Personally, I don't think STO has too few newer players.
There already seem to be plenty of new people.
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Well... we also have to consider that Star Trek as an IP may not have the wide appeal of something like FF14 or WoW. And its not quite as in the spotlight as Star Wars tends to be. Still its pretty healthy with launchers tied to many things (stand alone, Arc, Steam, Epic Store) as well as a Console version on two different consoles.
Personally I'd say that's doing pretty dang good in MMO terms.
Just wait until the summer event rolls around and everyone descends upon Risa.
Since STO is a sort of hybrid lobby game where everyone is usually off in hundreds of separate small instances instead of a single large, shared map it sometimes looks a bit empty in the lobbies/social areas, but the big single-map seasonal events show that a lot of people are playing. It is not unusual to see forty or more instances during those events, which over 24 hours adds up to a lot of people playing, especially since a lot of them just drop in for the progress part of the event on days when they don't have much time to play, so they are in and out in as little as ten or fifteen minutes on those days.
And then add to that all of the playerbase splitting into all the hardware platforms Rattler mentioned.
Overall, STO is not exactly chart topping compared to the biggest names in the industry, but it is comfortably situated in the middle of the top third of the MMOPopulations daily activity list (23rd out of 140) with an estimated 29k-30k accounts signing in per day. Growth rate is not bad either for an older game, about the same as ESO.
Just wait until the summer event rolls around and everyone descends upon Risa.
Since STO is a sort of hybrid lobby game where everyone is usually off in hundreds of separate small instances instead of a single large, shared map it sometimes looks a bit empty in the lobbies/social areas, but the big single-map seasonal events show that a lot of people are playing. It is not unusual to see forty or more instances during those events, which over 24 hours adds up to a lot of people playing, especially since a lot of them just drop in for the progress part of the event on days when they don't have much time to play, so they are in and out in as little as ten or fifteen minutes on those days.
And then add to that all of the playerbase splitting into all the hardware platforms Rattler mentioned.
Overall, STO is not exactly chart topping compared to the biggest names in the industry, but it is comfortably situated in the middle of the top third of the MMOPopulations daily activity list (23rd out of 140) with an estimated 29k-30k accounts signing in per day. Growth rate is not bad either for an older game, about the same as ESO.
I was reading that it was 56k per day the other day on an MMO population site.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Well... we also have to consider that Star Trek as an IP may not have the wide appeal of something like FF14 or WoW. And its not quite as in the spotlight as Star Wars tends to be. Still its pretty healthy with launchers tied to many things (stand alone, Arc, Steam, Epic Store) as well as a Console version on two different consoles.
Personally I'd say that's doing pretty dang good in MMO terms.
yes but an ad somewhere in the middle of whatever ST show is on Paramount plus would not be too expensive, and there might be more than a few fans who don't know the game exists
Just wait until the summer event rolls around and everyone descends upon Risa.
Since STO is a sort of hybrid lobby game where everyone is usually off in hundreds of separate small instances instead of a single large, shared map it sometimes looks a bit empty in the lobbies/social areas, but the big single-map seasonal events show that a lot of people are playing. It is not unusual to see forty or more instances during those events, which over 24 hours adds up to a lot of people playing, especially since a lot of them just drop in for the progress part of the event on days when they don't have much time to play, so they are in and out in as little as ten or fifteen minutes on those days.
And then add to that all of the playerbase splitting into all the hardware platforms Rattler mentioned.
Overall, STO is not exactly chart topping compared to the biggest names in the industry, but it is comfortably situated in the middle of the top third of the MMOPopulations daily activity list (23rd out of 140) with an estimated 29k-30k accounts signing in per day. Growth rate is not bad either for an older game, about the same as ESO.
I was reading that it was 56k per day the other day on an MMO population site.
It is one of the slump seasons across the whole MMO industry, people tend to play a bit less in the spring holiday season (which is probably why so many games do easter events and whatnot. While it is true that not too long ago STO was getting 56k per day (and even more than that earlier, during the shelter-in-place) it was at 33rd place and has actually moved up in the rankings since then.
