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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,016 Arc User
    Yeah I've already decided to use the money I had set aside to buy the recon destroyer bundle instead, just waiting to see if they do a zen charge bonus with the new bundle.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,716 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2021
    Also if you understood this isn't the Legendary KLINGON Bundle; it's the Legendary Anniversary Bundle. As a result it offer's a even balance and is geared for NEW &/or Returning Players to help them get caught up. That is also why it includes two T6 100% off coupon's for those who need to add a few addition Starship Traits, in addition to all those from all the Starships, + their Account-Wide bonus Trait. That is as best I understand it why it includes 11 ultimate upgrades, which are never sold, and only rarely packed in with other deals often just a single one.

    Kael did state a week or so ago that we will still see a Legendary Klingon Bundle but it would be more in line (scale) with the Legendary Romulan or Discovery packs.

    My own thoughts: on a later Legendary Klingon Bundle, they may offer 1 more Klingon Ship, or perhaps even 2, with no other add-ons. Given the Legendary Romulan and Discovery Bundles, + the Legendary Anniversary had a lot of add-ons to choose from! It also be nice to see a 2 ship Legendary Bundle tried...

    All we can do is wait and see, yet I suspect we won't see the Legendary Klingon Bundle, till closer toward the end of the Year of the Klingon.

    Still the Anniversary Bundle offers a lot as I said above. The new and exclusive Ship skins is the big appeal for many. I suspect it will likely to be highly sought out by several players, especially with the 500 Lobi now given, and I've heard there planning a deeper Lobi sale when you can claim it.
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Yeah I've already decided to use the money I had set aside to buy the recon destroyer bundle instead, just waiting to see if they do a zen charge bonus with the new bundle.

    I'm thinking that's probable as well. Cryptic seems to really be pushing this particular bundle but I'd argue not with quality-wise.

    So with this last "legendary" Ambassador when compared to Fleet Yamaguchi:

    lose a combined hull/shield of .10 (Yamaguchi) for a better .5 turn-rate ("legendary" Ambassador)

    lose +5 pwr to engines straight-out with this "legendary" Ambassador

    trade Ensign Tac seat (Yamaguchi) for a Ensign Uni seat ("legendary" Ambassador)

    gain a good looking Horatio visual ("legendary" Ambassador)

    gain the starship trait Lost In Time ("legendary" Ambassador)

    console placement is the same for both

    inertia & impulse ratings are the same

    both have (4) Cruiser Commands & both have Molecular Reconstruction

    "legendary" Ambassador has the Temporal Trajectory Shifter console

    To me in this bundle there's a couple of prime examples of these ships being "legendary" by title only but then again Cryptic knows that's enough to sell to a certain amount of players.

    With at least a couple of these ships I think you'd match statically or exceed them if a player bought fleet versions then bought the other optional ships, if not already owned, for the consoles & sometimes there's better console options pending playstyles.

    Remember the primary things these ships have exclusively are the distinct visuals & starship traits then slight, if any, modifications to BOFF seating, console placement, weapon layout & statistical trade-offs.

    The Temer statistically seems more of a Legendary B'rel than this "legendary B'rel"

    I didn't crunch the numbers for these "legendary" Excelsior nor Vor'cha like I did this Ambassador, but I wonder if cheaper it would be just to but fleet ship versions & various ships for the consoles if not already owned or wanted?

    From B'rel to Ambassador this bundle began with a whimper & ended with a whimper.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,573 Arc User
    foppotee#4552 wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Yeah I've already decided to use the money I had set aside to buy the recon destroyer bundle instead, just waiting to see if they do a zen charge bonus with the new bundle.

    I'm thinking that's probable as well. Cryptic seems to really be pushing this particular bundle but I'd argue not with quality-wise.

    So with this last "legendary" Ambassador when compared to Fleet Yamaguchi:

    lose a combined hull/shield of .10 (Yamaguchi) for a better .5 turn-rate ("legendary" Ambassador)

    lose +5 pwr to engines straight-out with this "legendary" Ambassador

    trade Ensign Tac seat (Yamaguchi) for a Ensign Uni seat ("legendary" Ambassador)

    gain a good looking Horatio visual ("legendary" Ambassador)

    gain the starship trait Lost In Time ("legendary" Ambassador)

    console placement is the same for both

    inertia & impulse ratings are the same

    both have (4) Cruiser Commands & both have Molecular Reconstruction

    "legendary" Ambassador has the Temporal Trajectory Shifter console

    To me in this bundle there's a couple of prime examples of these ships being "legendary" by title only but then again Cryptic knows that's enough to sell to a certain amount of players.

    With at least a couple of these ships I think you'd match statically or exceed them if a player bought fleet versions then bought the other optional ships, if not already owned, for the consoles & sometimes there's better console options pending playstyles.

    Remember the primary things these ships have exclusively are the distinct visuals & starship traits then slight, if any, modifications to BOFF seating, console placement, weapon layout & statistical trade-offs.

