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They are the best class out there right now, and i do own a voth flight deck carrier myself. A tier5 voth bastion FDC. Only reason i prefer my both vanguard and vanguard support carriers over it is to avoid dinasour engineering ship models. But to be honest a single voth t5 FDC is better than both of the carriers, or any carrier that isnt a FD carrier. Reasons are given below;
*Flick deck carriers now have 5 front and 3 aft weapons. (Exceptions may apply but they always have more than any other carrier type)
*They have 2 hangar bays just like carriers.
*They have 4 device slots, which doesnt really matter but considering some sci carriers have 3, it is an advantage nonetheless.
*They have cruiser command auras.
*They have cruiser level hp and shields.
*They are agile as cruisers not bulky as carriers.
*They have carrier's quick deployment trait basically turning them into carriers.
*Most of them have command spec, the best current spec for any carrier, even though we still need a carrier spec tree.
My suggestion is, dont necesserily nerf them to a point they are no longer carriers, no just reduce their turning, speed and inertia below regular levels of a cruiser, and make their +energy bonuses focused on shields (primarly) and aux not weapons like regular cruisers.
This would make them unique and powerfull, a different way of playing a cruiser. Instead of going guns blazing and doing all broadsides, this time captains of FDCs will need to stay back deploy 4 or most of the time 5 frontal guns from long range while deploying fighters. So that i believe they are more DPS yet very poor CQB vessels, an alternate type of cruisers.
But still as you see, even with such a change you have a problem at hand. The moment you turn them into 5 frontal gun snipers that stay at long range and deploy 2 hangar bays, (which is a job description for full carriers) full carriers, there is nothing unique left to carriers. And besides now;
*FDCs have 5 guns shooting from long range instead of 3- or 4 in vanguard carrier's case which comes at a cost for device slot and a intelligence spec that is useless for any carrier. Making vanguard carrier obselete compared to 3 frontal guns, the support carrier.
*FDCs have better armor and shields
*They got cruiser command auras compared to useless targeting skills of carriers (If they were targeting III than they would be wonderfull)
*They are much faster and agile also higher inertia, acc and deaccelerate rate, something important for full impulse and hell for new support carriers as they cant stop before sliding 10kms in space
So, my belief is after implication of the new changes including high nerf to their turning, speed and inertia and changing their energy bonuses to shields and aux from weapons, we need a touch for carriers.
Any carrier that isnt FDC or strike wing escort, AKA full carriers should have a new mastery, as their very 2nd mastery, to buff their pets. And have their regular traits be "improved" since they themselves are already incapable of dealing damage. I also support removal of 1 tactical console and moving it to engineering or science if one type is already at 5 consoles. Also all carriers should have command spec until a new carrier spec is made public.
An example for stats of Jem hadar vanguard carrier, (Technicly same for any carrier out there concerning 1st and 2nd masteries);
4 front 2 rear guns
Lieutenant Commander Tactical
Lieutenant Engineer NEW!
Commander Science
Lieutenant Commander Science "Command" NEW
Ensing universal
All carriers regardless of weapons compositions should have 4 devices, as 1 missing device slot is not enough to compansate for 1 weapon placed on front instead vanguard carrier, for its 4 front weapons, should receive;
+10 weapon energy
+5 aux energy (instead of +10, vanguard carrier is more self reliant on offense rather than depending fully on its pets, with this support carriers should have more aux, making up for the lack of 1 extra front gun)
I Rapid Deployment 50% recharge time reduction to launching Carrier pet crafts. +50% Rank Up XP for all Hangar Pets. (For FDC's "Quick Deployment's recharge rate should stay the same but rank up xp bonus should be removed) (With this new trait, max amount of flight deck duty officers reducing the recharge time of launching pets is limited to 1 this way, carriers cant spam every 1 seconds with this new trait, but also FDC's cant equip many of them to spam like carriers.)
