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Beginning of the Federation storyline Idea,
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Last night at Ten Foward 1/10/23, Ambassador Kael said they never had anything for a "Beginning of the Federation" storyline/start planned, however he thinks it would be an interesting story to explore one day, if we ever do get to explore it one day we can continue where Enterprise left off with a time travel arc and tackle forgotten or unused concepts that were left behind like a satisfying conclusion to the Earth-Romulan war, T'Pol's Romulan hertiage, Trip Tucker faking his own death, Ect, It's all there, all Cryptic needs to do is fill in the blanks by connecting the dots and adding their own spin to it.
BTW I didn't come with the ideas of making T'Pol half Romulan or Trip faking his death, I only heard them on other sites, I'm just telling what I know, none it is mine though I would like to at least witness the Earth-Romulan war, if you can't do this, can you guys at Cryptic please convince CBS to bring back Enterprise for another season?
BTW I didn't come with the ideas of making T'Pol half Romulan or Trip faking his death, I only heard them on other sites, I'm just telling what I know, none it is mine though I would like to at least witness the Earth-Romulan war, if you can't do this, can you guys at Cryptic please convince CBS to bring back Enterprise for another season?
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I mean, it was a great set-up for an interesting story, but ultimately it was just a lot of unfinished potential.
Likewise, the Andorian-Vulcan and Andorian-Tellarite conflicts allowed Enterprise's creators to show how the founders of the Federation grew closer to one another - but that too felt too rushed. If you're going to show the process of worlds converging and cultures bridging gaps, you need to take your time for it.
As much as I liked and enjoyed Enterprise (and yes, its soundtrack too!
Of course this is partly because the show was cancelled earlier than expected - but the creators are also partly to blame since they seemed to want to do too many things in ENT's last season. If they had left out the Augment story for example and, even more important, the Terra Prime episodes (which must have set back things quite a bit) then they would have had more airtime to devote to the creation of the Alliance and, later, the Federation.
If Cryptic decides to do this story, I hope they'll take their time and don't rush it.
Unification, the ending of petty fights and working towards co-operation have the potential to inspire and thus make for great sci-fi writing, but it needs to feel organic and not forced/rushed.
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Andorian, tellerite, vulcan and human story line, working together, sounds like a gold mine of possibilities for the founding and early days of the federation there. Cooperation, setting aside differences and idiotic beliefs, working together to ensure the prosperity and survival of all life in the galaxy.
I though the augment episode was excellent because it fully explains why the klingons from the original series didn't have cranial ridges. Thought it was a creative and great story that fills the gaps from a series that was like forty years prior. Also explains the eugenic wars in more detail.
As far as the time travel arc, STO did do a series of missions about this, the nakul story arc about the temporal accords, the tholians, kal dano, and the tox utaht. I still like how sto handled this, brought goose bumps to me because if you pay attention to the story between all the pew pew, and use your imagination, it ties enterprise (the time ship episode, and the altered history of germany invading the u.s.), tng (vash, picard, and the tox utaht), the nakul (Vosk), daniels, kal dano (he's on Phlox's autopsy table), and tholians into a great story arc that spans two or three star trek series, and the player gets to hide the tox utaht in the cave on risa. It also explains exactly what the utaht is. I think the introduction of the lukari is in this arc and distracts from the story a bit. But is still put together well enough to sink your imagination into.
When i watch that tng episode when the scene comes up in the cave, a thought runs through my head- ya i buried it right there. lol
This thread was the first time I read about T'Pol being possibly half-Romulan, but Trip's death being faked is actually part of a novel.
Personally I thought his death was rather pointless and only included because there had not been big cast changes prior to this event. I always hoped that it would be made undone / shown not to be what it seemed if any follow-up story to Enterprise was ever made on-screen.
It certainly wasn't a bad story as it added a bit of content to a 'history' that we already kind of knew about (namely, the Eugenic Wars).
