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I'm a "whale." I probably would have bought the legendary bundle. But not like this...

mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
How - HOW - does a Legendary bundle that at least leans Klingon not include the D7 and the Negh'var? How is that even possible? What's more:

2 100% Off T6 Ship Coupons
The Ability to Fly Ships of Any Faction, Unlocked Across Your Entire Account
6 Ship Slots
6 Experimental Upgrade Tokens
11 Ultimate Tech Upgrades
11 Master Keys
11 R&D Promotional Ship Crafting Packs

Are just trash to pad the price. TRASH TO PAD THE PRICE. I cannot BELIEVE I've spent months looking forward to this (and other people have, really, spent years), only to have you trip over your own feet and stumble at the finish line. There isn't a chance in HELL that I would spend $250 for four ships plus fluff (even if I like those four ships, respectively, and would desperately like to have an Excelsior that doesn't suck).

For shame.
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  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    Very frustrating that I can't get the one ship i would like, the B'rel, and not have to buy a whole $250 pack to get it. Hard pass.
  • tidetogo1tidetogo1 Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    Very frustrating that I can't get the one ship i would like, the B'rel, and not have to buy a whole $250 pack to get it. Hard pass.

    Get the Kor. I think you can get it in the starter pack for 2000 zen. Thats how I got mine.
  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    Very frustrating that I can't get the one ship i would like, the B'rel, and not have to buy a whole $250 pack to get it. Hard pass.

    It's the price I cannot wrap my head around. The Fed bundle was, what, 10 ships for $250? That's a big chunk of change for most people (ESPECIALLY in the middle of a pandemic. Look, I know that Cryptic has employees with mouths to feed, too, but there's a difference between 'value' and 'gouging'), but a lot of us bought it because we saw some value in the deal. Plus, it had some BIG HITTERS that people really lust after, like the legendary Connie and legendary Defiant, etc.

    But this? This is a freaking wasteland by comparison. This is like future "Nevada waterfront property" from 1978's Superman, except there isn't going to be any earthquake. I'm not buying a parcel of nothing, Cryptic, and most people aren't, either.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    IDK if I'm a "whale", but I've certainly spent a lot of money on the game since before it ever launched (buying LTS to get into beta). Either way, I agree on 2 points:

    1: I absolutely would have bought a KDF legendary bundle like the Fed bundle.

    2: I absolutely won't be buying this bundle.

    The-Grand-Nagus
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    A whale? Kirk may still be looking for you then. Time travel happens endlessly after all. ;)
  • kurtronkurtron Member Posts: 192 Arc User
    As with many bundles, to include the legendary fed pack....we all wait for stripped down versions.

    Good luck! Expect that to happen the same time we get a T6 Nova and the old Klingon War episodes returned.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,469 Arc User
    Same here. LTS on PC and XBOX, spent god knows how much over 10 years, but this pack is pure price gouging, and insulting that it's not a full KDF pack that should be featuring the BoP, Vorcha, Negh'var and D7. They should scrap the Keys and R&D boxes too out of this pack or in the very least, release a pack without them. I wouldn't pay anything more than 12k considering 10 Legendary Fed pack cost 19.5k!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    Overall not a good bundle, so far, imo & not a good value.

    The bundle isn't inspiring nor very tempting & if this is ends-up being Cryptic's attempt at an equivalent Klingon Legend Bundle then it's a failure & disappointing, but great trolling of any Klingon enthusiast player(s).

    Is this what Legend bundles have been diluted to now needing to include ship coupons, while good upon their own, for other older non-Legend already in-game ships?

    "Command Any Ship" has already debuted & more than likely will be had by players when this releases so mostly worthless addition.

    The (6) ship slots & X-Upgrades makes me think there might be (2) more undisclosed ships to this bundles' roster, maybe???

    (11) Ultimate Upgrades is decent & the Keys should be thought of as little value like adding (44) Lobi & (11) Salvaged Technology bits lol.

    Was the Gre'thor Targ the earnable combat pet or the other from the C-Store that had an inflated price compared to other combat pets?

    The Holo-Worf is good but that really depends upon the traits, & I'm sure the Boreth Monk robes will look cool.

    The Vo'n'talk class visual is decent I guess but that reception is always subjective. The ship's shields are less than a fleet B'rel lol, not even Improved Raider Flanking, & the only newness is the Deadly Appearances trait which does read as good potential. The included consoles seem like a good complimentary too: click the induction coils, use the sub-jumper followed by the shield destab, then mop up firing the quantum warheads along with your other weapons for the kill(s). Again, nothing stands above, even slightly, per stats compared between the fleet B'rel, D4X, & fleet M'Chla.