II Carrier Command Allied ships within 5km range of the carrier (Excluding carrier itself) will get: +25 to accuracy, +10 defense, +%2 crit chance, +%10 crit severity. Any allied pets within 10km (inculing own pets) will get: +10 to accuracy, +25 to defense +%3 crit chance, +%10 crit severity. (Cant be stacked for both ships and pets, strongest one being "support carrier command(Mentioned below)" will override the weaker Carrier Command of regular carriers)
III Locking onto a target will inflict one stack onto enemy evey 3 seconds (target is immune for any application of same stack for this 3 seconds to prevent allied carriers spamming stack very quickly). All pets (Both yours and allied) targeting the primary target will deal %5 more damage to primary target (With all weapon types aka all damage modifier) with each stack max 10 stacks up to %50. Must focus on target, if primary target is changed (even for a second) all stacks will be lost.
IV Outpost +20% Shield Hitpoints, +20% Hull Hitpoints. 10% Shield Regeneration every 6 seconds. Reduces Damage to Shields by 10%. After having engines at 0 thrust rate for 5 seconds. (Being pushed by abilities.. does not break this)
Sınce all full carriers should get command spec;
V Dampen Energy Signatures +Stealth, Dmg, -Threat for Hangar Pets after activating "Command" Bridge Officer Abilities or "AS LONG AS" Mask Energy Signature "IS ACTIVE" or "Cloaked(By any means)"
To your Hangar Pets for 10 sec:
+0% Bonus All Damage (No damage)
-50% Threat Generation
+4,000 Stealth
+20 Defense Rating (+5)
NOTE: Masteries 1 and 4 are universal between all carriers.
Masteries 2, and 3 are universal between all carriers minus support carriers.
for support carriers;
second mastery should be stronger: Support Carrier Command Allied ships within 7.5km range of the carrier (Excluding carrier itself) will get: +35 to accuracy, +15 defense, +%2 crit chance, +%15 crit severity. Any allied pets within 10km (inculing own pets) will get: +15 to accuracy, +35 to defense +%3 crit chance, +%15 crit severity. (Cant be stacked for both ships and pets, strongest one being "support carrier command" will override the weaker Carrier Command of regular carriers)
third mastery should be much weaker and different, a defensive bonus, something like common: Armored Hull +10% Hull Hitpoints.
Also support carrier 5th mastery needs a "fix"
V Relaunch And Repair When you launch carrier pets:
To self: -5% Recharge Time on Captain abilities
50% HP regenerated over 5 seconds to all allied Carrier Pets and %10 to self and allied ships within 5km range
And in order to make compatible with new 5km range of both command auras and relaunch and repair mastery trait needs following chance;
Console - Universal - High-Energy Communications Network
PBAoE Team Buffs, Foe Debuffs; +Rank to Carrier Pets
On activation:
* +1 Rank to "all allied" hangar pets within 10km
Holds foes within 5km for 3 sec
For 20 seconds, to allies within 5km:
* +100 Accuracy Rating
* +100 Defense Rating
* +%2 crit chance
* +%10 crit severity
* 20% Shield Resistance
To foes within 5km:
* -30 All Damage Resistance Rating
Affects Anything Alive (20 max)
2 min recharge
In the end i believe i have kept FDCs usefull and unique to both cruisers and carriers with a unique playstyle rather than outright grounding them. Also carriers are at the place where they should have been from the start without addition of further lag making extra 3rd and 4th hangar bay slots.
And i agree that all of those chances seem overpowered for anyone who never played a carrier, especially those who play as FDC or escorts who like to circle around the carrier, please respect the opinions of fellow carrier captains in the comment section, as many of them might even suggest that these changes wont even make a difference unless all that buffed up pets cant do any damage because of lack of an AI at all, as many of them just stay still sometimes and become AFK.
Just equip vanguard gunboats and tell them to dock, then give any order to undock that is when you will see them become untargetable yet AFK space holograms and nothing more, also as long as they are doing nothing and attracting aggroo and dynig, you cant deploy any more pets, killing your carrier play style.
This unresposivness only appered with gunboats but all fighters and frigates seem to be untargetable after undocking to me.
