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aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
It's too hard on the eyes. I only have a 27 inch monitor and it's impossible to play. It needs something like a high contrast mode with the moving parts and boundaries noted. And it needs the right side of the puzzle to keep track of the mouse movements. That or a way for the game to be smaller so mouse movements work better and it can keep up. Do they have a lower res version?

I'm getting at max 1200 and sometimes below 900 with the mouse. My brain cannot keep track of the info to safe my life. Everything about the design makes it hard from a visual standpoint. That is not right to do to people as you can expect not everyone has the same eyesight or monitors etc. And my hardware is as old as this game. It's not like it from outside of the era.
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  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    I am not saying you aren't experiencing problems with the mini-game.

    To let you know my experience, though:
    • I have a 20-in monitor
    • My computer is 10 years old
    • I have horrible eyesight (and am colorblind, though I'm not sure how much that matters here)
    • I use a mouse to control the bracket in the game
    I have no problem at all with moving the bracket. It is responsive enough to let me move from row to row fast enough to grab one molecule on the bottom row and then the next on the top. There are times when the mini-game itself seems to hitch or skip, but that may be the usual hiccups STO can experience from time to time. I don't think I've gotten under 2300 and usually I can get the 2700.

    Again, not everyone is going to have the same experience. Maybe there are other factors affecting the performance of the mini-game for you, maybe I am just particularly good at keeping track of what is coming down all the rows. Just letting you know the game does track mouse movement very well for me.
  • wideningxgyrewideningxgyre Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    Yeah, I don't think it's the monitor that is the issue - I do as well on a 23" monitor and my 15" laptop screen.

    For me, lag is the single biggest issue that prevents me from getting a perfect score (that and periodic wandering attention).

    You may find that it runs more smoothly in maps/instances with fewer people in them. Also, I know this is simply some sort of observation bias, but I could swear that it's easier in some maps than others.
  • aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    Is there a bonus beyond one green and 3 r/b/y? I haven't gotten 2700, but I saw an old video saying it gives a shard instead of a sliver when winning past 2300 point. I got past 2300 points but did not get a sliver over a shard. Or is this only from the periodic bonus. I'm trying to figure out which score I need. Is there a special higher bonus for 2700 now?

    My eyesight problems isn't color blind as much as it's general bad vision and old glasses. It's very hard to concentrate on items and I think that makes it worse. If I move the monitor too close it's too far apart to see quickly enough. If too far away It's too blurry. I was hoping something like a contrast or something might make it easier to see faster so my brain can concentrate on it without going spastic.

    I keep forgetting there is an audio clue to for timing. I also keep turning down the volume and miss the tick sound.
  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.

    If you're getting 90% of them then your score should be much higher. A perfect score is 2700, that's if you get every single particle. Sounds like you have a lag issue or something because it's actually pretty easy if the connection is smooth.

    90% of peoples issues with the mini game is related to server lag.. I am lucky and get a nice smooth connection so the game is a breeze to get 2k+ every time. It's not that I'm just 'so good' I just have a better connection which is really what it comes down to. Monitor size has nothing to do with it, I can do it on my home PC with a 32" screen or on my 17" Laptop. If the particles are jumping around too much on your screen you just don't have much of a chance.

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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,518 Arc User
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.

    I have a 27" 4K monitor. I use my mouse for the mini game and 99% of the time score between 2500-2700.
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  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.

    The big "jump" at the rank up might be affected by some lag due to a crowded zone, but the bigger part of that is the game itself. When those jumps happen it seems to be a built-in aspect of the game to catch up to where it would be had you collected all the particles so far. The more you miss before the game speeds up, the bigger the "jump".

    Why it was designed this way, I'm not sure. The whole thing is timed to end at a specific point, though, so it is probably related to that and having a set # of particles that have to go by.
  • aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.

    I have a 27" 4K monitor. I use my mouse for the mini game and 99% of the time score between 2500-2700.

    What is the reward at 2700?
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    aftulus wrote: »
    foxman00 wrote: »
    2300? 2700? Are we even playing the same minigame?

    I can hit 90%+ of the particle fragments and still only get 1500 tops. How the hell are you guys scoring so high?

    It does 'jump' pretty bad every time you rank up from collecting enough fragments. That jump seems to get worse with however many people are in the same zone, so I'm sure it's a server desync issue. I also haven't noticed any difference in reward from getting a 900 score or a 1500+ score.

    I have a 27" 4K monitor. I use my mouse for the mini game and 99% of the time score between 2500-2700.

    What is the reward at 2700?

    There is no guarantee for 2700 score (I should say there is no guaranteed bonus. You get 3 color traces and 1 sliver guaranteed). Most often it is 3 color trace and 1 sliver. I find the best prize at 2400-2600 - much more chance of shard and fragment as bonus.


    The jump is intentional. It's an additional penalty for missing particles.

    You must play with mouse, in space, in empty instance.
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  • aftulusaftulus Member Posts: 668 Arc User
    I think the other part of the problem is the interface. The space between rows doesn't seem to respond to the mouse. So, if you accidentally land in it instead of the row you will land short. It's a cheap mechanic if it's intentional. If not it would be nice if the rows were closer together.
  • eladonwarps#6040 eladonwarps Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Yeah, latency is a killer here. I had an older barely capable laptop last year and rarely got above 1000, and this year even a cheap refurbished one but newer processor helped a lot to reduce choppiness. Then the usual culprits, wired LAN and wired mouse, wireless is just enough delay to throw the eyes off. In my experience.

    Usually average 2400, more if really trying.
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  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    I managed to get my scores up to 2300-2500 tops today, using the mouse instead of keyboard, but it hurts my wrist a lot more to do so. Age and carpal tunnel is a pita.