    So far based upon this, a no buy, easy decision. But then again I'm not a "whale" by any stretch of the imagination.
  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    > @foppotee#4552 said:
    > Overall not a good bundle, so far, imo & not a good value.
    >
    > The bundle isn't inspiring nor very tempting & if this is ends-up being Cryptic's attempt at an equivalent Klingon Legend Bundle then it's a failure & disappointing, but great trolling of any Klingon enthusiast player(s).

    Kael confirmed over on Reddit that there will be no KDF bundle - this is it.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    Like I've said in other places, I think this pack is destined for the dumpster and will be their de-facto excuse for the future when asked why they don't make more Klingon ships. (Point to this pack and mention how horrible of a seller it was)

    The D7 will likely be in it's own pack because you know they will milk the hell out of pack with the most iconic Klingon ship bar none.
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
  • haamre00haamre00 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    I've the same feelings - way overprices with a ton of "goodies" I, personally, don't care. As probably most other actually playing (and paying) players, feel - at least according to fleet/reddit/twitter/fb chats/boards.
  • madmoparmadmopar Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Like I've said in other places, I think this pack is destined for the dumpster and will be their de-facto excuse for the future when asked why they don't make more Klingon ships. (Point to this pack and mention how horrible of a seller it was)
    >
    > The D7 will likely be in it's own pack because you know they will milk the hell out of pack with the most iconic Klingon ship bar none.

    Year of klingon gave me everything I need to move completely fed side. While KDF got some nice upgrades to character models and other stuff you know fed is going to get even better upgrades.

    There is zero reason to play kdf now that any advantage they had(cheap traits and consoles) is gone while feds maintain their advantage(dev attention).
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    Yeah, this pack is loaded with too much 'filler' things that people can get any time, in any quantity they want or need. For a 'ship' bundle, 1/2 or more of the 'value' Cryptic is trying to sell *ISN'T* ships. I managed to save my way into the 10-ship legendary bundle. It was 10 ships, ~8 of which I enjoy flying. Why would I spend the same amount for nearly half as much of what really matters?

    The problem with this pack - other than the price itself - is that it feels like it's designed for people who are new to the game. I don't know any long-time player who wants the stuff other than the ships; most of us have all the slots we need; we buy T6 ships from the store during zen sales; we have all our BOFFs already (and don't really feel like jumping through hoops to set up holographic versions [cool as the Worf one may be]).

    Ultimately, if you don't need something in a bundle, that item has zero value - you're paying for an object that you don't want. Many of us might have spent, say, $120 to get the four ships because they're unique (especially the Excelsior, since the current T6 is such hot garbage)... but almost nobody I've spoken to is willing to pay a $70-80 up-charge for the 'extras' that they padded this bundle out with.
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,221 Arc User
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    Yeah, this pack is loaded with too much 'filler' things that people can get any time, in any quantity they want or need. For a 'ship' bundle, 1/2 or more of the 'value' Cryptic is trying to sell *ISN'T* ships. I managed to save my way into the 10-ship legendary bundle. It was 10 ships, ~8 of which I enjoy flying. Why would I spend the same amount for nearly half as much of what really matters?

    The problem with this pack - other than the price itself - is that it feels like it's designed for people who are new to the game. I don't know any long-time player who wants the stuff other than the ships; most of us have all the slots we need; we buy T6 ships from the store during zen sales; we have all our BOFFs already (and don't really feel like jumping through hoops to set up holographic versions [cool as the Worf one may be]).

    Ultimately, if you don't need something in a bundle, that item has zero value - you're paying for an object that you don't want. Many of us might have spent, say, $120 to get the four ships because they're unique (especially the Excelsior, since the current T6 is such hot garbage)... but almost nobody I've spoken to is willing to pay a $70-80 up-charge for the 'extras' that they padded this bundle out with.

    It's designed as a pure money grab. I don't see why a new player wants all this gamble stuff. Actually I think they were to lazy to figure something else out and wanted to make it look like it worth more then what is actually in the package.

    C-Store Inc. is still looking for active members on the fed side. If you don't have a fleet feel free to contact me in game @stegi.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    madmopar wrote: »
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Like I've said in other places, I think this pack is destined for the dumpster and will be their de-facto excuse for the future when asked why they don't make more Klingon ships. (Point to this pack and mention how horrible of a seller it was)
    >
    > The D7 will likely be in it's own pack because you know they will milk the hell out of pack with the most iconic Klingon ship bar none.

    Year of klingon gave me everything I need to move completely fed side. While KDF got some nice upgrades to character models and other stuff you know fed is going to get even better upgrades.

    There is zero reason to play kdf now that any advantage they had(cheap traits and consoles) is gone while feds maintain their advantage(dev attention).