*Flick deck carriers now have 5 front and 3 aft weapons. (Exceptions may apply but they always have more than any other carrier type)
*They have 2 hangar bays just like carriers.
*They have 4 device slots, which doesnt really matter but considering some sci carriers have 3, it is an advantage nonetheless.
*They have cruiser command auras.
*They have cruiser level hp and shields.
*They are agile as cruisers not bulky as carriers.
*They have carrier's quick deployment trait basically turning them into carriers.
*Most of them have command spec, the best current spec for any carrier, even though we still need a carrier spec tree.
My suggestion is, dont necesserily nerf them to a point they are no longer carriers, no just reduce their turning, speed and inertia below regular levels of a cruiser, and make their +energy bonuses focused on shields (primarly) and aux not weapons like regular cruisers.
This would make them unique and powerfull, a different way of playing a cruiser. Instead of going guns blazing and doing all broadsides, this time captains of FDCs will need to stay back deploy 4 or most of the time 5 frontal guns from long range while deploying fighters. So that i believe they are more DPS yet very poor CQB vessels, an alternate type of cruisers.
But still as you see, even with such a change you have a problem at hand. The moment you turn them into 5 frontal gun snipers that stay at long range and deploy 2 hangar bays, (which is a job description for full carriers) full carriers, there is nothing unique left to carriers. And besides now;
*FDCs have 5 guns shooting from long range instead of 3- or 4 in vanguard carrier's case which comes at a cost for device slot and a intelligence spec that is useless for any carrier. Making vanguard carrier obselete compared to 3 frontal guns, the support carrier.
*FDCs have better armor and shields
*They got cruiser command auras compared to useless targeting skills of carriers (If they were targeting III than they would be wonderfull)
*They are much faster and agile also higher inertia, acc and deaccelerate rate, something important for full impulse and hell for new support carriers as they cant stop before sliding 10kms in space
So, my belief is after implication of the new changes including high nerf to their turning, speed and inertia and changing their energy bonuses to shields and aux from weapons, we need a touch for carriers.
Any carrier that isnt FDC or strike wing escort, AKA full carriers should have a new mastery, as their very 2nd mastery, to buff their pets. And have their regular traits be "improved" since they themselves are already incapable of dealing damage. I also support removal of 1 tactical console and moving it to engineering or science if one type is already at 5 consoles. Also all carriers should have command spec until a new carrier spec is made public.
An example for stats of Jem hadar vanguard carrier, (Technicly same for any carrier out there concerning 1st and 2nd masteries);
4 front 2 rear guns
Lieutenant Commander Tactical
Lieutenant Engineer NEW!
Commander Science
Lieutenant Commander Science "Command" NEW
Ensing universal
All carriers regardless of weapons compositions should have 4 devices, as 1 missing device slot is not enough to compansate for 1 weapon placed on front instead vanguard carrier, for its 4 front weapons, should receive;
+10 weapon energy
+5 aux energy (instead of +10, vanguard carrier is more self reliant on offense rather than depending fully on its pets, with this support carriers should have more aux, making up for the lack of 1 extra front gun)
I Rapid Deployment 50% recharge time reduction to launching Carrier pet crafts. +50% Rank Up XP for all Hangar Pets. (For FDC's "Quick Deployment's recharge rate should stay the same but rank up xp bonus should be removed) (With this new trait, max amount of flight deck duty officers reducing the recharge time of launching pets is limited to 1 this way, carriers cant spam every 1 seconds with this new trait, but also FDC's cant equip many of them to spam like carriers.)
II Carrier Command Allied ships within 5km range of the carrier (Excluding carrier itself) will get: +25 to accuracy, +10 defense, +%2 crit chance, +%10 crit severity. Any allied pets within 10km (inculing own pets) will get: +10 to accuracy, +25 to defense +%3 crit chance, +%10 crit severity. (Cant be stacked for both ships and pets, strongest one being "support carrier command(Mentioned below)" will override the weaker Carrier Command of regular carriers)
III Locking onto a target will inflict one stack onto enemy evey 3 seconds (target is immune for any application of same stack for this 3 seconds to prevent allied carriers spamming stack very quickly). All pets (Both yours and allied) targeting the primary target will deal %5 more damage to primary target (With all weapon types aka all damage modifier) with each stack max 10 stacks up to %50. Must focus on target, if primary target is changed (even for a second) all stacks will be lost.
