> @legendarylycan#5411 said: > Spock is emotional in EVERY timeline - he literally smiled at a flower in TOS.
The Cage is an unaired pilot and not TOS. The production reason is that the character wasn’t developed yet. But no one would have considered the cage as canonical TOS until it was released in the 90s.
However there are TOS examples when Spock does smile. For instance in Amok Time after he finds out Kirk is alive.
> @legendarylycan#5411 said:
> Spock is emotional in EVERY timeline - he literally smiled at a flower in TOS.
The Cage is an unaired pilot and not TOS. The production reason is that the character wasn’t developed yet. But no one would have considered the cage as canonical TOS until it was released in the 90s.
However there are TOS examples when Spock does smile. For instance in Amok Time after he finds out Kirk is alive.
The Cage was canonized in 1966 when it was put in a TOS envelope and turned into the two-parter The Menagerie, so it is part of TOS, and the scene with Spock smiling at the "singing" flower was definitely in the parts used in that TOS episode, along with other expressions like disbelief, and raising his voice in tense situations like when he ordered the helm to
blast them out of orbit with the emergency rockets.
Those "emergency rockets" were what they were calling the impulse drives in the first pilot btw, and the first series bible (there were several) described them as matter-antimatter rockets which were only used in emergencies, but were retconned into something more like the Kzinti gravity planar drive later on, when it was pointed out that the gamma ray exhaust such a rocket would produce could cause serious problems for planets and ships behind them when using it.
Anyway, the logic was never about a lack of emotion, it was an iron fisted control over having too much emotion and aggressive natural tendencies.
It was something that originally was part of Number One's heritage, not Spock's, because Roddenberry wanted to explore the moral issues of transhumanism vs. humanism. Her bio had her as a descendent of engineered supersoldiers, what was later called an 'augment', and people like her had to consciously use Kantian ethics rules to compensate for their damaged innate moral sense.
As you can probably tell from that bias, Roddenberry was a staunch humanist, and had the network picked up the series without insisting that he "get rid of the ears and ditch the broad" (as the NBC rep put it to Roddenberry) it would soon have been clear that he liked to use a contradictory dichotomy, where the "devilish looking" Spock was the "angel on Pike's shoulder" while the pretty woman was actually the calculating and brutally pragmatic "devil" on the other shoulder when it came to advice.
Sigh. Just remove the tailor restrictions for both captains and boffs. Sure, *someone* will be deeply offended, but someone is already deeply offended that captains and boffs can wear any non-canon uniforms.
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so [cl]ucking what."
[I saw hate in a graveyard -- Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]”
It's called Star Trek logic? Orions canonically wore stuff like that...but when did you ever see a Starfleet officer walk around DS9 in a bikini?
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
but when did you ever see spock or any DS9 SF Officer fly a thenziki (spelling, yeah its wrong...lol), gorn, etc ship?
Well Spock did kind of have command, or at least weapon control of the Klingon BoP in STV, I know, we mostly forget about that movie. Also in the TNG season 2 episode "A Matter of Honor" Riker did have command of another Klingon BoP for a short while. To be fair, neither of these incidents were permanent, but they did happen
but when did you ever see spock or any DS9 SF Officer fly a thenziki (spelling, yeah its wrong...lol), gorn, etc ship?
Well Spock did kind of have command, or at least weapon control of the Klingon BoP in STV, I know, we mostly forget about that movie. Also in the TNG season 2 episode "A Matter of Honor" Riker did have command of another Klingon BoP for a short while. To be fair, neither of these incidents were permanent, but they did happen
temporary vs perm. that is the largest point about cross faction flying.
it is obvious they allowed cross faction flying to gain more money from the player base. but why then halt the use of any bridge on any ship? they already broke one thing, so why not allow other thing?
so it also lends to the topic. just allow beachwear...anywhere. rather dumb that it has restrictions in place.
The excuse they have given us is that the code for which bridges are allowed is in each individual ship, rather than in one central file. So that they would have to go and edit every ship in the game, and they can't afford it. It seems hard to imagine that any codemonkey worth his salt would set it up that way, but...
but when did you ever see spock or any DS9 SF Officer fly a thenziki (spelling, yeah its wrong...lol), gorn, etc ship?
Well Spock did kind of have command, or at least weapon control of the Klingon BoP in STV, I know, we mostly forget about that movie. Also in the TNG season 2 episode "A Matter of Honor" Riker did have command of another Klingon BoP for a short while. To be fair, neither of these incidents were permanent, but they did happen
temporary vs perm. that is the largest point about cross faction flying.
it is obvious they allowed cross faction flying to gain more money from the player base. but why then halt the use of any bridge on any ship? they already broke one thing, so why not allow other thing?
so it also lends to the topic. just allow beachwear...anywhere. rather dumb that it has restrictions in place.
The excuse they have given us is that the code for which bridges are allowed is in each individual ship, rather than in one central file. So that they would have to go and edit every ship in the game, and they can't afford it. It seems hard to imagine that any codemonkey worth his salt would set it up that way, but...
It is the way the database is set up, they probably designed it with the idea that every ship would have its own bridge and maybe an alternate or two at most back before it was decided that doing custom bridges was too much bother. It does not help that they got rid of most of their database people either, so they have fewer hands typing entries into it.
At the very least they should have a decent default instead of that hideous concrete parking garage bridge though.
but when did you ever see spock or any DS9 SF Officer fly a thenziki (spelling, yeah its wrong...lol), gorn, etc ship?
