tooth fairy looking for its homebase... game should just jump the shark already and get ships that can transform into robots... it'll generate sales. do a crossover with star wars... disney would love to get some buz and generate some interest after they tanked the ip... lock box star wars ships would sell too.
(especially The Undiscovered Country which is the movie they based the DSC aesthetics on (with the addition of JJwindows from Kelvin)).
I watched the Undiscovered Country recently and I have to ask this simple question:
HOW?
How does DSC even share aesthetics with TUC?
The costume designer is one of the few who liked any of the series at all (she said she is a fan of TNG).
Not the S1 Klingon and S1, S3 normal uniform designer, I hope, because otherwise, I won't believe her.
I know it doesn't look too much like it (except in the art deco-ness, bent corridor walls, and whatnot), but according to interviews TUC actually is what they started with before "updating it for modern audiences" whatever that is supposed to mean. They considered TOS totally unsalvageable garbage (calling it things like "the cardboard Enterprise") and ignored it completely, going to the "only Star Trek that was worth anything" as the set designer called it, which was The Undiscovered Country (which by the way is the movie Roddenberry called the worst affront to Star Trek).
As for the costumer, she probably actually is a TNG fan. She showed some of the early rejected designs, and they were a little more TOS-like with some TNG elements (like the thick spandex-like material), but they were rejected (not surprising considering the above), along with a number of other designs until finally the bedazzled blue fashion disasters were approved.
(especially The Undiscovered Country which is the movie they based the DSC aesthetics on (with the addition of JJwindows from Kelvin)).
I watched the Undiscovered Country recently and I have to ask this simple question:
HOW?
How does DSC even share aesthetics with TUC?
The costume designer is one of the few who liked any of the series at all (she said she is a fan of TNG).
Not the S1 Klingon and S1, S3 normal uniform designer, I hope, because otherwise, I won't believe her.
I know it doesn't look too much like it (except in the art deco-ness and whatnot), but according to interviews TUC actually is what they started with before "updating it for modern audiences" whatever that is supposed to mean. They considered TOS totally unsalvageable garbage (calling it things like "the cardboard Enterprise") and ignored it completely, going to the "only Star Trek that was worth anything" as the set designer called it, which was The Undiscovered Country (which by the way is the movie Roddenberry called the worst affront to Star Trek).
As for the costumer, she probably actually is a TNG fan. She showed some of the early rejected designs, and they were a little more TOS-like with some TNG elements (like the thick spandex-like material), but they were rejected (not surprising considering the above), along with a number of other designs until finally the bedazzled blue fashion disasters were approved.
I couldn't care less what Roddenberry thought (I've said it before, and will say it again, Star Trek succeeded in spite of him), but otherwise I am honestly disgusted by their attitude. (Aside, I thought Roddenberry hated The Final Frontier the most.)
(especially The Undiscovered Country which is the movie they based the DSC aesthetics on (with the addition of JJwindows from Kelvin)).
I watched the Undiscovered Country recently and I have to ask this simple question:
HOW?
How does DSC even share aesthetics with TUC?
The costume designer is one of the few who liked any of the series at all (she said she is a fan of TNG).
Not the S1 Klingon and S1, S3 normal uniform designer, I hope, because otherwise, I won't believe her.
I know it doesn't look too much like it (except in the art deco-ness and whatnot), but according to interviews TUC actually is what they started with before "updating it for modern audiences" whatever that is supposed to mean. They considered TOS totally unsalvageable garbage (calling it things like "the cardboard Enterprise") and ignored it completely, going to the "only Star Trek that was worth anything" as the set designer called it, which was The Undiscovered Country (which by the way is the movie Roddenberry called the worst affront to Star Trek).
As for the costumer, she probably actually is a TNG fan. She showed some of the early rejected designs, and they were a little more TOS-like with some TNG elements (like the thick spandex-like material), but they were rejected (not surprising considering the above), along with a number of other designs until finally the bedazzled blue fashion disasters were approved.
