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Melee Attack needs to be improved
michelle82t
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As a new Klingon Recruit I tried to gain the "Warrior's Blood" Objective and I found it is quite...suicidal.
First, if i need to use melee, I can NOT turn on autoattack.
Unlike autoattack for ranged weapon, autoattack for melee will simply make your character standing still and wielding weapon, never care if any target in attack range. If autoattack is turned on for melee then the character will never be able to move because he/she is too busy wielding weapon to move.
Also when you need to attack target you need to move within attacking range, and melee has extreme short range, so you have to manually move your character closing enough to target but you NEVER know if you are truely close enough to your target due to network latency. Not to mention your target will try to run away from you. So mostly what will happen is ... when I move my character to target and launch attack, either the attack will miss due to NOT actually within melee range, or target ran away when I was trying to get close.
I believe melee has to be improved, either add an auto-movement function to let character automatically move to target then launch attack, or add a check to see if any vaild target within range, stopping character to swing his/her weapon like an id***. otherwise holding a pulsewave blast and use melee attack will be far more effective than wielding a Bat'leth because enemies will actually trying to run TO you rather than running away.
Fascinating, but not interesting at all.
First, if i need to use melee, I can NOT turn on autoattack.
Unlike autoattack for ranged weapon, autoattack for melee will simply make your character standing still and wielding weapon, never care if any target in attack range. If autoattack is turned on for melee then the character will never be able to move because he/she is too busy wielding weapon to move.
Also when you need to attack target you need to move within attacking range, and melee has extreme short range, so you have to manually move your character closing enough to target but you NEVER know if you are truely close enough to your target due to network latency. Not to mention your target will try to run away from you. So mostly what will happen is ... when I move my character to target and launch attack, either the attack will miss due to NOT actually within melee range, or target ran away when I was trying to get close.
I believe melee has to be improved, either add an auto-movement function to let character automatically move to target then launch attack, or add a check to see if any vaild target within range, stopping character to swing his/her weapon like an id***. otherwise holding a pulsewave blast and use melee attack will be far more effective than wielding a Bat'leth because enemies will actually trying to run TO you rather than running away.
Fascinating, but not interesting at all.
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Its taken me a lot of time to get used to combat switching (and learning which weapons work for Dante style switch antics) but as much as I dislike that mission, the way she shifts to and fro in combat was really nice - Its why I like the staff weapons but I still find them niche due to their gun type - J'ulas weapon is far more my play style
Any chance we can get her combo weapon as a reward or lobi?
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You might eventually end up getting dozens of melee kills that count towards the recruitment goals in quick succession in a single TFO or mission after some progression.
When she engages with her mekleths she advances on the enemy she has autotargeted, and attacking automatically faces you towards the enemy. This is how all melee weapons should work. It's good to know the code now exists; if only it could be implemented across the board.
Right now if you want to use melee, against most opponents you need to use something like stun grenade or electro-gravitic field because otherwise enemies just dodge out of the way, and once you click the attack buttons for a melee weapon your character cannot move until the attack is complete. Weapon malfunction works on klingons because they can switch to melee and will get close on their own.
I just wish there was an auto-cleave mechanic so you could hit multiple targets at once without needing to be a tactical captain..
My plan is to go braindead either poking borg on defera do a rinse and repeat slaughter of the bar on nimbus or something like the batleth rings if those count. Although I don't really see me bothering as melee combat in STO is just a steaming pile of keech and the thought of doing that many kills on two PC accounts plus PS4 when it arrives makes things like synthwave every day for three weeks sound like a holiday in paradise.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
I was curious about this as well.. I actually think it would work. Melee does Physical Damage, and my guess is that the game simply tracks kills with physical damage to boost the counter. If that’s the case then you could get your ‘melee’ kills by using the Tommy Gun. I have been meaning to try it, I just need to get some time to play my recruit. If I hear confirmation either way, I’ll let you know.
I would however, prefer that Bat’leth combat were greatly improved because I actually like the recruit weapon and would love to use it. If I could get it to be effective, I would make an entire ground team of melee Klingon Warriors.. that would be really cool. Right now though, it’s frustrating for many of the reasons the OP stated already.
Good of you to remind there is an auto-lunge hiding lurking there and it just has to be used. This would be a good time to get re-acquainted and figure a few things out lol.
I was doing the mission Alpha on my level 25 recruit and found the auto-lunge triggers at 5 metres or less but I had to manually click to select targets with the game at it's factory settings versus the Hirogen. They did seem to have the ability to move just out of range briefly and if they closed the distance again all was ok and if not R for auto move forward seemed to take care of the another auto-lunge or close. I was playing in RPG mode.
