naoqueroforumnaoqueroforum Posts: 225Member Arc User

    SW dps was never good from the beginning mod 1. The fact it was good was due to bugged powers/feats/puppet/etc. Now all of them are fixed and nerfed SW has become the worst of the worst dps class. And as support it's not even worth having them in party cuz we have better support class such as dc, mof cw, pally, gf and better dps class such as gf, gwf, hr, cw.

    Congrats at fooling yourself for thinking SW are good compared to other classes. I wish i could find a way to get the amount of money i've spend on my sw back.

    First off, SWs came in mod4 not mod1. (and the original 5 classes are from mod 0, not mod1)

    There were times SWs were great DPS, some were bugs, some were simply strongly designed powers that were nerfed.

    SW as a support is great, Temp offers 20% buff + Dark revelry (20% power) + PoP (10% debuff), HG (15% debuff) + DPS if the player is not a dummy.
    HG is not a party debuff. It's just a 15% more damage to damaging curses (your lesser curse becomes super OP) and to the damage the ultra deadly soul puppet deals. It used to be a party debuff pre-mod 10, but a genius dev didn't understand how debuffs worked and removed it because everyone had 60% resistance ignored and thought that the added debuff was pointless.

    Also dark revelry is +20% base power of the target, so typically a 10k extra power on a non-base power built dps class, plus whatever you get from the pet base (a legendary striker pet has 571 base power, so less than 300 power to you considering max bondings and legendary bonuses). Meaning it's waaaay less powerful than weapons of light.

    HG does not buff the hole party, it does no even buff your dps the way some player think.
    buff: 18% pop, 20% temp capstone, Aura of dispair +5%
    debuffs: 10% pop, 25% DT
    powerbuffs 20% from DR
    You overcome a GF and mof in terms of buffs/debuffs in the sum, a Hunter also I´d say.
    Templock is set in stone in codg normally, also because he spends 10% LS a DR buff (pop) and a speedbuff on top and he instant heals the whole party .
    Nothing can beat an OP or DC though atm.
    Fury path could need some buffs. Following the current numbers TR´s (broken atm and may be fixed), Hunter, GF and GWF dish out, the buff has to be pretty huge if you want to play it legit.


    Aura of despair is a debuff also. So is darkness, but that one is personal and way more pointless.

    @finalfantasyac7

    10x faster is just an exaggeration, those are bis players running in a bis grp, timing ur buffs results in insane dps especially with everyone in the grp buffing one dps, and no neither is okay. But the puppet was broken and the majority of ur damage came from it and a broken TT when u only really had to spec down damnation while gf need alot of investment in order to reach that lvl of damage. Not saying they arent/weren't both broken but every class is gonna be balanced eventually, lets leave it at that.

    Good luck timing your KF to trigger commander's strike when either your PoP (if HB), HG, or SS (if SB) ticks will remove it for you
  • eclipseblood#1326 eclipseblood Posts: 199Member Arc User
    @naoqueroforum usually the gf is a dps spec, so usually timing it with fray and knee breaker for crushing pin :wink: voice chat usually helps with timing your buffs too
  • ibz4ez#9773 ibz4ez Posts: 117Member Arc User
    Looking forward to the MOD15 SW overhaul. Long awaited. Gonna be good. Better make SW OP.
  • vorphiedvorphied Posts: 1,521Member Arc User
    Adding my voice to the thread necromancy. Would be nice to have Bug of Hadar replaced by a consistent, WAI DPS improvement.

    Having Damnation as a viable spec would be a nice bonus, but at this point I'd be thrilled if Fury at least pulled even with GWF.
    Sacrilege - SW
    Contagion - DC
    Testament - CW
    Pestilence - HR
    Dominion - OP

    NIGHTSWATCH
    The Forgotten Company Alliance
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Posts: 3,985Member Arc User
    edited September 2018
    I'd say fury should pass GWF and pull even with TR. :)
  • vorphiedvorphied Posts: 1,521Member Arc User

    I'd say fury should pass GWF and pull even with TR. :)

    I won't argue with that :smile:

    IMO GWF should be the bottom-tier DPS by a slight margin due to their survivability and comparative ease of gameplay, but I think Cryptic loves GWF just a little bit too much to put it behind SW and CW.
    Sacrilege - SW
    Contagion - DC
    Testament - CW
    Pestilence - HR
    Dominion - OP

    NIGHTSWATCH
    The Forgotten Company Alliance
  • zacoria1405zacoria1405 Posts: 230Member Arc User

    Looking forward to the MOD15 SW overhaul. Long awaited. Gonna be good. Better make SW OP.

    Are they actually doing a sw overhaul in mod 15 then?

  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Posts: 844Member Arc User
    We'll see once they release info about mod 15, @balanced#2849 hasn't said anything about SW for a long time now.
  • naoqueroforumnaoqueroforum Posts: 225Member Arc User

    @naoqueroforum usually the gf is a dps spec, so usually timing it with fray and knee breaker for crushing pin :wink: voice chat usually helps with timing your buffs too

    It's not about that. It's easy enough to time your best encounter with CS even without voice chat on GWF for example ; But with SW it's basically down to luck since the CS buff is almost automatically consumed by encounter non-activation dots such as from PoP, HG and SS. That way it's almost never possible to have your KF hit with CS active. If you dont cast pop on the target and dont use HG, or for SB, dont use SS with WC, you will easily hit your encounters with CS, just like any other dps.

    The problem is not synchronization, the problem in this case is just down to luck that your dot wont hit just before your next encounter.
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