    IMO the dilithium mining and particle trace harvesting minigames are a LOT better, and much easier on my wrist. I hate using the mouse for this thing which is why I was using the keyboard for it instead, but keyboard apparently isnt fast enough to get the score up to a decent level.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    10-year-old 24" monitor, wear glasses, plain old regular logitech $8 mouse (no super-dpi gaming thing).

    2400-2700 is my usual score. (at a high score, you get one green & 3 regular; with a low chance of getting a rare or epic)



    If you're getting a "big jump" when it completes a stage, that's because you missed particles. The more particles you miss, the bigger the jump... which means you miss a bunch of particles in the next stage, and will likely have another big jump. Vicious circle, there.
    (it's got to be some sort of bug, it doesn't make sense for the game to do that intentionally.)
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  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    ha. yall must be gunslingers of the west...i cant get even close to those scores using mouse or KB. im just not synced like i used to be when i was younger. :)

    My "trick" is I don't watch where I have the mouse at all. 90% of my attention is on the molecules and what order they are in. I basically just watch the bracket in my peripheral vision and use that to know when to stop moving the mouse for an instant. As soon as I hear the sound (or sounds if more than one molecule in a row) I am already moving to the next.

    Took practice, but in general I am not all that quick or skilled a gamer, so I'm just lucky I have a decent connection most of the time.
  • eladonwarps#6040 eladonwarps Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    > @telbasta7386 said:
    > I managed to get my scores up to 2300-2500 tops today, using the mouse instead of keyboard, but it hurts my wrist a lot more to do so. Age and carpal tunnel is a pita.
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    I hear that, same reason I gave up on conventional mouse. Getting a wired trackball changed my life. I got an Elecom with a DPI toggle. I set to high for the Omega game, so that very small thumb motions do the work for me.

    A lifesaver as I get older.

    If anything, I wish I could use a similar mouse motion for Mining, Waveform, and Radiation minigames too.
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  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    It'd be a hell of a lot easier on my wrist if the minigame could be rotated 90 degrees. Moving the mouse side to side is much more natural and less straining on the wrist than moving it up and down.
  • p331p331 Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    I keep the heel of my palm set on a surface and only use my fingers to move the mouse up and down. I don't actually move my wrist at all. I found I have better control that way.
  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    p331 wrote: »
    I keep the heel of my palm set on a surface and only use my fingers to move the mouse up and down. I don't actually move my wrist at all. I found I have better control that way.

    I always use a mousepad with a wrist support. For me they work extremely well to reduce strain, especially when gaming.
  • murkalael#7691 murkalael Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    Since I played this mini game 4 years ago, it haven't changed a bit. I'm one of those weirdos that plays with the keyboard. My tv is 40" and I usually get between 1350 and 2100 points. If you get at least 1350 points you're awarded 1 silver and 1 color. At any result above you can crit and also get one shard. Last time I played this mini game you could sell silvers on exchange, but now everything is account bound.
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  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    > @corinthalas said:
    > I hadn't thought about it that way before, but you're right. It would be nice if there was a UI switch for that minigame that let us toggle the primary axis between horizontal and vertical.

    It'd also feel a lot more natural looking like a guitar hero minigame
  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    Yeah, you can't use the keyboard for the omega event and hope to do even remotely well.

    Gotta flick that wrist.

    Never understood how anyone does the Omega event with the mouse.

    Using keyboard I get 2k plus when I actually try, even hit 2700 a few times, years ago.

    With mouse, I'm usually in the 600-800 range.
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  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    iamynaught wrote: »
    Yeah, you can't use the keyboard for the omega event and hope to do even remotely well.

    Gotta flick that wrist.

    Never understood how anyone does the Omega event with the mouse.

    Using keyboard I get 2k plus when I actually try, even hit 2700 a few times, years ago.

    With mouse, I'm usually in the 600-800 range.

    Probably just depends on what you are used to. Since I use keyboard on all the other minigames, I figured this one would be better with keyboard as well. Not for me, though. I can't tap keys fast enough and if I hold keys I overshoot my target.

    Mouse, on the other hand, I don't even need to hold a button. just small movements up and down lets me be exactly where I need to be.

    I have had friends convinced they could not do the omega minigame until I told them to try the mouse. But again, just a matter of what you are used to. If the keyboard is what works for you, that is great. :)
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    If you can get at least 2200 you'll get three traces and a sliver. More infrequently you'll get a shard or a fragment as well.

    I was advised to run my graphics settings really low for the minigame and it lags a whole lot less. I even get all of the particles sometimes, though my average score is around 2300.

    Try running your graphics settings down and see if that helps. Being colorblind doesn't matter as long as you can see the particles moving.
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  • tagentagen Member Posts: 547 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    i mean what are yall doing...just going up and down with the mouse like a constant ping pong match?

    Yes. :smiley:

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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    i mean what are yall doing...just going up and down with the mouse like a constant ping pong match? i tried again and my correlation aspect is the same for mouse and kb. lol. i cant get this past my standard of 900ish. i hit 1100 once. lol.

    Yep. Just holding the mouse between my thumb & ring/pinky, and moving it ~1" forward & back.

    echatty wrote: »
    I was advised to run my graphics settings really low for the minigame and it lags a whole lot less. I even get all of the particles sometimes, though my average score is around 2300.

    Try running your graphics settings down and see if that helps. Being colorblind doesn't matter as long as you can see the particles moving.

    I'm going to guess this "lag" & latency are the big issues. I've never seen anything I'd call "lag" while playing the minigame. Outside of the jump between stages if you miss a bunch of particles, I've never had any kind of movement issues. /shrug
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