I couldn't care less what Roddenberry thought (I've said it before, and will say it again, Star Trek succeeded in spite of him), but otherwise I am honestly disgusted by their attitude. (Aside, I thought Roddenberry hated The Final Frontier the most.)
No, it was The Undiscovered Country because of things that he felt corrupted the central ideals of Star Trek, though the worst was that the traitor was originally supposed to be Saavik, which would have been the highly nasty "bad blood" stereotype since she is half Romulan. Before TUC though he probably did dislike The Final Frontier the most, just like a lot of other people, but TUC definitely got the most ire and disgust from him.
tooth fairy looking for its homebase... game should just jump the shark already and get ships that can transform into robots... it'll generate sales. do a crossover with star wars... disney would love to get some buz and generate some interest after they tanked the ip... lock box star wars ships would sell too.
not gonna lie I would be one idiots paying way to much if I could get a star destroyer with hangers full of wing gundams. it would break all sorts of canon and copyright but at least it would be fun.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
tooth fairy looking for its homebase... game should just jump the shark already and get ships that can transform into robots... it'll generate sales. do a crossover with star wars... disney would love to get some buz and generate some interest after they tanked the ip... lock box star wars ships would sell too.
It would be interesting to see a Trek species base their entire culture around anime, colour coordinated EV suits with captains wearing Red, yelling out attacks, giant mechas, shooting energy out their hands, spiky hair, harems, catgirls and androgynous crossdressers.
I think I can safely say I've seen it all now lol! Flying PS5 Console in space! LOL!!! Haaaaaaaahaha!
"My life spans millennia. Legions have risen to test me… My ascendance is inevitable. A day, a year, a millennium—it matters not. I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars. Your striving is insignificant. Let your death be the same."
DSC Season 3 takes place in the 32st century (Burnham and the ship arrived separately in 3188). However, Daniels and company hail from the 29th century, not the 31st.
As for the TOS designs being "unrealistic", the US Navy has begun basing bridge designs on the bridge from NCC-1701, except with the captain's position being raised above the other stations to make communications between the captain and his officers easier. The older design made it harder for some of the positions to communicate with the captain in high-noise environments. (The first ship constructed this way, USS Zumwalt DDG-1000, is considered a failure only because its cutting-edge guns use ammo that's too expensive to fire.)
There's precisely one 32C design I've seen more than once in the field - the Kirk-class, which flanked USS Gbur (a Mirror Gagarin) on three sides the last time I was at ESD.
BTW would this mean we'll be getting Borg cubes later down the line, the main issue with Borg ships was that you couldn't the front from the back, this new ship seem to suffer from the same issue and I would like to hear Kael's opinion on this.
I think the most popular 31st/32nd century ships are going to be the Kirk Class, the rainforest donut ship and the Crossfield retro fit, which isn't a lot, personally I would like a 32nd century Vulcan/Ni'Var ship myself, it'll be a hybrid between Vulcan Technology and Romulan Technology.
I don't get the big issue.. yeah, the ship sucks.. it's awful looking.. but so is the Enterprise J and people fly that.
If you don't like it, no worries.. that's less gambling for you. People act like the existence of this ship somehow removes their enjoyment of the ships they already have and like. There will likely be a couple people that like this ship (literally 2 or 3) that might enjoy it and the rest of us will ignore it and go on with our lives.
Most of the people in this thread just want to use the introduction of a terrible ship to rant about how Discovery hurts their special little feelings. Guess what? No one cares if you like Discovery or not and it's not the subject of the thread. Those of us that like it will continue to enjoy it, and those that don't will continue to not watch it but do so as loudly as possible because it somehow makes them feel better.
I hope Cryptic isn't banking on big sales from this ship because.. wow. I mean.. wow.
I don't get the big issue.. yeah, the ship sucks.. it's awful looking.. but so is the Enterprise J and people fly that.