There is a lot of variance in player activity over the course of a typical year as people go on vacations and whatnot, but it happens all across the industry as a whole so the relative rankings are still a good indicator of a particular game's popularity.
What do you mean 'any'? It has adverts on Xbox every so often. Plus, it's touted on various MMO and Gaming sites on a regular basis, especially with offers.
Hopefully, with the new ownership of STO will bring some advertisement to the game. Bring some fresh recruits in game.
As I said....it has had plenty of advertisement.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son!? You presume too much I was gaming in the 70's.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Truth be told, I also think STO isn't advertising that much. When I look for a couch online, the algorithms will present them everywhere shortly after. Yet, despite Googling for 'STO Forum' almost every day, as well as for names of consoles etc. on a regular basis, I've never seen an ad. I may have seen one once or twice, but generally speaking? I don't think there are any, actually.
Yes, there are articles on some websites dedicated to gaming indeed. But those are probably mostly read by people who are already into gaming in general. But I think STO's population is, overall, known for not being made up of avid gamers. So you have to wonder whether that's the most sensical place to advertise for STO.
All that being said, I don't think advertising is actually needed. In terms of its ability to attract new players, I'm convinced the game is more than capable of doing that without advertising much.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son!? You presume too much I was gaming in the 70's.
Yeah he likes to talk down to people. It's his 'thing'.
Alright guys let's not get into who is more ancient than the other, it's not relevant or helping anything.
Far as advertisements go, they don't do the greatest amount of advertising from what I've seen, but they are out there. Been a hot minute since I ran into one but the last times I did they were on youtube advertising for them, World of Warships and a couple others. Personally I would love to see more advertising for it and more people coming in, but time will tell.
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
I'm not claiming to have any details about budgeting for this game, but it occurs to me that someone thinks that Celebrity Casting should be the primary focus rather than advertising and other considerations.
Even then the only advertising I see (I don't ever search for STO because, you know, I'm already in) is the occasional TwitX post (I also don't go very far out of my way to be on every social media site), or in the actual game via loading screens and the HERE'S WHAT'S NEW IN SEASON X notification a few times a year.
That pretty much leaves word-of-mouth. This I only see from live streamers and content creators, like myself, and it looks to me like there is a growing trend of decreased understanding regarding the game's issues.
I'd like to see more actual advertising because that would suggest to me that STO's health is improving. As it stands now I wonder if someone with marketing insight asks, "Do we really want to open that can of worms..." if/when the subject of advertising is brought up.
I'd like to see more actual advertising because that would suggest to me that STO's health is improving.
I don't ever search for STO because, you know, I'm already in
I did a google search for STO and got tons of hits from their own website, social media, youtube, and a variety of other websites offering ratings, reviews, how-to's... Seems they have lots of advertising
I'd like to see more actual advertising because that would suggest to me that STO's health is improving.
I don't ever search for STO because, you know, I'm already in
I did a google search for STO and got tons of hits from their own website, social media, youtube, and a variety of other websites offering ratings, reviews, how-to's... Seems they have lots of advertising
I believe that most of those will qualify as Word-of-Mouth.
Plus, in all but 1.5 of the hits your search produced (their own website and social media) they have no control over the messaging, unless we're looking at a Corruption in Gaming Journalism scenario which I tend to doubt.
I say, "1.5" because of the dynamic of Social Media. For every, "Look, we hired actor X to reprise their role11!1!!11!!1One1!!," there will be at least 4 or 5, "What about Issue Y," and, "Why do so many uniform options that cost real time or money wind up being a Master Class in Clipping?"
Considering the absolute lack of a response I can imagine 2 major possibilities:
1. It's too much work to answer every concern each time they arise.
2. The less said about an issue the less a response will be held against... Whomever. Which brings us back to that aforementioned Can of Worms.
Ultimately, you are correct. They do have plenty of advertising. They just appear to me to be apathetic on the subject. I guess Just Good Enough is good enough.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son!? You presume too much I was gaming in the 70's.