But, in my opinion, if you only have so many episodes left to tell a story, it's better to focus on that particular story instead of going in all sorts of unrelated directions. ENT needed to tell the beginning of the Federation - and preferably the difficult period after that with the Romulan war, the Federation succeeding and then growing to include more worlds.
It tried to do that - but they should have devoted more airtime to it, to ensure that it could develop more naturally.
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What I'd love to see is mystery plot using dual timeline idea in that there's 1 timeline where our characters are trying to solve the mystery and another where a point of view character is living the same events that way you can show the 22nd century without having to time travel there, if it's something like a ship that got lost mysteriously they might even be able to make us a NX-class interior to play with due said interior being used in a mission.
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I figured time travel would've been a better route than the whole running simulations thing they did for Discovery missions.
I'll admit that the idea is interesting. Somewhat.
Because T'Pol's 'interest' in experimenting with emotions didn't require a Romulan parent - it was explained by Trellium-D exposure already.
Besides, Enterprise also showed us that the Vulcans aren't as homogeneous as they sometimes seemed. Some groups actually did embrace their emotions without being Romulans. Some others (Like V'Las) seemingly only needed to be convinced that the Romulan way was better to stop suppressing their own emotions at times (I mean, the guy seemed pretty unstable compared to Tuvok, Koss or even a potentially half-Romulan T'Pol).
Explaining Vulcan culture and possible shortcomings through Romulan influence seems a bit too much like something you'd put as supporting text for the well-known 'Aliens' meme with the guy from History Channel or something like that.
Personally I'd prefer it if differences between Vulcans and Vulcan groups/convictions were shown by/in order to exploring/explore Vulcan culture - instead of explaining any deviation from the planets-of-hats trope by reducing one of Trek's richest cultures to 'they're either stiff, arrogant dogmatists - or Romulans'.
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Birth of the Federation.
Never played it myself though.
That was the game i referred to, but i was unsure if it was allowed to mention other games.
Never heard of it before.
Birth of the Federation was released back in 1999 for PC, released around the time of Star Trek: Insurrection. It's kind of like a star trek version of civilization, in which you're controlling one of five factions vying to control space around you.
What!? Seriously, get it downloaded, it's freeware nowadays, but get either All the Ages mod or the Dominion Mod. If you like grand strategy, this is a great game to play.
https://www.armadafleetcommand.com/botf
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Oh so It's like Quantum Leap, another show that starred Scott Bakula, it came out before my time (I was born in 1993) but I've enjoyed the episodes, it was such fun concept.
Now that you mentioned essentially yes, though without the implied time travel, the idea is that the "present" is our character reading logs and reports and "past" is our character imagining what happened into those reports.
Sad, isn't it? We'll turn 30 and officially be old this year.
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30 is now 'officially' old? I turn 61 next month. I am most certainly not old.
The majority of the actors in Star Trek are 30+. Most of the characters in Star Trek are in their thirties.
Age is a number. Nothing more.
And, because it needs to be said, "I would have gotten away with it, too! If it weren't for you meddling kids!" XD
I'm not a copyright lawyer. But from what I understand, titles cannot be copyrighted although they can fall under trademark laws if they have stuffs like "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "D&D", "Warhammer", etc. in them.
There have been many books, shows, and movies with the exact same title but totally different plots, e.g. "The Avengers" (1998) and (2012).
As for the OP, this idea is all very interesting. Definitely looking forward to future details on the matter.
Warhammer, however, is in an awkward position because there is an actual historic weapon called a War Hammer that predates that by a few hundred years. So in a way that one would be pretty much impossible to enforce because its about as common as band aid pretty much. Yea there's the brand, but everyone and their wee doggie too just uses it as a generic term for bandage.
I turned 40 last year, I got laugh when people think 30 is ancient, maybe in anime or other Japanese media, but honestly I'm decade past 30 and I don't feel old normally (there's some situations where do but those aren't that common).
Cataclysm is a common word too - didn't stop Blizzard from forcing Homeworld's 1.5 'sequel' to change its name from Cataclysm to Emergence.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"