If you don't like it, no worries.. that's less gambling for you. People act like the existence of this ship somehow removes their enjoyment of the ships they already have and like. There will likely be a couple people that like this ship (literally 2 or 3) that might enjoy it and the rest of us will ignore it and go on with our lives.
Most of the people in this thread just want to use the introduction of a terrible ship to rant about how Discovery hurts their special little feelings. Guess what? No one cares if you like Discovery or not and it's not the subject of the thread. Those of us that like it will continue to enjoy it, and those that don't will continue to not watch it but do so as loudly as possible because it somehow makes them feel better.
I hope Cryptic isn't banking on big sales from this ship because.. wow. I mean.. wow.
My issue is...I'd like the effort that was put into the U.S.S. Gum Disease there to have been put into something else.
DSC Season 3 takes place in the 32st century (Burnham and the ship arrived separately in 3188). However, Daniels and company hail from the 29th century, not the 31st.
As for the TOS designs being "unrealistic", the US Navy has begun basing bridge designs on the bridge from NCC-1701, except with the captain's position being raised above the other stations to make communications between the captain and his officers easier. The older design made it harder for some of the positions to communicate with the captain in high-noise environments. (The first ship constructed this way, USS Zumwalt DDG-1000, is considered a failure only because its cutting-edge guns use ammo that's too expensive to fire.)
There's precisely one 32C design I've seen more than once in the field - the Kirk-class, which flanked USS Gbur (a Mirror Gagarin) on three sides the last time I was at ESD.
Daniels himself was from the 29th century, but the database he left on the NX-01 didn't end there so apparently the timecops operated as far as the 32nd century at the very least according to the label on the tri-ring Vulcan ship entry which said:
"RetroFitted Dorsal Carrier, Design XRT-55D, Commission Date 3125"
which makes the DSC dialog that all time travel was outlawed and the technology destroyed rather iffy at best unless DSC ended up on a different time branch from ENT or all of that and the burn and whatnot all happened in 63 years or less (which is just too convenient to be good writing).
My issue is...I'd like the effort that was put into the U.S.S. Gum Disease there to have been put into something else.
I can agree with that, I would have much rather seen them put the work into something better. I have to imagine that pretty much anything would have been better, not like this promo is going to be a money maker. A C-Store T6 Patrol Escort would have been a much better use of the time and that's just one of a million examples.
We can agree that this release is a complete waste of developer time and resources. Nothing I can say to refute that.
(especially The Undiscovered Country which is the movie they based the DSC aesthetics on (with the addition of JJwindows from Kelvin)).
I watched the Undiscovered Country recently and I have to ask this simple question:
HOW?
How does DSC even share aesthetics with TUC?
The costume designer is one of the few who liked any of the series at all (she said she is a fan of TNG).
Not the S1 Klingon and S1, S3 normal uniform designer, I hope, because otherwise, I won't believe her.
I know it doesn't look too much like it (except in the art deco-ness, bent corridor walls, and whatnot), but according to interviews TUC actually is what they started with before "updating it for modern audiences" whatever that is supposed to mean. They considered TOS totally unsalvageable garbage (calling it things like "the cardboard Enterprise") and ignored it completely, going to the "only Star Trek that was worth anything" as the set designer called it, which was The Undiscovered Country (which by the way is the movie Roddenberry called the worst affront to Star Trek).
I always suspected that the people working on Discovery didn't actually like Star Trek, but it's still jarring that they pretty much admitted it. In the interest of not derailing the thread, I'll limit myself to saying that their attitude toward TOS should've instantly disqualified them from working on DSC. Even if it isn't their personal favorite, they should at least have some respect and appreciation for TOS and what it did to establish an enduring franchise and dedicated fanbase.
As for the UEDF ship, well every ship has it's fans, but I'm not one of them. It's overly generic like most of the S3 DSC ships, with none of the well established design language of the franchise to indicate that it's from Star Trek. I doubt we'll be seeing many of them flying around. The only 32nd century ships I see somewhat often are the Kirk and the Janeway, which suggests to me that players want ships that actually look like they're from Star Trek.