IV Outpost +20% Shield Hitpoints, +20% Hull Hitpoints. 10% Shield Regeneration every 6 seconds. Reduces Damage to Shields by 10%. After having engines at 0 thrust rate for 5 seconds. (Being pushed by abilities.. does not break this)
Sınce all full carriers should get command spec;
V Dampen Energy Signatures +Stealth, Dmg, -Threat for Hangar Pets after activating "Command" Bridge Officer Abilities or "AS LONG AS" Mask Energy Signature "IS ACTIVE" or "Cloaked(By any means)"
To your Hangar Pets for 10 sec:
+0% Bonus All Damage (No damage)
-50% Threat Generation
+4,000 Stealth
+20 Defense Rating (+5)
NOTE: Masteries 1 and 4 are universal between all carriers.
Masteries 2, and 3 are universal between all carriers minus support carriers.
for support carriers;
second mastery should be stronger: Support Carrier Command Allied ships within 7.5km range of the carrier (Excluding carrier itself) will get: +35 to accuracy, +15 defense, +%2 crit chance, +%15 crit severity. Any allied pets within 10km (inculing own pets) will get: +15 to accuracy, +35 to defense +%3 crit chance, +%15 crit severity. (Cant be stacked for both ships and pets, strongest one being "support carrier command" will override the weaker Carrier Command of regular carriers)
third mastery should be much weaker and different, a defensive bonus, something like common: Armored Hull +10% Hull Hitpoints.
Also support carrier 5th mastery needs a "fix"
V Relaunch And Repair When you launch carrier pets:
To self: -5% Recharge Time on Captain abilities
50% HP regenerated over 5 seconds to all allied Carrier Pets and %10 to self and allied ships within 5km range
And in order to make compatible with new 5km range of both command auras and relaunch and repair mastery trait needs following chance;
Console - Universal - High-Energy Communications Network
PBAoE Team Buffs, Foe Debuffs; +Rank to Carrier Pets
On activation:
* +1 Rank to "all allied" hangar pets within 10km
Holds foes within 5km for 3 sec
For 20 seconds, to allies within 5km:
* +100 Accuracy Rating
* +100 Defense Rating
* +%2 crit chance
* +%10 crit severity
* 20% Shield Resistance
To foes within 5km:
* -30 All Damage Resistance Rating
Affects Anything Alive (20 max)
2 min recharge
In the end i believe i have kept FDCs usefull and unique to both cruisers and carriers with a unique playstyle rather than outright grounding them. Also carriers are at the place where they should have been from the start without addition of further lag making extra 3rd and 4th hangar bay slots.
And i agree that all of those chances seem overpowered for anyone who never played a carrier, especially those who play as FDC or escorts who like to circle around the carrier, please respect the opinions of fellow carrier captains in the comment section, as many of them might even suggest that these changes wont even make a difference unless all that buffed up pets cant do any damage because of lack of an AI at all, as many of them just stay still sometimes and become AFK.
Just equip vanguard gunboats and tell them to dock, then give any order to undock that is when you will see them become untargetable yet AFK space holograms and nothing more, also as long as they are doing nothing and attracting aggroo and dynig, you cant deploy any more pets, killing your carrier play style.
This unresposivness only appered with gunboats but all fighters and frigates seem to be untargetable after undocking to me.
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i believe as a self reliant attack focused sci carrier the "vanguard carrier" should have
3 tac 3 eng 5sci from 4tac 2eng 5sci consoles
and any other sci carrier that has 3 front weapons
2tac 4eng 5sci
any carrier that is eng focused might aswell get only 1 tac and 5eng
while dread carriers keep current amount of tac consoles
And fleet support carriers 2 tac 5 eng 4 sci or 2 tac 4 en 5 sci
Also the console "Console - Universal - Linked Command Matrix" is kinda outdated
Heavy attack craft comes with the console is very weak and probably glitched.
