I have over 200K of Dilithium with a daily intake of 10-18K and this is when I realised F2P Players have the same 8K Refining limit. Lifetime Subscribers should have an Unlimited amount. And All rewards like Reputation Doubled or Quadrupled; as I noticed most Online games, the F2P players are receiving greater bonuses without Subscribers gaining anything.
Play more than one captain if you want to refine more than 8K + 1K.
If you haven't gone through the TOS, Romulan, and Klingon story episodes, they're good. The Dominion ones are too but most of them are available to all factions.
I have over 200K of Dilithium with a daily intake of 10-18K and this is when I realised F2P Players have the same 8K Refining limit. Lifetime Subscribers should have an Unlimited amount.
Good one...
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,568Community Moderator
I will disagree with the unlimited refine thing. The economy is already in serious pain as it is.
But I do agree we need something new. The Captain's Table offers, well... nothing we can't get anywhere else. The Vet Destroyers are nice. The EV suits are nice.
But... not much over F2P overall. My main gripe is The Captain's Table though.
I have over 200K of Dilithium with a daily intake of 10-18K and this is when I realised F2P Players have the same 8K Refining limit. Lifetime Subscribers should have an Unlimited amount.
Good one...
I have 714 Dilithium Claims that I didn't realise I had, throw that on top of a Delta Cadet and standard Dilithium from Missions and it is between 10-18K
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Yeah im familiar also in other games where subscribers has they benefits, but these infinity refining etc.. would not only destroy Economy/in a future demands to a game when piling up even further a stuff in players pockets. Also i would see these infinity stuff also would build up too big "bridge" between a players who cannot/wanna afford lifetime subscription, but also uses a "real cash" trough Zen store wich is what they also want, not turning them away even more.
I can be wrong, but i would rather wanna see monthly subscription coming back again or so. Because i would wanna see also rewards in my hands wich subscribers can have nowadays including ships etc.. (i admit little hoarder in here).
I have over 200K of Dilithium with a daily intake of 10-18K and this is when I realised F2P Players have the same 8K Refining limit. Lifetime Subscribers should have an Unlimited amount. And All rewards like Reputation Doubled or Quadrupled; as I noticed most Online games, the F2P players are receiving greater bonuses without Subscribers gaining anything.
However... there actually IS increased refining for lifetime subscribers... it's just so cumbersome to use that a lot of people probably don't bother. There's a DOFF assignment you can pick up at the Academy that refines an extra 1000, can be used once every 48 hours.
I'm one of those people who generally don't bother with this assignment. Even if I'm already on that map, it's just not worth it to me. Only on a very rare occasion where I need just a little bit more dilithium AND happen to be close, I'll use the assignment.
Making this something that's available everywhere could be an improvement.
The Liberated Borg ones aren't that interesting anymore now that most of their gear and some uniform pieces have been added to the lock boxes and lobi store. I've always found the species rather limited, with only Humans, Klingons and Romulans as liberated options.
The Talaxians aren't really special either, their trait just gives some additional bonus points.
In my opinion, the Caitians are a good way to design a species. They get a trait that's more than just some stat increase - instead it's something you always notice because you can jump higher.
That's what premium species - which I believe should be an important part of the Veteran rewards - should be. They should have some unique characteristic that you really notice while playing, without that thing being something that gives an unfair advantage.
Most other stuff - gear, ships, uniforms etc. - is so plentiful that having one more option isn't that good a reward for an expensive package. In my opinion. So if they expanded the lifer rewards, I hope they'll focus on the thing that's less numerous: species. Specifically, making unique species and making the ones that currently exist more interesting.
I have over 200K of Dilithium with a daily intake of 10-18K and this is when I realised F2P Players have the same 8K Refining limit. Lifetime Subscribers should have an Unlimited amount. And All rewards like Reputation Doubled or Quadrupled; as I noticed most Online games, the F2P players are receiving greater bonuses without Subscribers gaining anything.
An unlimited amount of refining would destroy the economy even more than the lack of demand already has.
However... there actually IS increased refining for lifetime subscribers... it's just so cumbersome to use that a lot of people probably don't bother. There's a DOFF assignment you can pick up at the Academy that refines an extra 1000, can be used once every 48 hours.