I know it's not information we'll ever get, but I would be very interested to know how sales for these S3 lockbox ships have been doing compared to past ships. I suppose that's why this one is in an infinity box. Rather muddies the sales data if it's only available alongside much more desirable ships instead of its own box.
I think I'm going to be sick.
The TRIBBLE production team has no respect.
No respect for lore and canon, no respect for established aesthetics and design philosophies, no respect for story telling, no respect for its characters except the lead, and above all, no respect for the audience.
It is not about respect...it is ORDERS, they have to do it.
It is also from ignorance (which is a ridiculous situation for a production team), if you watch their behind the scenes features it turns out that almost none of them are fans of any Trek except for the movies (especially The Undiscovered Country which is the movie they based the DSC aesthetics on (with the addition of JJwindows from Kelvin)). The costume designer is one of the few who liked any of the series at all (she said she is a fan of TNG).
None of them said they liked TOS even though they were setting DSC in the Cage/TOS timeframe, and they all either never saw TOS or had nothing but contempt for it. Kurtzman has said a number of times that he does not understand the Traditional Trek, that it is too cerebral for him, which makes him a very odd choice as the showrunner.
Of course, that kind of situation is not unexpected considering how Moonves hates science-fiction in general and Star Trek especially, TOS most of all. Even after he was ousted the tone and form of DSC was already set, it would have taken a mass replacement of people in the upper echelons of the production team to change that in any way that mattered instead of just the few people they replaced.
At this point it would take a truly spectacular shark jump, probably a temporal event that resets DSC almost entirely to do anything that would heal the breach in the fanbase and realize the potential the show had in the very early hype when people were excited that Trek would be back.
It is sad to hear that....
As for AK, his state of mind, is akin more to Star Wars ethic, instead of Star Trek. He is doing it for the money, and nothing more.
And for fixing it, here's a straight and true to the point. Discovery has given the means to do it, won't name the season or episode, it will take strong creativity writing to get it done, and it is very doable. And the event that occurred was by happanstance, not on purpose. And no, I am not pulling your leg.
It's not for me, but I'm happy for any Discovery fans willing to support the game by opening stacks of gamble boxes to get it.
Unless you buy every ship, most ships won't be for you they're for someone else and we have to accept that. I'm happy for Nova fans, but that's not a ship for me either. Maybe they'll do another ship I want next, or eventually.
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Well it generates a giant ball around the ship.. so...
I know it doesn't look too much like it (except in the art deco-ness, bent corridor walls, and whatnot), but according to interviews TUC actually is what they started with before "updating it for modern audiences" whatever that is supposed to mean. They considered TOS totally unsalvageable garbage (calling it things like "the cardboard Enterprise") and ignored it completely, going to the "only Star Trek that was worth anything" as the set designer called it, which was The Undiscovered Country (which by the way is the movie Roddenberry called the worst affront to Star Trek).
As for the costumer, she probably actually is a TNG fan. She showed some of the early rejected designs, and they were a little more TOS-like with some TNG elements (like the thick spandex-like material), but they were rejected (not surprising considering the above), along with a number of other designs until finally the bedazzled blue fashion disasters were approved.
I couldn't care less what Roddenberry thought (I've said it before, and will say it again, Star Trek succeeded in spite of him), but otherwise I am honestly disgusted by their attitude. (Aside, I thought Roddenberry hated The Final Frontier the most.)
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No, it was The Undiscovered Country because of things that he felt corrupted the central ideals of Star Trek, though the worst was that the traitor was originally supposed to be Saavik, which would have been the highly nasty "bad blood" stereotype since she is half Romulan. Before TUC though he probably did dislike The Final Frontier the most, just like a lot of other people, but TUC definitely got the most ire and disgust from him.
