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Yay! No More Torture! (KDF Revamp Part 2)
millefune
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Thank you for removing the torture scene from the Warzone episode on the KDF side. It made me stop playing and aborting the mission on my first KDF character (wanted to play a not-scumbag character while also not being Starfleet), and never go beyond that point in that episode on that character. And when I forced myself to play through it, just to see what story points I missed on the KDF side, I really didn't enjoy it (being the torturer and seeing a Starfleet captain go out like that). I appreciate the change, and also like that you gave us the option to not blow up the ship.
Just wish we had the option in the Empire/Tutorial to let the ship that was tricked by Franklin Drake's false distress signal leave (the one that didn't want any trouble, apologized, and was ready to just be on its way) too. Anyway, thanks again for the changes! ^_^
Just wish we had the option in the Empire/Tutorial to let the ship that was tricked by Franklin Drake's false distress signal leave (the one that didn't want any trouble, apologized, and was ready to just be on its way) too. Anyway, thanks again for the changes! ^_^
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You're supposed to be able to let the ship go, but for some reason whether a bug or an error on the devs part, it forces you to kill it even if you convince them to leave.
Klingons do torture their prisoners, it part's of their culture, they even torture each other with pain sticks during the Rite of Ascenion, pain and honor is what separates Klingons from Federation Dogs, also some of the player base was pissed that the "Interrogation" part was removed from that mission, there's even an entire forum thread on it.
I do have to say that I find it silly to not just plow through it anyway and pretend your character never did it. It is easy to rationalize as the game does not give you other options to get the information.
But I do not like it being removed entirely. That is just unnecessary.
Feds commit genocide and mass murder in the fed missions and you can't take a little advanced KDF interrogation techniques?
The whole damn mission was gutted. I used to re-run the attack on the shipyards just for fun but now it's just boring and stupid rather than epic.
To me it was just a general roughing up that seemed in character and I didn't attach any more meaning to it than that but we're all different.
I also sympathize with anybody dealing with the loss or modification of their favorite mission no matter what their faction or mission.
In this case a battle at the Mars shipyards versus the Feds is still fun, but not quite the same as it's original version as it's been shortened. BOP captains need Fed targets. Lots of them. At that point in the storyline there ain't no Alliance, just red reticles versus the Feds.
You should celebrate the fact they finally realized it was wrong, but also be disturbed by the fact this is also a very much human issue. The human lesson is not one that should be forgotten at all. Mindless obedience to authority, or even just cowardly obedience has killed millions upon millions of people, and oppressed billions. It is why free thought, free expression, and the ability to fight back against authority is so important, IRL.
No kidding. I've been playing this game for 8 or so years now. I'm pretty sure I've killed billions of people at this point. It's fine as long as you don't think about the crews of the ships your making go boom.
Considering I'm going to see feds able to fly bops and the anniversary offering is a Kor+1 for all with the command kdf were begging to have on the Kor.... the torture has begun
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I know right? Hypocritical, click bait like the op tend to annoy me.
One of the things I like about running KDF is you are honest about yourself. Torture, destroying wave after wave of ships and people on the ground in the name of the Empire. It may be messy, but it's what Klingon do.
Feddybears preach about how good they are yet there is no option to open hailing frequencies and talk the enemy down is there?
Also it all makes sense! New character getting command? Well you are a lieutenant who's senior officer murdered the XO and plotting treason. To challenge the TRIBBLE and take command is believable and fits the lore.
Feds? Oh, lets give this kid, straight from academy, his own command because he was lucky enough not to get killed in his first mission.....
Agreed. I also particularly "like" how he has described every single Klingon as a scumbag. As if all Federation citizens and Starfleet officers are bloody saints - which we know they aren't.
I would've been fine if they decided to give us the choice whether to torture or not - after all as @sirsitsalot said these are OUR characters and we should be able to choose how they behave about certain things, if only in a minimal way.
To remove the torture entirely it's stupid and it's something that I'm pretty sure was made only because they knew they were going for a recruit event and they didn't want the main-Fed players to feel "guilty".
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
"most" people? Care to back that up with facts and figures
"most" people seem quite happy wiping out more people than Stalin on a regular basis but complain about ONE torture scene?
ROFL, exactly.
But let him rant. It's all he's good for.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Right, I get that, people don't like being railroaded, despite that being no fault of their character who was operating on the only information they had at the time. I think that is fairly immature as no one is perfect, and such things can dramatically change someone's perspective on life, leaving a long lasting mark and a determination to not repeat mistakes of the past. Also, people do get pulled into bad situations through no fault of their own IRL, however, this is a game that totally lacks narrative choices, so I get it.
And as others have pointed out, we have all killed thousands if not millions of people in this game. The blood dripping from our hands is a river. Again, there's no option to do otherwise, but to act like blowing up hundreds or thousands of ships is nothing compared to killing some scientists or torturing one man, is plainly absurd. If you play STO, you're going to kill thousands maybe millions, so what is another twenty here or there? The only way to win is not to play at all.
But that does not at all apply to Renegade's Regret, however as it isn't even our character. That is what I was specifically writing about in what you replied to.
By your logic are you finaly accepting the fact that Cryptic are biased against KDF players and there is a lack of parity between factions? If "many" forum threads are your unit of measurement, there is a thread about KDF lacking parity every week....
Somehow I doubt you'll apply your standard equaly.
What people conveniantly seem to ignore is the fact that "barbaric" practices are part of Klingon culture. When you roll a KDF toon you accept the culture and civilisation you are generating a character for.
Him using logic? That'd be the day, my friend.
Also, just as a reminder: the Federation and the Empire were AT WAR. So yes, from a Klingon's pov that Starfleet Captain WAS evil because he was the enemy.
And really, if it was such a big problem, why not change it before now? Why wait YEARS, literally?
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
All that being said, I did point out that I had issue with blowing up the peaceful Federation ship. And I'll admit, I really REALLY don't like watching Voth Citadel Dreadnoughts fall apart. Some of those Voth could be Nelen Exil's family or former friends. :-(