1st. its beam array deal 500 dmg while gunships deal 1kx2
2. its dual beam also deal around 500dmg
3. Its torpedo is the only thing working correctly with correct daamge same 30k quantum torpedo damage as q torpedoes of gunboats, also its ai is fine are responsive
4. its incredible slow and cant turn, cant use its dual beam
5. its hp is 40k lower than vanguard wingmans or gunboat pets
6. its shield is i believe around 1k gets 1shotted with 1 beam hit
7. once destroyed need manual docking, this is a problem since we cant track its hp like we can with pets
8. pet heals, swarm console nothing works on it, no pet buff applies
9. just a waste of console slot especially on its mothership the "vanguard carrier" once deployed it just lowers essential shield energy
how to fix it;
1. make weapons as 2x dual beam banks and 1 quantum (dual beams with turn rate bonus should do)
2. fix beam damage and make pet damage buffs, consoles, and skills such as coordinations apply to it(essentially mark it as a pet not a summon)
3. increase turn rate a lot, and make it full impulse compatible (warp to carrier like vanguard wingmens?)
4. increase hp to at least 60k
5. fix shield
6. add auto dock a must have
7. modify its docking and undock stat changes for vanguard carrier. (it gives a large kinda %16 hp loss with shield loss and gives only minimal turn rate which is unnoticible and a mini damage buff that is unnecessery for a carrier)--
i personally suggest that heavy attack craft becomes a vanguard carrier exculisve powerhouse console (that weakens the mothership) to make sure other ships equiiping it wont become op. Then;
From
+6.5% Maximum Hull Capacity
+2.5% Critical Chance with Energy Weapons
Summon Heavy Attack Craft
Summon Heavy Attack Craft
Summon a Heavy Attack Craft to aid you in battle
Heavy Attack Craft Gear:
* Polaron Dual Beam Banks
* Polaron Beam Arrays
* Quantum Torpedoes
To
+10% Maximum Hull Capacity
+10% Maximum Shield Capacity
+25 Starship Drain Expertise
Summon Heavy Attack Craft
Summon Heavy Attack Craft
Summon a Heavy Attack Craft to aid you in battle
Heavy Attack Craft Gear:
* Polaron Dual Beam Banks (Always Beam:Overload 1 with minus -25 accuracy) (Turn rate buff should fix beam banks)
* Polaron Dual Beam Banks (Always Beam:Overload 1 with minus -25 accuracy)(Turn rate buff should fix beam banks)
* Polaron Dual Beam Banks (Always Beam:Overload 1 with minus -25 accuracy)(Turn rate buff should fix beam banks)
* Quantum Torpedoes (Always Torpedo: High Yield I. (This is how it is currently aswell))
No longer has access to Beams: Fire at Will III (that causes it to die in 5 sec after deploying)
Undocking the "Heavy Attack Craft":
-25% Maximum Hull Capacity
-25% Maximum Shield Capacity
+50% Turn Rate (nothing since its % and base value is too low)
+50% Inertia buff
And secondary deflectors only buff sci abilities, lets remember we are talking about carriers
otherwise with secondary deflector you only get yourself a science cruiser with less guns and less turn rate with some pets
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Hur'q_Vedcrid_Hive_Dreadnought_Carrier
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Vorgon_Ryn'kodan_Carrier
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Advanced_Obelisk_Carrier
*FDCs are all carriers and cruisers but better in everyway
*and you are trying to implement experimental on tac carriers aka dread carriers (there isnt such thing as escort carriers they are strikewing escorts with single bay) forgetting about they are not escorts but carriers, just because they are more self reliant on damage doesnt mean they should get exp weapons. otherwise escorts are pointless and everyone should get a dread carrier, just like how topic right now is FDCs are making everything else obselete
*never said FDCs are weaker than anything else, they are the best class
*and dont understand why a class with tons of missing features and imperfect pet ai gets nerfs over time
same for "They were made to be equal to cruisers AND have two hangars" if you give any ship 2 hangar bays than carriers are no longer unique, thats my concern
also again, if you give exp weapons to a carrier, than what about poor escorts?, is the carrier still a carrier? or a super slow super large escort with 2hangar bays?
