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Seeeeething atm! Why is STRONGhold weapons gated behing profession junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
silverkelt
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
I am not at all happy,
What was the point of throwing in 1 million dollars of AD (combined resources of gems, salvage, AD) into my guild coffers, then run a additional upteem dragonflights..
Great we says to ourselves, SH weapons are almost here! Time to upgrade..
NOPE, nada, never going to happen. WHY are they ALSO behind this armament grind-wall? ARE you kidding me.
This is not at all acceptable.. not one little bit!
Remove the armament need to get these weapons. ITS already ridiculous time /grind gated.
WHERE is the incentive to grind and grind and grind out your strongholds, just to add this on top of it!
This should be changed ASAP.. this weeks patch.
Please for the love of your game, get this fixed.
What was the point of throwing in 1 million dollars of AD (combined resources of gems, salvage, AD) into my guild coffers, then run a additional upteem dragonflights..
Great we says to ourselves, SH weapons are almost here! Time to upgrade..
NOPE, nada, never going to happen. WHY are they ALSO behind this armament grind-wall? ARE you kidding me.
This is not at all acceptable.. not one little bit!
Remove the armament need to get these weapons. ITS already ridiculous time /grind gated.
WHERE is the incentive to grind and grind and grind out your strongholds, just to add this on top of it!
This should be changed ASAP.. this weeks patch.
Please for the love of your game, get this fixed.
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These bloom are made from 3x adamant sands. With 3 purples tools (the other purple is new, required and no bonus) you have a 20% chance. So if you were lucky enough to hit the normal percentages you'd need 11 sands per bloom (you get 1 back for a failure). You need to make 12 of these. So you need 121 sands.
Next task, you need to make ingots. it takes two blooms and lacquer. You need 6 of those and you only have a 20% chance to make those. You get 2 sands back on a failure. So that means it takes 10 blooms to make an ingot. But you get back 8 sands. 10 blooms will take 88 - the 8 you get back, so 80 sands per ingot. You need 6 so 480 sands. You are now at 500 sands if you break even with RNG. You also need 5 Dark Lacquerper ingot, so 30 of those.
Thats as far as I got. I don't know how to get Dark Lacquer so I can't continue on preview. I think there will be one more step though after that because my jewelcrafting also has three new materials - nugget, ingot and coin.
I don't yet know how to get cheap sands - they are 20k on the auction house, but there certainly isn't 500 out there. That's about 10 Million AD in just sands. If those sands were about 2K, that would be more reasonable.
Perhaps this new patch with the explorer map will address this problem. But we did work pretty hard getting our Stronghold to 12, it's hard to believe you want us to do more than this.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
You spent resources or ADs for millions of ADs. Who would buy a ring for 4 million AD? Better to sell the resources and make a few million an the ppl trying to get it done.
I offer the following compromise , but this is EXTREMELY time sensitive to players, decisions have to be made in the next couple of days, I understand its the weekend, but I ask that you respect the players on this one and get back to us as soon as you can, with some open dialogue on this situation.
COMPROMISE suggestion: REMOVE the armament requirement on the 3 costing items you have at the moment, but ADD a 4th with just a ARMAMENT as a purchase option.
What this does for players: Removes the insult to players and guilds, that worked SO hard, with all the time and grind to open up these items and purchase them. IT STOPS the de-valuation of strongholds.
What this does for the Company: Offers a paywall, for those who want to SKIP massive amounts of grind to get their weapon set.
THIS is the best possible solution I can think of, that doesn't demean the players, but still offers the company a way to make money from it.
I formally ask for open dialogue on this at your earliest convenience, but like many mentioned, THIS SET only HAS ANY VALUE if most of the guild takes them. OTHERWISE it is worthless as a weapon set.
I ask for a quick resolution of this issue, as currently stands, NO one is going to bother with this, it makes it from a potentially potent item, to one with LITTLE value and THUS, little worth to pay for.
As players, we really need to support and stand on this issue, even if you had no real plans of getting it, they shouldn't just devalue the grind on a MOD that is only a few months old, it really is quite annoying to have paradigm shifts of these natures. We cannot trust a company that does this sort of thing. WHY or HOW can we actually determine where to spend our money and time, if something like this is plopped on us? Do you see how or why we get so vexed?
Please get back to us.
Winter Lily (CW) / Winter Rose (DC) / Winter Ivy (HR)
Pandora's Misfits Guild Leader
Only a moron will buy a weapon with no intrinsic value! The only way these have any value if they guild decides to get them!
They have to get something changed on this ASAP... i mean within the next few days!
.......SH set .....after reading this thread, i would have laughed for 10min in case the family wouldn't be in place and think I lost my mind
24x160power in PVE vor stacking defence being stomped is also nice
Not sure if this 25% AP every 30 second will be better than >3k power
They really showed "cochones" implementing this kind of BS, but i guess the rebounce will hit them like a Hammer leaving some "mirroreggs"
Can you explain this?
I am confused by the Orange/Legendary Weapon in the picture posted by @rinat114 one of the Stronghold Weapons? It doesn't look like the images I've seen of them at the Dragon Flight Wizard and/or doesn't show any Slots for Offense/Defense...
You get the weapons from the Dragonflight Wizard, once your MP is at 6, you go to him and trade in Guild Marks and Fangs/Banners, etc. Right?