As for increasing the LTS rewards... I could get behind that, though maybe not in the same direction. For examples:
- faster Reputation advancement (not marks, but the projects giving additional progress)
- access to the fleet Commendation XP -> Fleet Marks conversion without having to go to your Fleet Starbase console
- free and/or infinite Fleet Marks bonus pools
- free and/or infinite Commendation XP bonus pools
- free and/or infinite R&D XP bonus pools
I've really only wanted to see one thing as an improvement to my Lifetime Subscription:
Higher Zen Stipend, in line with other quality MMOs subscriber offers.
500 Zen per month = basically 5 bucks
Every other MMO I play offers at -least- $15 of store currency per month for subscribers. One game recently increased that offering to $16.50. This is equal or greater than the monthly subscription cost. (all offers are calculated at lowest base amount cost)
In other words, you're getting more value for your subscription dollar. And it's part of the reason I maintain those subscriptions.
Now granted, Cryptic already has my LTS money. But they -don't- have my regular Zen purchase money. And they rarely get it. I will sooner walk away from STO for months at a time, and let that 500/Month accrue until it's an amount I can use for something substantial.
Might just be me, but if that monthly stipend accrued faster, I'd be -more- inclined to hang around, and far more likely to spend money to add Zen to that pile faster. 1500/Month? Hey, 2 months, that's a ship! I add enough to double it, that's a bundle!
Sounds crazy, but it works.
Another idea? Five or ten account-bound Master Keys per month. There are other games with lockboxes that do this for subscribers. It wouldn't kill Cryptic to do it here.
Most stuff that's bought with Zen is much more expensive now compared to when they decided that you'd get 500 of it monthly. An increase would thus help to reflect that the overall value of Zen has somewhat decreased (in terms of what you can buy in the store).
And it would probably help with spending too indeed. 500 Zen is almost worthless, usually I'll just convert it to dilithium or buy a few keys at some point. With 1000 monthly zen for example, I might indeed try harder to save it two months and buy another 1000 to get a ship as I'm unlikely to save for three months. Let alone 6 to buy that same ship.
Actually Lifesubscribers has already got they rewards by buying they subscription wich is out of limits from others, even Zen store buyers(wich are realy money users).
Those games nowadays has a monthlysubscription payment possiblity and even if count lifetime price without "in sale" wich is around 300usd. Let say this amount put in a lifetime span like 3years lets say. is about 8,33usd per month and even less if someone had it for much longer time. So in my mind these requestes like 1000zen zens for a month is just greedy they would run out real micromanagement soon if they would plan something like this. Besides those who have pay it lifetimeamount (even more those who bough it in a sale) would benefit in constant future if they would plan to get subscription back compared to those who would pay monthly subscription again for excample, or even without if with a flatbonuses wich i have suggested in below...
I would except perhaps some minor passive earning EC,refining like 1000(not count that possiblity wich already is there) more, small percentage bonus earning marks and XP even or somewhat small daily logging reward box wich can include something. Also maybe passive discount in ZEN store products for lifesubscribers.
Like i say it earlier already, i would love to see monthly subscrition coming back so other players can possible obtain those benefits this way also all up to wich is maxinum veterans days to earn already excisted prizes and these minor bonuses if keep paying up compared to lifetimesubscribers. This could and would give chances for a bigger players base to part of "benefically" and not percentage amount of players who only earn benefits and i would say most players do not. Not sure percentage of players who are lifetimesubscribers from playerbase. This way Gearbox Studios would possible get more flat paying customers wich not include random ZEN store buyers(micromanagement).
they need to add back stuff that was given away, like exclusive PC races. maybe some sort of LS armor and or ground weapon.
Fix the captains table si you can enter either through the space gateway or from a door in the social hubs, with a menu to leave at a different place, I.E. pop in at ESD, leave at DS9. DS9, the 2 dyson spheres universal gates, and then faction gates to Quonos and ESD
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,568Community Moderator
they need to add back stuff that was given away, like exclusive PC races.
Um... what? They have never given away any Lifer races. Its Liberated Borg and Talaxian that you get as a Lifer. All others that exist are either stock or C-Store, and any that were given away are C-Store.
they need to add back stuff that was given away, like exclusive PC races.