if they have exp weapons escorts are dead
EDIT: wanna point out that exp weapons or sec deflectors wont just ruin sci vessels and escorts like how FDCs ruin carriers, but they also do nothing for pets themselves
it just doesnt make sense that any tier 6 FDCs dps either guns wise or pets wise be lower than any carrier
they got more guns for guns sake
they have access to same traits, consoles, and something most sci carriers are missing a command specialization
my t5u voth fdc outclasses my vanguard t6 and newly upgraded t6x support carrier vanguard on both guns directly and when you dont disable guns to test out just pets, you get around %80 more dps
thats ridiculus, if sci carriers had access to carrier specific specialization tree that could be usefull to it like basically any spec is usefull to any FDC, or if they had access to (which i hope not or otherwise they will destroy sci cruiser class like how fdcs destroy carriers) secondary deflectors to use exotics effectively they could stand up
I'd just give them more hangar slots. Like 4 total. Then they would be better carriers, and not just flight deck vessels.
Science vessels are kinda weird in that they aren't technically a type. A Nova is more the size of an escort (indeed it was an alternate for the defiant), where as a nebula is more like a cruiser (basically the same internal volume as the galaxy). So what would a flight deck science vessels even really be?
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i do agree, giving them 1-2 additional hangars would satisfy the "full carrier" design concept and flight deck carriers can remain the way they are?
Then there are the other builds like I use mines as my main weapons and on my full carrier like the Vorgen one I get more DPS from mines then I do from FDC’s. If my full carrier is next to a FDC and we both use mines even though the FDC has more weapon slots my full carrier should in most areas of the game outperform the FDC mine DPS. Same for destructible torp builds and a few other builds. Energy builds though 100% go FDC.
FDC’s do have a major advantage but they are not flat out better at everything. I have that T6 Voth FDC and do not really use it any more as I find the full carriers are better. Saying that I do agree full carriers need something and I like the idea of a real full carrier hanger mastery.
Its all good saying they need a rebalance as they do. But coming in and saying FDC’s are just better at everything is not the right starting point to make a good balance change.
I like the idea of a real full carrier hanger mastery. " yes
i got t5 voth fdc, i can equip everything i equipped on vanguard and sup vanguard, what you cant equip? i may not have them since i havent noticed anything note that ibuild my ships according to sto gamepedia and some items both old and new simply dont show up there so i may never seen em
the rest of the advantages you mentioned only apply to specific"prize pack" ships only but;
i couldnt find anything releated to speed of torpedoes or mines here https://sto.gamepedia.com/Vorgon_Ryn'kodan_Carrier from both ship and any consoles mentioned there
and mobulai frigates of Xindi-Aquatic; (1 beam 1 qtorp 1qmine)
These agile light craft are equipped with multiple Phase Biomatter beams, Quantum Torpedoes and a Quantum Mine Launcher. They are capable of using Dispersal Pattern Alpha I with their Quantum Mines, and will do so with some regularity.
my vanguard gunboats got beam overload 3(they use but nnot listed) 2 beam array 1 dual beam 1qtorp + evasive burst (%100 turn rate and speed increase) so they always catch up
besides even if they were superior they would only be ship specific, wouldnt effect any other carrier, as a jemhadar lover i couldnt utilize any
%20 energy wep haste is goof for fighters if not frigates, since frigates focus on generally abilities an torpedoes
but 12 of fighters with atleast 2 beam each
but i think while haste is good and mine is good but too specific and build limiting, they are currently not available and doubt they will be made public to all ships. most likely to not make FDC version of those console
about stalker fighters elite;
* Tetryon Pulse Cannons
* Dual Tetryon Cannons
* Thoron Generator
* Anti-Proton Sweep
* Battle Cloak
* Hull Signature Masked
they only have 2 cannons 1 of em being dual making it actually worse dps wise not turrets or duals but 180' standart cannons prove to be best with fighters due to dum ai
i consider battle cloak a disadvantage since there are many reddit pages about it claiming fighters go into cloak in the middle of the battle and stay like that without engaging, (if changed into normal cloak ai may be more reliable)
hull sig is nice but according to old calculations it was about 1k not usual 4k stealth buff as it is passive, only allows them to get near as much as 8kms without detection, would love a 5km version
anti proton sweep is nice drain shield + anti cloak
thoron decent?