So a highly effective weapon that might need some settings tweaks for an optimal experience? The issue I encountered using a Bat'leth versus a energy weapon is that it didn't auto acquire a target.
Yes, it's been a while.
Did easily 50 more with the tommy after the map replenished targets and my transponder still didn't move from 10 to 50.
Will try this verus NPC's for a bit and see what happens.
Update: beast do count and those two guns don't seem to -
Went down to do the ruins portion of the mission with my Bat'leth vs the sandworms and hit 50 on my melee-O-meter just like that. Now the unique Bat'leth heals me as well based upon damage dealt.
Only 2450 more bad guys to go lol.
Hey thanks man.. I was meaning to test the Tommy Gun to see if I could 'game the system,' but alas I will have to just break down and do it the way I am supposed to.
Cool of you to let us know.. thanks again.
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I am using the Bat'Leth of Stovokor from the Transponder.. it has no lunge attack.
{Edit} - My bad, it does. It's not a mappable attack, it just does it automatically on auto attack.. nice. I didn't notice it.. thank you.
It's made the weapon a lot cooler.. I got 50 kills in nothing flat. I like the way it keeps making the weapon better and better.. pretty nice.
I just got myself a Tsunkatse Falchion at level 30 so that will be next. Want to compare notes on any auto-lunge differences on it versus the Bat'leth.
It's going to be interesting to see what sort of end-game melee builds make the melee-O-meter work.
But just as problematic is the fact that the only advantage of melee (namely, that it ignores shields) was given to so many other powers. Just look at all the dev blogs where the last lock boxes, gear from events, boff abilities and so on were announced.
Everything has to bypass shields nowadays or it's not interesting enough to release it, apparently. Or actually, not just 'nowadays', as this has been going on for years.
I've also pointed this out years ago. And it hasn't changed, it's only gotten worse, much worse. They never should have given that advantage to so much stuff. It's a benefit you get because there are, as noted, serious drawbacks to and challenges to overcome when using a melee build. To give it to stuff that doesn't have to deal with those drawbacks, was always unfair to those using melee weapons and certainly didn't help them gain popularity or viability.
Of course, no one but a select few cared about this years ago when this began with the release of the TR rifle. So yeah, I doubt many people are going to care now. It's too late to change it anyway, the only solution they seem to be able to come up with, is releasing more overpowered new melee weapons instead of fixing the underlying mechanics.
Been thinking of other spots that have large numbers of enemies that don't tend to run away so those ruin worms on nimbus might be fairly useful as a farming spot. Missions vs hurq on the ground should also work as they're nibblers more than shooters.
For me, the biggest issue is how most enemies back away from you and many of your attack combos (when they work) will end up striking in the air because the target is both too close to initiate the auto-lunge and too far away to get hit. At low-levels, it's already troublesome but at least the enemies are weaker, but I dread to see how combat will go at lvl60 where you try to hit one target while the rest of their buddies keep doing ranged flanking damage on your rump.
Some traits thankfully help a bit, but they're, you know, lockbox traits and many players won't know which they are.
I believe the issue could be alleviated without a whole system work if the recruits were rewarded a special trait early that allows you to AoE-stun or root foes.
Fortunately there are going to be ways of farming on enemies that won't run away. Nimbus is full of worms and the arthropods, but even the Rura Penthe mission is fairly good for this during the first section with unarmed prisoners. Of course the best one may be one of the last missions released where we revisit Nimbus and have the infinitely spawning arthropods and mugatos.
Borg on Defera are a good option too.
Yes, it might take a while. It's not something that needs to be completed rapidly though, so it's not too bad I guess.
IIRC all Bat'leths have that short range lunge, emphasis on short though as the range is maybe 5 meters at most and probably closer to 3 meters.
That said the transponder Bat'leth nice for a different reason, mainly it heals you when you do damage, that said I wouldn't recommend giving boffs melee weapons as in my experience they just stand there and do nothing if you give them one.
That said, if I knew my ground melee combat was one of the worst-implemented elements of the game, I probably wouldn't choose to showcase just how bad it was by making '2,500 melee kills' part of my showcase event for my showcase "Year of the Klingon". It just shows the tremendous gap between the people making the decisions at Cryptic and any knowledge of actual gameplay.
Then again, from what I can see, the only reward for completing the melee kills is being better at melee, which most of us will never do again anyway. So an easily skippable task if it's not your cup of tea.