Um... what? They have never given away any Lifer races. Its Liberated Borg and Talaxian that you get as a Lifer. All others that exist are either stock or C-Store, and any that were given away are C-Store.
Maybe he's thinking Joined trill where a lifer race originally. they weren't they where a pre-order race IIRC
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I don't agree that the dil exchange should be unlimited for lifers. The dil exchange is way too out of whack currently to increase the amounts we can refine. However, some changes should be made to make it worth more in the later stages of this game's life. Personally, I think the zen stipend should be increased. Ideally I think it should be upped to 1,000 a month so that you can pick up a new t6 zen ship once every 3 months as a lifer. At the very least they should increase it to 750 so you can get one every four months instead of 6 as it currently takes to earn enough zen for a single t6 ship unlock.
This gives incentive for the lifetime sub, this gives a little push to those who may be a few hundred off from a brand new ship to buy the remaining zen, and allows for the mainly f2p player to get new ships (or other items) on a somewhat reliable schedule. (Full disclosure I'm the type of player that saved up my stipend to buy the basic 10th anniversary bundle.)
I would also like to see the captains table as a better more useful social hub. I also like what someone above said about having doorways that lead to different parts of the galaxy (ESD, Qonos, DS9, Dyson Sphere, New Rom, etc...) to make travel from there even faster.
I don't agree that the dil exchange should be unlimited for lifers. The dil exchange is way too out of whack currently to increase the amounts we can refine. However, some changes should be made to make it worth more in the later stages of this game's life. Personally, I think the zen stipend should be increased. Ideally I think it should be upped to 1,000 a month so that you can pick up a new t6 zen ship once every 3 months as a lifer. At the very least they should increase it to 750 so you can get one every four months instead of 6 as it currently takes to earn enough zen for a single t6 ship unlock.
This gives incentive for the lifetime sub, this gives a little push to those who may be a few hundred off from a brand new ship to buy the remaining zen, and allows for the mainly f2p player to get new ships (or other items) on a somewhat reliable schedule. (Full disclosure I'm the type of player that saved up my stipend to buy the basic 10th anniversary bundle.)
I would also like to see the captains table as a better more useful social hub. I also like what someone above said about having doorways that lead to different parts of the galaxy (ESD, Qonos, DS9, Dyson Sphere, New Rom, etc...) to make travel from there even faster.
..are you saying that non-LTS players doesnt use real money for buying ZEN Store, but seems LTS player like you "counting on" they buying from zen store with a free ZEN´s wich LTS provides to them, but it should be even more what is it already ?
In my mind Gearbox should start open they eyes and spread out these possiblities already by providing subscriptions. Besides seems you already getting 500Zens in month ? Well that is good enough already, i dont think main purpose of is LTS cleans up ZEN store stuff with they free Zens in too short time span either. How do you think they will ever get "income" from this.
it will never happen, but I think that if you are LTS, you should get an infinity coupon for T6, and give the option of turning it in for 2 T5U. then it would make it worthwhile again
CPTs table is a useless location at this juncture. nothing there you cant get elsewhere in the game. no perks, no fun things to do etc.
It wouldn't be difficult to make Captain's Table useful. Just add a Transwarp to Captain's Table without a cooldown, have the ability to return to the same location like Fleet Holdings, and have every single amenity available with easy access to each instead of a ton of running around. Getting a visual overhaul of Captain's Table is extremely unlikely since unless there is a mission involving the Captain's Table for everyone, the devs will do nothing about it.
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It wouldn't be difficult to make Captain's Table useful. Just add a Transwarp to Captain's Table without a cooldown, have the ability to return to the same location like Fleet Holdings, and have every single amenity available with easy access to each instead of a ton of running around. Getting a visual overhaul of Captain's Table is extremely unlikely since unless there is a mission involving the Captain's Table for everyone, the devs will do nothing about it.
The problem is that it suffers from the same problem Bajor does. Being right next door to another major hub. For the Captain's table that's ESD, Qo'noS, AND New Romulus (via Aenigma Nebula). And the Captain's Table offers nothing you can't access at ESD. Just giving it all the amenities might help, but unless they address a few other things, like actually giving it something that you can't get anywhere else, it will still be more convenient to just use your faction's home hub because fewer load screens.