Well Spock did kind of have command, or at least weapon control of the Klingon BoP in STV, I know, we mostly forget about that movie. Also in the TNG season 2 episode "A Matter of Honor" Riker did have command of another Klingon BoP for a short while. To be fair, neither of these incidents were permanent, but they did happen
temporary vs perm. that is the largest point about cross faction flying.
it is obvious they allowed cross faction flying to gain more money from the player base. but why then halt the use of any bridge on any ship? they already broke one thing, so why not allow other thing?
so it also lends to the topic. just allow beachwear...anywhere. rather dumb that it has restrictions in place.
The excuse they have given us is that the code for which bridges are allowed is in each individual ship, rather than in one central file. So that they would have to go and edit every ship in the game, and they can't afford it. It seems hard to imagine that any codemonkey worth his salt would set it up that way, but...
It is the way the database is set up, they probably designed it with the idea that every ship would have its own bridge and maybe an alternate or two at most back before it was decided that doing custom bridges was too much bother. It does not help that they got rid of most of their database people either, so they have fewer hands typing entries into it.
At the very least they should have a decent default instead of that hideous concrete parking garage bridge though.
IIRC there was some implication that the last bridge Donnie made (shown on the fed interior kit streams, during the Yorktown bridge build IIRC) would be the new default bridge you get (though origin wouldn't be removed) and it's not as grey or big as Origin.
Honestly the glitched tailor had long been one of my pet peeves in sto, you see all these players using glitched characters, with appearances and outfits that shouldn't be possible to make in the tailor. and you think, how is it fair that they get to use that and I can't?
Just make the tailor unrestricted so everyone can make whatever insane creations they want.
Honestly the glitched tailor had long been one of my pet peeves in sto, you see all these players using glitched characters, with appearances and outfits that shouldn't be possible to make in the tailor. and you think, how is it fair that they get to use that and I can't?
Just make the tailor unrestricted so everyone can make whatever insane creations they want.
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> Spock is emotional in EVERY timeline - he literally smiled at a flower in TOS.
The Cage is an unaired pilot and not TOS. The production reason is that the character wasn’t developed yet. But no one would have considered the cage as canonical TOS until it was released in the 90s.
However there are TOS examples when Spock does smile. For instance in Amok Time after he finds out Kirk is alive.
The Cage was canonized in 1966 when it was put in a TOS envelope and turned into the two-parter The Menagerie, so it is part of TOS, and the scene with Spock smiling at the "singing" flower was definitely in the parts used in that TOS episode, along with other expressions like disbelief, and raising his voice in tense situations like when he ordered the helm to
blast them out of orbit with the emergency rockets.
Those "emergency rockets" were what they were calling the impulse drives in the first pilot btw, and the first series bible (there were several) described them as matter-antimatter rockets which were only used in emergencies, but were retconned into something more like the Kzinti gravity planar drive later on, when it was pointed out that the gamma ray exhaust such a rocket would produce could cause serious problems for planets and ships behind them when using it.
Anyway, the logic was never about a lack of emotion, it was an iron fisted control over having too much emotion and aggressive natural tendencies.
It was something that originally was part of Number One's heritage, not Spock's, because Roddenberry wanted to explore the moral issues of transhumanism vs. humanism. Her bio had her as a descendent of engineered supersoldiers, what was later called an 'augment', and people like her had to consciously use Kantian ethics rules to compensate for their damaged innate moral sense.
As you can probably tell from that bias, Roddenberry was a staunch humanist, and had the network picked up the series without insisting that he "get rid of the ears and ditch the broad" (as the NBC rep put it to Roddenberry) it would soon have been clear that he liked to use a contradictory dichotomy, where the "devilish looking" Spock was the "angel on Pike's shoulder" while the pretty woman was actually the calculating and brutally pragmatic "devil" on the other shoulder when it came to advice.
It's called Star Trek logic? Orions canonically wore stuff like that...but when did you ever see a Starfleet officer walk around DS9 in a bikini?
On the way to/from the holosuites, or fleeing said holosuites during an attack/red alert/etc.
Or after Q decided to snap them into one, because he thought it'd be funny.
Well Spock did kind of have command, or at least weapon control of the Klingon BoP in STV, I know, we mostly forget about that movie. Also in the TNG season 2 episode "A Matter of Honor" Riker did have command of another Klingon BoP for a short while. To be fair, neither of these incidents were permanent, but they did happen
The excuse they have given us is that the code for which bridges are allowed is in each individual ship, rather than in one central file. So that they would have to go and edit every ship in the game, and they can't afford it. It seems hard to imagine that any codemonkey worth his salt would set it up that way, but...
It is the way the database is set up, they probably designed it with the idea that every ship would have its own bridge and maybe an alternate or two at most back before it was decided that doing custom bridges was too much bother. It does not help that they got rid of most of their database people either, so they have fewer hands typing entries into it.
At the very least they should have a decent default instead of that hideous concrete parking garage bridge though.
IIRC there was some implication that the last bridge Donnie made (shown on the fed interior kit streams, during the Yorktown bridge build IIRC) would be the new default bridge you get (though origin wouldn't be removed) and it's not as grey or big as Origin.
Just make the tailor unrestricted so everyone can make whatever insane creations they want.
YES! THANK YOU! (insert the red 100 emoji here)
It's a shame the 100 emoji doesn't exist in this forum...