    The Devs went a inch with the Klingons and act like they went a mile

    This is all the final excuse they need to basically develop Feds only...and we know they have a laundry list of back items

    Discovery Enterprise uniform, Discovery 32nd century uniform, Admiral Picard uniform, and Lower Decks uniform
    The California class and 32nd Century ships
    More legendary ships, ship of the line bundles, and never before T6 ships

    Yeah....hey have tons of exclusive Fed content to work on and I'm sure more they can create themselves, once this farce of "The year of the Klingon" is over it would be Year of the Fed just like every other year in the game.
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    madmopar wrote: »
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Like I've said in other places, I think this pack is destined for the dumpster and will be their de-facto excuse for the future when asked why they don't make more Klingon ships. (Point to this pack and mention how horrible of a seller it was)
    >
    > The D7 will likely be in it's own pack because you know they will milk the hell out of pack with the most iconic Klingon ship bar none.

    Year of klingon gave me everything I need to move completely fed side. While KDF got some nice upgrades to character models and other stuff you know fed is going to get even better upgrades.

    There is zero reason to play kdf now that any advantage they had(cheap traits and consoles) is gone while feds maintain their advantage(dev attention).

    The Devs went a inch with the Klingons and act like they went a mile

    This is all the final excuse they need to basically develop Feds only...and we know they have a laundry list of back items

    Discovery Enterprise uniform, Discovery 32nd century uniform, Admiral Picard uniform, and Lower Decks uniform
    The California class and 32nd Century ships
    More legendary ships, ship of the line bundles, and never before T6 ships

    Yeah....hey have tons of exclusive Fed content to work on and I'm sure more they can create themselves, once this farce of "The year of the Klingon" is over it would be Year of the Fed just like every other year in the game.

    I don't feel the whole 'Fed vs. KDF' thing the way a lot of other players do - especially now that the wall has fallen, and we can fly everything. To me, cool Star Trek ships are just cool Star Trek ships - if a ship is iconic, I want it to be made into a legendary, and I want it in my collection.

    Make no mistake, I want these four ships. But I won't pay this for them, because the frills are just obnoxious. And - AND - I am as disappointed as anyone about what isn't in the bundle: the D7, the Negh'var, and potentially the Bortasqu. How are we ever going to get the legendary versions of the latter two (I still expect the D7 as a standalone) if not in this pack?
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
    Hmm am I reading the same Announcement as the rest here as the announcement I read said there will be ships starting with the B'Rel and releasing info in the coming weeks what else is included.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11483483 this being linked to https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11483463-the-2021-anniversary-legendary-bundle suggesting there will be more then just the list shown in the OP.

    Am I missing something obvious or are people just too fast to rage to read everything.
  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    > @spiritborn said:
    > Hmm am I reading the same Announcement as the rest here as the announcement I read said there will be ships starting with the B'Rel and releasing info in the coming weeks what else is included.
    > https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11483483 this being linked to https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11483463-the-2021-anniversary-legendary-bundle suggesting there will be more then just the list shown in the OP.
    >
    > Am I missing something obvious or are people just too fast to rage to read everything.

    There's another photo from the launcher that reveals the other 3 ships.
  • delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    It also doesn't matter what the other 3 ships are. They still wouldn't be worth $250.
  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    deleroux wrote: »
    It also doesn't matter what the other 3 ships are. They still wouldn't be worth $250.

    This too.
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    We all stand to benefit if this reaches the attention of the decision makers.

    The problem is, it probably won't. I don't want to play EVE Online, but one of the systems I desperately miss from that game is the elected community representatives, and how they were able to interact with the development team in a very public way.

    STO, sadly, feels much more like World of Warcraft in this respect - we stand in the streets and shout up at balconies with shuttered doors, never knowing if the people inside are listening, let alone there.
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  • fallenkezef#4581 fallenkezef Member Posts: 644 Arc User
    mattingly1 wrote: »
    How - HOW - does a Legendary bundle that at least leans Klingon not include the D7 and the Negh'var? How is that even possible? What's more:

    2 100% Off T6 Ship Coupons
    The Ability to Fly Ships of Any Faction, Unlocked Across Your Entire Account
    6 Ship Slots
    6 Experimental Upgrade Tokens
    11 Ultimate Tech Upgrades
    11 Master Keys
    11 R&D Promotional Ship Crafting Packs

    Are just trash to pad the price. TRASH TO PAD THE PRICE. I cannot BELIEVE I've spent months looking forward to this (and other people have, really, spent years), only to have you trip over your own feet and stumble at the finish line. There isn't a chance in HELL that I would spend $250 for four ships plus fluff (even if I like those four ships, respectively, and would desperately like to have an Excelsior that doesn't suck).

    For shame.

    Welcome to the so-called year of the Klingon
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