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Have the devs ever talked about an end game for STO? I really love this game but once you hit the cap it feels like hitting a wall. I would love seeing big ship ops against enemy unites, maybe even where strategy and tactics have a play. Maybe even a campaign that players can work on completing against enemy X. They could also push the story as well. Does anyone know if this has ever been brought up? I would love to come here and play as much as I can, but endeavors don't really do it for me. It just feels like items x, y, and z and that's it.
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They tried 'big ship ops' and people complained it took 'too long'.
They tried 'tougher enemies' and people complained it was 'too hard'
Any time Cryptic comes up with something that requires more than a little effort, that takes longer than 10 minutes, where someone can't play afk, some folk complain and Cryptic acquiesce.
The best you can hope for at the moment is playing things on Elite difficulty mode for Episodes and Elite TFO's.
Sadly, Lee speaks the truth. players almost always take the path of least resistance. I am guilty, though i am SICK of Iupiter Iratus it's the fastest tfo in the grind
Ooooo... I like the sound of that.
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I prefer it when it's more than 10 minutes...a LOT more.
space barbie is the true end game!
Just kidding. I like the idea of some sort of counter / mechanic on a galactic scale, like an asteroid is on course for a populated planet, a very large amount of Doff assignments are required to avert tragedy.. that sort of thing.
You know technically I did mention Space Barbie.
That's one reason to add ground patrols, so we can take our whole dress-up squad on adventures in between story episodes.
Maybe intentionally do ground stu.........hahahahaha, no don't do that.
Elite Barbie is very challenging. On console we have 20 minute queues just to get on the right screen to do our outfits.
LOL, supposedly the PS5 and Xbox Series X are better at loading the tailor, but yes on my older Xbox One it is painfully slow.
What you are talking about is called "emergent behavior", and it would be great if they decide to put it in at least to some degree at some point.
One of the best things about the old Defiance game was that it had it (though in a limited form) and players could actually make a difference in how the various scenarios played out by doing things like intercepting enemy units on the way to an attack (they often marched clear across an open-world region to get to the attack site) which kept players at the main attack site from getting buried in hellbugs or whatever. Also, since the different types of mobs were usually hostile to each other you could lure one type to attack the other and draw off some of the forces from whatever your objective was to deal with it (even if that objective was just to kill one of the types).
Most games that depend on it don't use the AI version much (if at all), they just pit players against each other in a crafting/resource gathering economy (EVE Online is the prime example of that). Either way though, it can make a game world really come alive.
Something like that would not be easy to implement, but if they are planning some refactoring to fix and streamline things in the game anyway (like the recent jump in minimum requirements suggests they are) then if they did it with some AI emergent behavior systems in mind it could be very rewarding to both the company and the players and refresh the game for a long time to come.
tl;dr Give us strange new worlds and places to boldly go where no one has gone before.
They used to have exploration zones that were composed of random pre-made scenario fragments, sort of like patrols but usually shorter and rather pointless, jammed together in random sequences. From what I heard they were more a laughingstock because of all the context errors than anything anyone wanted to play.
Often it was scan some rocks, plants, or broken tech junk a number of times and maybe if you were lucky get jumped by some random NPC enemies. And both PCs and NPCs would often either start inside of a terrain feature and be unable to get out, or fall through gaps in the patchwork ground maps.
From what the devs said that is pretty much the limit of what they can do without a massive engine overhaul that would allow them to add the necessary framework for an actual procedurally generated system.
At the very least they would have to clean and organize the environmental objects directories into something that a program could work with instead of the sloppy current one that depends on human memory to guess at where things are and hunt for them to put into a manually built map.
The game was always meant to be a conventional mission-oriented format (the engine started out as a modified superhero game engine) and since STO was a last-minute save where Cryptic picked up the ball from another company and ran with it they had to initially cut corners to make the deadline so adding major systems like true exploration was not a viable option. Adding it after the fact is probably possible but at a steep cost, one they probably do not feel comfortable gambling on.
On the other hand, adding some emergent behavior AI and co-dependent event trees would probably be easier, though still probably a lot of work.