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not gonna lie I would be one idiots paying way to much if I could get a star destroyer with hangers full of wing gundams. it would break all sorts of canon and copyright but at least it would be fun.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
It would be interesting to see a Trek species base their entire culture around anime, colour coordinated EV suits with captains wearing Red, yelling out attacks, giant mechas, shooting energy out their hands, spiky hair, harems, catgirls and androgynous crossdressers.
As for the TOS designs being "unrealistic", the US Navy has begun basing bridge designs on the bridge from NCC-1701, except with the captain's position being raised above the other stations to make communications between the captain and his officers easier. The older design made it harder for some of the positions to communicate with the captain in high-noise environments. (The first ship constructed this way, USS Zumwalt DDG-1000, is considered a failure only because its cutting-edge guns use ammo that's too expensive to fire.)
There's precisely one 32C design I've seen more than once in the field - the Kirk-class, which flanked USS Gbur (a Mirror Gagarin) on three sides the last time I was at ESD.
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If you don't like it, no worries.. that's less gambling for you. People act like the existence of this ship somehow removes their enjoyment of the ships they already have and like. There will likely be a couple people that like this ship (literally 2 or 3) that might enjoy it and the rest of us will ignore it and go on with our lives.
Most of the people in this thread just want to use the introduction of a terrible ship to rant about how Discovery hurts their special little feelings. Guess what? No one cares if you like Discovery or not and it's not the subject of the thread. Those of us that like it will continue to enjoy it, and those that don't will continue to not watch it but do so as loudly as possible because it somehow makes them feel better.
I hope Cryptic isn't banking on big sales from this ship because.. wow. I mean.. wow.
At least the Spaghetti-Junction Connie looked like it halfway belonged in Star Trek.
My issue is...I'd like the effort that was put into the U.S.S. Gum Disease there to have been put into something else.
Daniels himself was from the 29th century, but the database he left on the NX-01 didn't end there so apparently the timecops operated as far as the 32nd century at the very least according to the label on the tri-ring Vulcan ship entry which said:
which makes the DSC dialog that all time travel was outlawed and the technology destroyed rather iffy at best unless DSC ended up on a different time branch from ENT or all of that and the burn and whatnot all happened in 63 years or less (which is just too convenient to be good writing).
I can agree with that, I would have much rather seen them put the work into something better. I have to imagine that pretty much anything would have been better, not like this promo is going to be a money maker. A C-Store T6 Patrol Escort would have been a much better use of the time and that's just one of a million examples.
We can agree that this release is a complete waste of developer time and resources. Nothing I can say to refute that.
As for the UEDF ship, well every ship has it's fans, but I'm not one of them. It's overly generic like most of the S3 DSC ships, with none of the well established design language of the franchise to indicate that it's from Star Trek. I doubt we'll be seeing many of them flying around. The only 32nd century ships I see somewhat often are the Kirk and the Janeway, which suggests to me that players want ships that actually look like they're from Star Trek.
I know it's not information we'll ever get, but I would be very interested to know how sales for these S3 lockbox ships have been doing compared to past ships. I suppose that's why this one is in an infinity box. Rather muddies the sales data if it's only available alongside much more desirable ships instead of its own box.
It is sad to hear that....
As for AK, his state of mind, is akin more to Star Wars ethic, instead of Star Trek. He is doing it for the money, and nothing more.
And for fixing it, here's a straight and true to the point. Discovery has given the means to do it, won't name the season or episode, it will take strong creativity writing to get it done, and it is very doable. And the event that occurred was by happanstance, not on purpose. And no, I am not pulling your leg.
Ahem!!!!
It's not for me, but I'm happy for any Discovery fans willing to support the game by opening stacks of gamble boxes to get it.
Unless you buy every ship, most ships won't be for you they're for someone else and we have to accept that. I'm happy for Nova fans, but that's not a ship for me either. Maybe they'll do another ship I want next, or eventually.
There is one thing that Discovery lovers and Discovery haters can agree on..
This ship is awful, no one likes it.