To be fair, I don't really care about the Captain's Table. But things that are advertised should certainly work - or it shouldn't be advertised as being part of the deal.
I'd be happy with some updated modern looking Borg pieces for Liberated...that lobi set completely puts Liberated to shame
Suliban for RR and Vorta for JH since they don't get Talaxian
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,568Community Moderator
edited June 2022
Well... to be fair, I don't think Liberated Borg have been touched since launch, so its all launch era stuff other than any uniforms added since that we all have access to.
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If you haven't gone through the TOS, Romulan, and Klingon story episodes, they're good. The Dominion ones are too but most of them are available to all factions.
Good one...
But I do agree we need something new. The Captain's Table offers, well... nothing we can't get anywhere else. The Vet Destroyers are nice. The EV suits are nice.
But... not much over F2P overall. My main gripe is The Captain's Table though.
I have 714 Dilithium Claims that I didn't realise I had, throw that on top of a Delta Cadet and standard Dilithium from Missions and it is between 10-18K
Lifers get all the old Subscriber perks over time instantly actually.
I can be wrong, but i would rather wanna see monthly subscription coming back again or so. Because i would wanna see also rewards in my hands wich subscribers can have nowadays including ships etc.. (i admit little hoarder in here).
More refinement of something that's already so abundant, isn't that interesting.
I'm one of those people who generally don't bother with this assignment. Even if I'm already on that map, it's just not worth it to me. Only on a very rare occasion where I need just a little bit more dilithium AND happen to be close, I'll use the assignment.
Making this something that's available everywhere could be an improvement.
The Liberated Borg ones aren't that interesting anymore now that most of their gear and some uniform pieces have been added to the lock boxes and lobi store. I've always found the species rather limited, with only Humans, Klingons and Romulans as liberated options.
The Talaxians aren't really special either, their trait just gives some additional bonus points.
In my opinion, the Caitians are a good way to design a species. They get a trait that's more than just some stat increase - instead it's something you always notice because you can jump higher.
That's what premium species - which I believe should be an important part of the Veteran rewards - should be. They should have some unique characteristic that you really notice while playing, without that thing being something that gives an unfair advantage.
Most other stuff - gear, ships, uniforms etc. - is so plentiful that having one more option isn't that good a reward for an expensive package. In my opinion. So if they expanded the lifer rewards, I hope they'll focus on the thing that's less numerous: species. Specifically, making unique species and making the ones that currently exist more interesting.
This! Big thumbs up!
Higher Zen Stipend, in line with other quality MMOs subscriber offers.
500 Zen per month = basically 5 bucks
Every other MMO I play offers at -least- $15 of store currency per month for subscribers. One game recently increased that offering to $16.50. This is equal or greater than the monthly subscription cost. (all offers are calculated at lowest base amount cost)
In other words, you're getting more value for your subscription dollar. And it's part of the reason I maintain those subscriptions.
Now granted, Cryptic already has my LTS money. But they -don't- have my regular Zen purchase money. And they rarely get it. I will sooner walk away from STO for months at a time, and let that 500/Month accrue until it's an amount I can use for something substantial.
Might just be me, but if that monthly stipend accrued faster, I'd be -more- inclined to hang around, and far more likely to spend money to add Zen to that pile faster. 1500/Month? Hey, 2 months, that's a ship! I add enough to double it, that's a bundle!
Sounds crazy, but it works.
Another idea? Five or ten account-bound Master Keys per month. There are other games with lockboxes that do this for subscribers. It wouldn't kill Cryptic to do it here.
Most stuff that's bought with Zen is much more expensive now compared to when they decided that you'd get 500 of it monthly. An increase would thus help to reflect that the overall value of Zen has somewhat decreased (in terms of what you can buy in the store).
And it would probably help with spending too indeed. 500 Zen is almost worthless, usually I'll just convert it to dilithium or buy a few keys at some point. With 1000 monthly zen for example, I might indeed try harder to save it two months and buy another 1000 to get a ship as I'm unlikely to save for three months. Let alone 6 to buy that same ship.