Sorry... Just really confused by the title, and how the information provided leads to a different way to acquire the Stronghold Weapons then what has been indicated beforehand.
You don't get the weapon from the wizard, you get it from the NPC selling DF armor, talk to him and choose the weapons and see that he requires a class armament in order to purchase the set. A lot has changed since they introduced things on preview months ago. It's much worse now
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
That said, this was not at all handled correctly, strongholds is the highest amount of grind ALREADY in the game.. to add another layer to it, is ridiculous.
These are NOT BIS weapons unless we are allowed as a guild to take them. Otherwise they are trash.. twisted will just simply be better for most pve dps builds (ap might be a alternative to some)
This shouldn't be GATE at ALL.. I do not accept that. Masterworks value cannot come from gating the weapons. They can be a ALTERNATIVE path-ing, but not a regular gate on it.
If they do not adjust these .. this week, the entire situation will be a failure, as any guilds that were going to use these, will start making alternative planning instead.
This is exactly the sort of stuff that should at least have a cursory player discussion with a fielding panel of sorts.
So many other games do that, some even have a poll system for major changes like this.
Anyone who has the resources to create these will have the Twisted Weapons as early as next week, which are arguably just as good as the Stronghold weapons. And they're essentially free.
But people who won't necessarily be able to get the Twisted Weapons or grind for the Elemental ones can't take advantage of the Stronghold weapons either. Assuming someone in a R12 SH guild was kind enough to grind out all the Masterwork Crafting and sell the armaments at a very reasonable price on the AH, the people who would buy them wouldn't have access to the market to trade for the weapons anyway.
So there's essentially no place for them in the game, right? The people who need them have no access to them in any situation. The people who can have access don't need them.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're very neat, and I like the concept of guild weapons improving in guild groups...but for the cost of these? They don't really have a place in the game.
Here's my thoughts. Scrap the Armaments thing all together. Go back to the drawing board on Mastercrafted weapons.
Give the crafters recipes that allow them to create unique weapon sets that are equivalent to Epic Artifact Weapons, with some sort of set bonus. Make the rare components for these weapons drop in dungeons, similar to how it worked back in the day with the Malabog and Valindra weapons. Then you create a niche role for these crafters, making something very powerful and valuable to those who don't want to deal with Artifact weapons, but by allowing the components to drop in dungeons (or other content) you allow players who don't have access to large guilds the ability to gather components to sell on the AH, or trade with someone in exchange for the creation of one of these weapon sets.
But ultimately, you guys know my stance...I feel that crafting should be viewed as a gear alternative path that's largely approachable to the solo player. Not something that's gated behind nearly insurmountable walls that prevent your average player from participating.
A few days passed and the picture has changed, once I figured out the cost I felt obligated to let them know that the SH weapons, as good and dreamy (and BIS) as they are, are not achievable for the average player who runs on a budget and does not invest real money in the game on a regular basis if at all.
The Twisted weps require 40 consistent runs of Epic Demo, 40 keys (!!! so so grindy) and a lottt of spare time. Free? Not entirely. Especially if you refuse to wait 40 days to craft a key after another. My assumption is that most people will resolve into buying at least a few Legendary Dragon Keys to speed up the process. As for the SH weps, people work their HAMSTER off to grind the materials needed for an upgrade, and most guilds on par with the requirements at this point worked extra hard, opened their wallets or had an astonishing man power and ALL that at this point is for two things alone - Boons and SH weapons (post DF armor, assuming everyone got them and they do.) So why shouldn't they be essentially free or at least far less grindy than what it is now? We earned it, we deserve it - we're entitled to get them without them being gated behind insane AD and assets sinks that are not only incredibly time consuming, they get stupidly frustrating and are simply ridiculous.
A total rework of that needs to happen ASAP before people invest their time in farming motes and getting SH weapons will no longer be relevant.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
lv 12 guild hall? checked
lv 6 market? checked
then what? im getting so quests for them
more clarity pls. @strumslinger
we already spent much for those base requerments.
and @rayrdan, read the above posts (mine and the one above it), they describe the process of what it takes to get the armaments.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
will skip them
Cryptic can keep them in a shedule and bring them to polish once a year out, have fun.
I would not spend any effort in maxing weaponsmithing nor grinding or spending 3 million AD for a weapon that loses his function in two or three month.
Noone will be that dumb, sry, but thats far too much
SH rank 12 market rank 6 ok..... again a big disadvantage for small guilds, they will never achieve these weapons because they won´t get rank 12 before next mod
Weaponsmithing rank 25 , that alone was my argument to say: "Keep them" not to talk about 1 Mio rp to farm to get them to legendary.
But this kind of girnd is just that redicules that i am really amused by reading it .... not harsh, not angry ... just sincerely amused
and I will follow this thread because i did not read anything else that was that funny for about... a long time in this forum
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hundreds of thousands of AD each.
Dozens and DOZENS of stacks of gems.
dozens and dozens of Salvage probably negating another 2-300k in salvage!
LET alone the thousands and thousands of trinkets from the wod, sharandar, iwd and dread ring zone.
PLUS hundreds and hundreds of HEs for influence.
ON TOP of all that individual giving to coffers.. we also have done dragonflight dozens and dozens of times.
WE PAID our grinding price already.. I CANT imagine AT ALL how they think we haven't paid the price.