    The Temer statistically seems more of a Legendary B'rel than this "legendary B'rel"

    I didn't crunch the numbers for these "legendary" Excelsior nor Vor'cha like I did this Ambassador, but I wonder if cheaper it would be just to but fleet ship versions & various ships for the consoles if not already owned or wanted?

    From B'rel to Ambassador this bundle began with a whimper & ended with a whimper.

    I whole-heartedly agree. The ONLY thing of interest and worth to me is the BoP, and now maybe the Ambassador (The skin is one of the best designs ever! No sign of Manga nacelles :lol:). Still won't persuade me to buy the pack though. I can live without them (looks at my 300+ admiralty roster).

    As for the rest of the pack.....I don't place any value on the keys or Promo packs, the Ult Upgrades will just be stored, and I've already more than enough TX Upgrades for what I need. Worf obviously has value, but that is all. I'll wait for a 75% off sale. :lol:
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,790 Arc User
    I'm boycotting it too.

    I don't want more Fedships.

    I don't want to pay for all the other junk.

    I want more KDF ships.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,016 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    The skin is one of the best designs ever! No sign of Manga nacelles :lol:

    The thing that ruins it for me is the deflector, would have looked amazing if they gave it a nice bowl shaped deflector, but instead they went with ... whatever the hell that thing is.
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  • fallenkezef#4581 fallenkezef
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    Fed ships are no use to me, wallet is closed.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    It's just so bad.
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  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    I am in agreement. I have no interest in this bundle at all.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    evilmark444 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    The skin is one of the best designs ever! No sign of Manga nacelles :lol:

    The thing that ruins it for me is the deflector, would have looked amazing if they gave it a nice bowl shaped deflector, but instead they went with ... whatever the hell that thing is.

    The deflector is reminding me a bit of the Chimera/Manticore design.
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  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,267 Arc User
    strathkin wrote: »
    Also if you understood this isn't the Legendary KLINGON Bundle; it's the Legendary Anniversary Bundle. As a result it offer's a even balance and is geared for NEW &/or Returning Players to help them get caught up.

    ...

    Kael did state a week or so ago that we will still see a Legendary Klingon Bundle but it would be more in line (scale) with the Legendary Romulan or Discovery packs.
    If this is the case then it seems I simply got my bundles mixed up - and therefore my expectations.

    I'll just wait for the Legendary Klingon bundle. Perhaps it'll be more appropriate for my 2255 KDF recruit. I'm really only interested in KDF ships at the moment.

    It may have cleared up a lot of confusion if they had of just stated that there's a Legendary KDF bundle coming also as it is the Year of Klingon after all.
  • faelon#8433 faelon
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    You don't actually have to declare a boycot on products that nobody is willing to fork over money for. Just don't buy them. This isn't a political statement. It's simply lousy marketing choices and decisions. Don't beat up the devs or the CM's. Just politely point out that the Bundle does not offer value to you at the price, and don't buy it. This shouldn't be hard. There's nothing in it that anybody needs. It's not like the 10th bundle of Hero ships. This is a bundle of "Oh yeah, I remember them!". I might suggest if you were planning and budgeting for this bundle, and have not already acquired it, consider taking a portion of what you budgeted and applying it towards the Mirror Bundle, just to hammer home what we consider a "Good Value" offering to be.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    I'm not "boycotting" it, I just don't want it. TBH, none of the ships are 'must haves' for me. And for what it's worth, I care more about visuals than stats.

    That said, if they had put the D7 in this pack I would be buying it. That single ship would have made the difference. But I guess I should be grateful they didn't, because now they will (probably) be putting it in a solo pack which won't cost as much.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Ha. TRIBBLE isn't under the umbrella of words that show up as TRIBBLE.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,790 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    protoneous wrote: »
    strathkin wrote: »
    Also if you understood this isn't the Legendary KLINGON Bundle; it's the Legendary Anniversary Bundle. As a result it offer's a even balance and is geared for NEW &/or Returning Players to help them get caught up.

    ...

    Kael did state a week or so ago that we will still see a Legendary Klingon Bundle but it would be more in line (scale) with the Legendary Romulan or Discovery packs.
    If this is the case then it seems I simply got my bundles mixed up - and therefore my expectations.

    I'll just wait for the Legendary Klingon bundle. Perhaps it'll be more appropriate for my 2255 KDF recruit. I'm really only interested in KDF ships at the moment.

    It may have cleared up a lot of confusion if they had of just stated that there's a Legendary KDF bundle coming also as it is the Year of Klingon after all.

    Kael allegedly said on Reddit? that there was not going to be a KDF legendary bundle.

    If true, that probably means there will be a $120 list D7 single ship + random junk like the legendary Romulan. Extras like a "jump a new character to level 65" token even though everyone is leveling up a KDF Recruit already. Sigh.
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  • n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    Its a big ole negatory from me too. Ill spend my money on other things, maybe if theres a zen charge ill buy some things ive wanted.