Those games nowadays has a monthlysubscription payment possiblity and even if count lifetime price without "in sale" wich is around 300usd. Let say this amount put in a lifetime span like 3years lets say. is about 8,33usd per month and even less if someone had it for much longer time. So in my mind these requestes like 1000zen zens for a month is just greedy they would run out real micromanagement soon if they would plan something like this. Besides those who have pay it lifetimeamount (even more those who bough it in a sale) would benefit in constant future if they would plan to get subscription back compared to those who would pay monthly subscription again for excample, or even without if with a flatbonuses wich i have suggested in below...
I would except perhaps some minor passive earning EC,refining like 1000(not count that possiblity wich already is there) more, small percentage bonus earning marks and XP even or somewhat small daily logging reward box wich can include something. Also maybe passive discount in ZEN store products for lifesubscribers.
Like i say it earlier already, i would love to see monthly subscrition coming back so other players can possible obtain those benefits this way also all up to wich is maxinum veterans days to earn already excisted prizes and these minor bonuses if keep paying up compared to lifetimesubscribers. This could and would give chances for a bigger players base to part of "benefically" and not percentage amount of players who only earn benefits and i would say most players do not. Not sure percentage of players who are lifetimesubscribers from playerbase. This way Gearbox Studios would possible get more flat paying customers wich not include random ZEN store buyers(micromanagement).
Fix the captains table si you can enter either through the space gateway or from a door in the social hubs, with a menu to leave at a different place, I.E. pop in at ESD, leave at DS9. DS9, the 2 dyson spheres universal gates, and then faction gates to Quonos and ESD
Um... what? They have never given away any Lifer races. Its Liberated Borg and Talaxian that you get as a Lifer. All others that exist are either stock or C-Store, and any that were given away are C-Store.
Maybe he's thinking Joined trill where a lifer race originally. they weren't they where a pre-order race IIRC
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This gives incentive for the lifetime sub, this gives a little push to those who may be a few hundred off from a brand new ship to buy the remaining zen, and allows for the mainly f2p player to get new ships (or other items) on a somewhat reliable schedule. (Full disclosure I'm the type of player that saved up my stipend to buy the basic 10th anniversary bundle.)
I would also like to see the captains table as a better more useful social hub. I also like what someone above said about having doorways that lead to different parts of the galaxy (ESD, Qonos, DS9, Dyson Sphere, New Rom, etc...) to make travel from there even faster.
..are you saying that non-LTS players doesnt use real money for buying ZEN Store, but seems LTS player like you "counting on" they buying from zen store with a free ZEN´s wich LTS provides to them, but it should be even more what is it already ?
In my mind Gearbox should start open they eyes and spread out these possiblities already by providing subscriptions. Besides seems you already getting 500Zens in month ? Well that is good enough already, i dont think main purpose of is LTS cleans up ZEN store stuff with they free Zens in too short time span either. How do you think they will ever get "income" from this.
It wouldn't be difficult to make Captain's Table useful. Just add a Transwarp to Captain's Table without a cooldown, have the ability to return to the same location like Fleet Holdings, and have every single amenity available with easy access to each instead of a ton of running around. Getting a visual overhaul of Captain's Table is extremely unlikely since unless there is a mission involving the Captain's Table for everyone, the devs will do nothing about it.
The problem is that it suffers from the same problem Bajor does. Being right next door to another major hub. For the Captain's table that's ESD, Qo'noS, AND New Romulus (via Aenigma Nebula). And the Captain's Table offers nothing you can't access at ESD. Just giving it all the amenities might help, but unless they address a few other things, like actually giving it something that you can't get anywhere else, it will still be more convenient to just use your faction's home hub because fewer load screens.
I see they have finally removed the Forum titles from the list of lifer rewards. That one was mentioned even years after it was taken away.
https://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3026853
A 'fun' fact: it seems the liberated Borg aren't even advertised as being part of the rewards anymore.
Suliban for RR and Vorta for JH since they don't get Talaxian
If this is a legit omission, I'll pass it up the chain, because far as I know they are still Lifer only.
edit: Ok it not only does NOT mention Lib Borg, but it also doesn't mention Talaxians. Went ahead and passed this up the chain.