Me too! (And I do not miss that Sears knockoff of the Atari 2600. Joysticks kept breaking, and there were only so many games you could play with the paddle wheel.)
Why spend money to advertise when someone else is doing it for them? And I am not just talking about all the bloggers, vloggers, reviewers, and advice givers and other media coverage. STO is a Star Trek game and there are currently Star Trek shows running, not to mention other Trek games (the last season of DSC, the new season of SNW have been running ads and trailers and the game Star Trek Fleet Command is heavily advertised for instance), and that is enough that anyone looking for a Trek game knows there is at least one or more out there and a search inevitably shows STO along with the other(s) unless they know exactly what the one they are looking for is called and use that to narrow the search (and even then they will probably get at least one link for STO as well).
STO is well positioned to take advantage of that situation since it has all of the eras covered (though some only barely) so those who see STFC's adverts and want to play a Trek game but are put off by the fact that it mainly centers on the Kelvin Universe stuff, or that it is a phone game, or prefer an MMORPG instead of a 4x strat/tac game, are likely to try STO.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son!? You presume too much I was gaming in the 70's.
Me too! (And I do not miss that Sears knockoff of the Atari 2600. Joysticks kept breaking, and there were only so many games you could play with the paddle wheel.)
The amount of joysticks that got broke in our house, the thumbsticks, Kempstons (from the 80's) etc, you could have built a Tesla out of them. My 15-month younger hothead of a brother always blamed the computer
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Sadly, there wasn't any joysticks to break when I was growing up in Canada. Most of my family had to go north to work in the ice farms in order to make ends meet. A strong person could make almost 10 cents per block of ice shipped to the warmer states south of us. It was pretty cold up in the arctic circle but nobody really complained about it. While other kids were playing video games I used to sharpen the saws they used in my spare time just to purchase school books. Luckily my Dad put a big antenna in the attic so we were able to watch Star Trek on TV.
Son, I've been tooling around the Internet since Buck was a pup, and if it hadn't been for one advertisement I saw once on Facebook back around 2010 or so, I would have no clue this game even exists. The closest we've gotten to "advertising" lately was when articles about season 3 of PIC included the fact that several of the ship designs came from STO.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Getting Wil Wheaton to talk about this game might be the closest thing STO ever gets to anything remotely ad like.
They've only done internet banner ads in the past when Paramount is doing some HUGE promotion, like an anniversary or a new major STAR TREK related feature film is about to be released. I guess the metrics show such advertising doesn't really affect new player infusion if they do it without Paramount cross promoting something large.
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PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
All I'm saying is the World of Star Trek is going pretty well with all the shows out there, it would seem that STO would try to take advantage of that and advertise, advertise, advertise. I've been a member since the beginning and "Epic Rarely" seen an ad.
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There already seem to be plenty of new people.
Personally I'd say that's doing pretty dang good in MMO terms.
Since STO is a sort of hybrid lobby game where everyone is usually off in hundreds of separate small instances instead of a single large, shared map it sometimes looks a bit empty in the lobbies/social areas, but the big single-map seasonal events show that a lot of people are playing. It is not unusual to see forty or more instances during those events, which over 24 hours adds up to a lot of people playing, especially since a lot of them just drop in for the progress part of the event on days when they don't have much time to play, so they are in and out in as little as ten or fifteen minutes on those days.
And then add to that all of the playerbase splitting into all the hardware platforms Rattler mentioned.
Overall, STO is not exactly chart topping compared to the biggest names in the industry, but it is comfortably situated in the middle of the top third of the MMOPopulations daily activity list (23rd out of 140) with an estimated 29k-30k accounts signing in per day. Growth rate is not bad either for an older game, about the same as ESO.