    But this 4 pack for the same TRIBBLE price as the 8pack last year, is so not worth it. I gotta wonder what the eggheads behind this choice where honestly thinking.
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  • kibi#8855 kibi
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    edited February 2021
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  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,267 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    protoneous wrote: »
    strathkin wrote: »
    Also if you understood this isn't the Legendary KLINGON Bundle; it's the Legendary Anniversary Bundle. As a result it offer's a even balance and is geared for NEW &/or Returning Players to help them get caught up.

    ...

    Kael did state a week or so ago that we will still see a Legendary Klingon Bundle but it would be more in line (scale) with the Legendary Romulan or Discovery packs.
    If this is the case then it seems I simply got my bundles mixed up - and therefore my expectations.

    I'll just wait for the Legendary Klingon bundle. Perhaps it'll be more appropriate for my 2255 KDF recruit. I'm really only interested in KDF ships at the moment.

    It may have cleared up a lot of confusion if they had of just stated that there's a Legendary KDF bundle coming also as it is the Year of Klingon after all.

    Kael allegedly said on Reddit? that there was not going to be a KDF legendary bundle.

    If true, that probably means there will be a $120 list D7 single ship + random junk like the legendary Romulan. Extras like a "jump a new character to level 65" token even though everyone is leveling up a KDF Recruit already. Sigh.
    It could end up with a sigh but hopefully not.

    I have a Klingon 2255 recruit. Since it seems this toon is going to be a keeper I'd certainly consider a bundle offering items focused on him. The recruit is not my only kdf toon and they're overdue for a treat as well. It's YoK.

    I'm not mad, but am experiencing bundle induced marketing dysphoria syndrome.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,355 Arc User
    If they reduce the price or offer a cheaper version with the ships, I might actually pick up the pack. But in its current state it's a hard pass from me. Too expensive for too little.
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  • kibi#8855 kibi
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    westx211 wrote: »
    If they reduce the price or offer a cheaper version with the ships, I might actually pick up the pack. But in its current state it's a hard pass from me. Too expensive for too little.

    the fact that is costs over £200 for recycled items on the zen store and nothing new or useful really takes the TRIBBLE... give me a token for a section 31 drone ship that you can't find on the exchange anywhere
  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,267 Arc User
    n0vastarone wrote: »
    Its a big ole negatory from me too. Ill spend my money on other things, maybe if theres a zen charge ill buy some things ive wanted.

    But this 4 pack for the same TRIBBLE price as the 8pack last year, is so not worth it. I gotta wonder what the eggheads behind this choice where honestly thinking.
    Indeed. What were they thinking? I suspect they didn't want to make it too good due to the nature of the next event. But this is only a guess.
  • kibi#8855 kibi
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    protoneous wrote: »
    n0vastarone wrote: »
    Its a big ole negatory from me too. Ill spend my money on other things, maybe if theres a zen charge ill buy some things ive wanted.

    But this 4 pack for the same TRIBBLE price as the 8pack last year, is so not worth it. I gotta wonder what the eggheads behind this choice where honestly thinking.
    Indeed. What were they thinking? I suspect they didn't want to make it too good due to the nature of the next event. But this is only a guess.

    I'm assuming the eggheads thought "everyones in lockdown seeing as we ate bats, lets rip them off because they're desperate for something to play, £200 on 4 really TRIBBLE ships and a load of recycled zen store content after giving the world covid is pretty poor business.

    if i was a chinese company right now I wouldn't be trying to rip people off that have lost their jobs
  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,267 Arc User
    kibi#8855 wrote: »
    protoneous wrote: »
    n0vastarone wrote: »
    Its a big ole negatory from me too. Ill spend my money on other things, maybe if theres a zen charge ill buy some things ive wanted.

    But this 4 pack for the same TRIBBLE price as the 8pack last year, is so not worth it. I gotta wonder what the eggheads behind this choice where honestly thinking.
    Indeed. What were they thinking? I suspect they didn't want to make it too good due to the nature of the next event. But this is only a guess.

    I'm assuming the eggheads thought ...
    if i was a ... company right now I wouldn't be trying to ... that have lost their jobs
    Venting a little can be good. Just have to watch the manner in which it's done or we could lose a thread that could provide answers to certain interesting questions.
  • kibi#8855 kibi
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    edited February 2021
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,016 Arc User
    protoneous wrote: »
    Venting a little can be good.

    Hmm ... venting you say?

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  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,267 Arc User
    Sigh.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    I am not getting the bundle either, but then again I cannot afford any of those bundles so my reason for not buying it has nothing to do with the contents.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    Spread the word? This half-broken game does this on its own well enough XD even without these bloatware bundles.

    I personally wouldn't care if they added a nice D7 in there, the "deal" is already broken. Excelsior isn't a ship I ever cared about, already got a regular Vorral, B'Rel, and Narendra as it looks nice, nevermind the useless other stuff.

    Same with the legendary fed bundle, I never cared for Connies, and already own regular variants of most of the rest, though it's a good deal for those that don't (like new players) and if they like Connies.
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