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When are we going to get new T6 Versions for the Hirogen Ships?
nebulor
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Every other old t5 lcokbox ships have their t6 versions now. undine, voth, tholians etc...
so i think Hirogen should be next.
i really like the hirogen heavy escort bc of the 1.2 hull mod. if that thing had pilot plus intel or comand or smth like that, with an upgraded hullmod (maybe keep the trend as escort with highest hullmod? since its the beefiest t5 escort) for t6. a fitting new hirogen trait... would maybe be a cool tanky escort.
basically i am just wondering if there is plans for it, or if its just completelly forgotten lol?
plus i know a few other players who would like an upgraded t6 version of that ship so i wanted to ask about it, just to give some insentive for making it happen
so i think Hirogen should be next.
i really like the hirogen heavy escort bc of the 1.2 hull mod. if that thing had pilot plus intel or comand or smth like that, with an upgraded hullmod (maybe keep the trend as escort with highest hullmod? since its the beefiest t5 escort) for t6. a fitting new hirogen trait... would maybe be a cool tanky escort.
basically i am just wondering if there is plans for it, or if its just completelly forgotten lol?
plus i know a few other players who would like an upgraded t6 version of that ship so i wanted to ask about it, just to give some insentive for making it happen
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If Hirogen became relevant to plot again though (ex. became focal baddies for a season or two), T6 refits of their ships would shoot straight to the top and could lead a new lock box. But at present that doesn't seem to be coming soon...
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That would be a great candidate for T6 refit given the current arc...
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Its too bad the hunter was a very fun escort. I remember how fun the spin was when it was first added. The kweejen frigate has a much better 180 built in. Hopefully at some point Cryptic does redo both Hirogen... but at least the hunter it was the more popular (and interesting) of the two IMO. Not hopeful but it would be nice to get a surprise update... role playing as a Trek version of a Predator is good fun.
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I'll bite. What exactly did I miss.
and it's nigh impossible to get the recluse. that one needs to go to the lobi store or phoenix box
Honestly didn't see any of that as trolling. Or hurtful to the OP. Maybe my bar is set higher than most.
However, to satisfy I'll explain. The OP asked when there might be T6 Hirogen ships. My post was off the cuff without thinking through how someone else might view it as trolling.
I am never opposed to Cryptic/GearBox adding new ships to the game. Because this gets people who want those ships to spend money and keeps this thing which I've come to think of as Pokemon - Starfleet rolling along.
Cryptic's long standing practice is to add ships as T6 vessels whenever they can afford to. And, there is profit involved. Few of the current T6 ships available have been given away. The obvious exceptions are the Event ships from QWW and Risa and other Events. All of these I consider One-Offs. They are novelty ships which reflect the main IP mostly.
The OP wants T6 Hirogen ships. I'm happy the OP wants these. I sincerely hope he gets them. But I do not think T6 Hirogen ships will become available until they are profitable for Cryptic. If speaking my mind here is "trolling", then mea culpa. Granted I could have used some more tact in doing so.
You posted on another thread, badmoon shifted it here for you.
Oh did I? lol ok I didn't even notice.
Well thanks to badmoon then.
For what it is worth. Cryptic sold plenty of these as lockbox T5s. They where fairly popular in their day. They are also almost the last of the T5 lockbox ships to not get T6 replacements. The T6 upgrades is the cheapest content they can make really.... they already have both models as the T5 models are perfectly serviceable, and there are no alternate skins that would be requested from any trek shows. So all they really have to do is have Johnathan... create a T6 version of both consoles which again doesn't require new art just some stat additions/adjustments. Have him update the boff layout which again is just a copy and paste and adjust to add a pilot/intel on the hunter... and a Command/intel on the cruiser or something like that anyway. Dream up a couple new ship traits, and done. Easy additions to the infinity box.
It's CHEAP content creation in the extreme. As long as Johnathan isn't dreaming up any complicated ship traits that require tinkering... its an hour or two of his time and nothing else really.
We where getting the old T5s updated a consistent pace... they slowly redid all the old ones. Not just the popular ships like the Federation timeships or the Cardassian and Jem T5 ships. Also ships like the Elachi Tholian Voth Undine all got T6 remasters. The ONLY T5 left which was previously a grand prize from a lockbox is the Hirogen Hunter. The Hirogen Apex Heavy Battlecruiser is the last T5 lobi ship to not get a T6 remaster as well. We haven't gotten a new lobi ship in a long time now.... the hirogen apex would be an easy add and be the first new Lobi ship added in THREE years.
Uh... no its not just slap T6 on it and call it a day after an hour. All T6 ships have new models, traits, stats... a lot of things that need to be coded...
Coding is never a "one hour" job. One wrong character and it could bork god knows what else.
They don't need new models. The hirogen ships have no other models.
Traits don't need to be complicated. Adding stats to an existing console is not hard.
I'm sorry but there is no new coding needed. Outside a ship trait.... which can be as simple as using Attack pattern Beta gives X or some such thing we have many traits that are more or less copies of others. Copy an existing trait change what procs it easy peasy. Stat bumping existing ships is NOT hard. Its the least amount of work content imaginable. No new missions, no new voice overs, no new art... just copy and pasting for the most part.
Keep in mind... Cryptic already paid to produce this content years ago. You can argue they leaving that work sit at T5 where it does not sell is a deprecated value asset. If it can be turned around to produce income with minimal updating why not do it ? Its like any business having old stock in a warehouse... if all you have to do is print new packaging for it to sell it again, you don't leave it sitting in the warehouse. As we have stated they have already done this with previous T5 grand prize material... minimal amount of work to sell old stock in a new market.