I was reading that it was 56k per day the other day on an MMO population site.
yes but an ad somewhere in the middle of whatever ST show is on Paramount plus would not be too expensive, and there might be more than a few fans who don't know the game exists
It is one of the slump seasons across the whole MMO industry, people tend to play a bit less in the spring holiday season (which is probably why so many games do easter events and whatnot. While it is true that not too long ago STO was getting 56k per day (and even more than that earlier, during the shelter-in-place) it was at 33rd place and has actually moved up in the rankings since then.
There is a lot of variance in player activity over the course of a typical year as people go on vacations and whatnot, but it happens all across the industry as a whole so the relative rankings are still a good indicator of a particular game's popularity.
I think you mean "any STO advertisement".
What do you mean 'any'? It has adverts on Xbox every so often. Plus, it's touted on various MMO and Gaming sites on a regular basis, especially with offers.
As I said....it has had plenty of advertisement.
Now, I'll grant you that I don't spend a lot of time reading "various MMO and Gaming sites", as they also feature garbage pretty regularly, but on the other tentacle that's not really "advertising", that's "an occasional writer who needs to meet a deadline". Some actual honest-to-Mad-Men ads out there would be great.
Son!? You presume too much I was gaming in the 70's.
Yes, there are articles on some websites dedicated to gaming indeed. But those are probably mostly read by people who are already into gaming in general. But I think STO's population is, overall, known for not being made up of avid gamers. So you have to wonder whether that's the most sensical place to advertise for STO.
All that being said, I don't think advertising is actually needed. In terms of its ability to attract new players, I'm convinced the game is more than capable of doing that without advertising much.
Yeah he likes to talk down to people. It's his 'thing'.
Far as advertisements go, they don't do the greatest amount of advertising from what I've seen, but they are out there. Been a hot minute since I ran into one but the last times I did they were on youtube advertising for them, World of Warships and a couple others. Personally I would love to see more advertising for it and more people coming in, but time will tell.
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Even then the only advertising I see (I don't ever search for STO because, you know, I'm already in) is the occasional TwitX post (I also don't go very far out of my way to be on every social media site), or in the actual game via loading screens and the HERE'S WHAT'S NEW IN SEASON X notification a few times a year.
That pretty much leaves word-of-mouth. This I only see from live streamers and content creators, like myself, and it looks to me like there is a growing trend of decreased understanding regarding the game's issues.
I'd like to see more actual advertising because that would suggest to me that STO's health is improving. As it stands now I wonder if someone with marketing insight asks, "Do we really want to open that can of worms..." if/when the subject of advertising is brought up.
I did a google search for STO and got tons of hits from their own website, social media, youtube, and a variety of other websites offering ratings, reviews, how-to's... Seems they have lots of advertising
I believe that most of those will qualify as Word-of-Mouth.
Plus, in all but 1.5 of the hits your search produced (their own website and social media) they have no control over the messaging, unless we're looking at a Corruption in Gaming Journalism scenario which I tend to doubt.
I say, "1.5" because of the dynamic of Social Media. For every, "Look, we hired actor X to reprise their role11!1!!11!!1One1!!," there will be at least 4 or 5, "What about Issue Y," and, "Why do so many uniform options that cost real time or money wind up being a Master Class in Clipping?"
Considering the absolute lack of a response I can imagine 2 major possibilities:
1. It's too much work to answer every concern each time they arise.
2. The less said about an issue the less a response will be held against... Whomever. Which brings us back to that aforementioned Can of Worms.
Ultimately, you are correct. They do have plenty of advertising. They just appear to me to be apathetic on the subject. I guess Just Good Enough is good enough.
STO is well positioned to take advantage of that situation since it has all of the eras covered (though some only barely) so those who see STFC's adverts and want to play a Trek game but are put off by the fact that it mainly centers on the Kelvin Universe stuff, or that it is a phone game, or prefer an MMORPG instead of a 4x strat/tac game, are likely to try STO.
The amount of joysticks that got broke in our house, the thumbsticks, Kempstons (from the 80's) etc, you could have built a Tesla out of them. My 15-month younger hothead of a brother always blamed the computer
Getting Wil Wheaton to talk about this game might be the closest thing STO ever gets to anything remotely ad like.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."