Doing a simple copy/paste of a ship wholesale is not going to go over very well with a lot of people, and there will be complaints of Cryptic being lazy. If you're going to make a T6 why not update things while you're at it?
That is fair. I would say though in the case of the Hirogen there really aren't any new models are there ? The tholians have actually been seen a little more often. Point taken though. IMO a quicky reskin isn't all that much work either. I don't feel any of the T6 updates where actually hardwork. I'm not saying no work... its just not a 10 man job and week of developer time to block off to update any of these ships that where already created once already.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
You'd actually be surprised. While I am not a coder myself, I've spoken with people who have done coding for other things, and it is NOT easy.
And I'm pretty sure it takes longer than a week to design a ship, existing version or not. We had a livestream where they actually showed part of the process for designing a ship, using last year's Fek'lhri ship. And that part was actually quite involved, including looking at everything else in its ship type to see how well it will fit in with everything else.
That is an original design. Of a ship that doesn't already exist.
What we are talking about here is a refit. The model is done. As much as we talk about reskins... not every every T5->T6 got any changes. Last I checked ships like the Verne look no different in T6 then in T5. The T6 Vern upgrade... all they did was add passives to the console, and add a trait. That is it. There is no way that is hard work... and I have worked with software enough to know a copy paste tweak is a hell of a lot less work then a doing something new. (we are not talking about copying code for a completely different use here, we are talking about copying database entries lol)
The majority of the work is in the model... which doesn't require updating frankly.
No one expects a Hirogen ship is going to be some lead off for a December sales cycle or something. lol But updating them both and throwing them in the lobi/infinity box at any time is all that is needed.
Work required...
Skin/model... ZERO. We have had other T5s go 6 with zero update. Skins we have are fine.
Consoles...
[Console - Universal - Enhanced Inertial Damper Field] Copy console... adjust a couple numbers.
T5 Version
Initiate a Sudden Reversal of Direction
+100 Defense Rating for 2 sec
Weapons and Auxiliary Offline for 2 sec
After 2 seconds: +10% Bonus Damage for 8 sec, +10 Defense Rating for 8 sec
** Ability has up to 3 Charges. Replenishes one Charge per 60 seconds.
10 sec recharge
T6 Version
Initiate a Sudden Reversal of Direction
+100 Defense Rating for 4 sec
After 2 seconds: +20% Bonus Damage for 8 sec, +40 Defense Rating for 8 sec
** Ability has up to 3 Charges. Replenishes one Charge per 45 seconds.
10 sec recharge
Passives.
+20% cat 2 Tetryon damage. (it seems a given now that Johnathan is going to start adding more Cat2 energy consoles after the lure and dragon consoles... he says he wants people to use Tetryon, give them a reason)
+20 defense rating
Console - Universal - Photonic Decoy Swarm
T5 Version
Spawns Photonic Decoy Drones
Launches four level __ Decoy Drones for 30 sec.
* Each drone summons a Photonic Decoy that will fire upon all nearby foes.
* While at least one Drone is active within 5km, the user and all Decoys have a chance to become briefly untargetable every 2 seconds
* After 30sec, or upon destruction, each Drone explodes in a 2km radius dealing ____ Kinetic Damage.
T6 Version
x% All resist and either a EPS or weapon power drain passive.
Hirogen hunter t6
5 tac 4 engi 2 sci consoles
5/2 weapon layout with experimental
Battle cloak
Command Pilot/tac (or Intel/tac)
Lt Cmd Engi/Intel (or Engi/pilot)
Lt Cmd Uni
Lt Uni
Ensign Uni
Hirogen Apex t6
4 tac 5 engi 2 sci
Battle cloak
5/3 weapon layout
Command Engi/Intel (or Engi/Command)
Lt. Cmd tac
Lt Cmd Sci
Lt Universal/command(or Universal intel)
Ensign uni
Traits:
Hirogen Hunter T6
Never... sympathize with your prey:
When Decloaking or using Attack Pattern Omega:
+300 hull pen for 10s
+50% weapon haste for 10s
[To make this all they have to do is take Deadly Appearance trait copy paste and change +50 shield pen to hull pen]
Hirogn Apex T6
Never... let your prey suffer:
When you defeat prey:
+0.5% crth and 1.5% crtd for 20s
(Timer resets with each successful hunt)
Every 5th trophy while active:
+10% bonus all damage for 10s
* Never... let your prey suffer stacks to 100 for at total of +50% crith and +150 crtd.
[To make this all they have to do is take Ruin of our Enemies copy paste and change bonus dmg stacks and the cool down on 5th]
Still, it is probably a lot shorter process than doing a ship completely from scratch, though it would still take a while (I seem to remember some devs mentioning it taking about two weeks for the conversion to cycle though the whole process in one of the streams).
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Wells_Temporal_Science_Vessel
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Verne_Temporal_Science_Vessel
lol I don't even see the difference.
Fair I guess asking them to create a skin with a couple parts flipped spun or moved around a bit and update a few databases is asking a lot.
Bottom line is its not as much work as creating a new ship. The precedent was set that the old Lockbox T5s would get eventually T6 respins. The Hunter and Apex are a couple of the last T5 gamble level ships to not get a conversion. What has it been 15 other ships or so now that have gotten upgrades. Its past time to get the Hunter out of the Infinity T5 box... and the Apex out of the 800 lobi cat and into the 900 lobi cat.