in the end i see them as more ability focused light frigates :d: and believe "dps" wise jem fighters with shield and armor pen ability would outperform since my carrier is sci carrier and it can do other stuff itself
really what is the reason of having sup frigates on sup sci carrier, carrier has no guns but all abilities, those frigates only stack what i did, also scattering field gives resistance, yet my carrier is full %60 resistances since i am supposed to sit tight and watch not attack
From what I can see when you have a build based around pets with all the best pet traits, all 3 Support Full Carrier’s can outperform any FDC from a pet DPS point of view. By a noticeable amount as well. Isn't that what Full Carriers should be about anyway? If you want the best pet damage you go full Carrier. If you want better main weapon energy damage with good but less pet DPS go FDC.
you wont notice much if you used basics
tho dont use squadrons i just reported their bug
normal fighters deal 1200 daamge per beam
elite squadrons deal 200
Hanger Pet tooltips are a complete miss and often show incorrect stats. The only way to be sure is to use them and do DPS combatlog runs. That's how I ended up dropping FDC and moving into Full Carriers. As I found out the Full Carrier work better for pet builds.
EDIT: I don't meant to sound like Elite Jems are rubbish's as they are not. Its just they are very much middle tier pets now.
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squadrons;
https://p14.zdusercontent.com/attachment/2110542/q1VdYRJnLNffMglMsvTqrlDlz?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..0FMI_p7Llu9dOb8_hZA8Jw.xyFWibLKFAhTpf43vEdZk1OS6Kfhbqj-r85GBnZz0Gn98rhi4R6jgtzSYwlQwdOMPWJ3u64voOhNvRFzIWK8H1Bf6ebN8mJvglFmOLascRxysA5k3pSOMw_cjgdVw200tX0by7N9gMrpzL69re4OQQCHeoEH_SM7bL-mD7Cg1NcEAmsPJpfFQTydOP-FVoKEgfK0eZlSdgM_zE1u22McNJZ0ymKsqkTdq-cUFtmI-gN_eyk_NWUSVCBC0QNksFQdWzhz889_53wFGHVHHEycxL25_jE2M0H091gReGBWQVk.yMbjVJm8C08tKY95BCrb7w
normals;
https://p14.zdusercontent.com/attachment/2110542/0em6xviCddzYJX9S6mj9oixdV?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..FGHxXhgMulcV0DVpfcTG8w.GAgOddjgqMEqXlBibrBV_tS5WJYnp26rACYT9Dd9PXUomzbaCxDOS53r1qala9YScWa-GJvjl3A1GWFaHWzT5YNjVpjBe-bOg0iGv_lmhx6nRWqN3V3t3h_xHcWcU7zJrgPTDIZ7BTWAN9ruQIPqzlfMFELvJDZ2JNZCWexiVYL5OUJBLCCPwkZl7SJRyRYTQU0K1TBrqbohgXv2WoDA1bOOVulyOrEjJOGmYrWNKJGkee96aR-N-Kgpdsz8azMcy_dYwEo9vb1zCtIljc2Wqy-ViMfQ4QqL_TJloraJykA.N-dWVQbOaShjQmCQMXMIdw
it is currently a known bug tho, even "elite" squadron fighters (if not all, jem hadars and peregrines as i tested) deal 6times lower dps than basic normal fighters. And they dont deal 6 times more hits to compensate for dealing 6 times less damage as shown by dps program
in the pictures 1 of my pets is elite jem squadron, the other normal basic jem fighter, yet normals dealt 6times more dps, of couse just a bug tho worth mentioning after spending 200k dilithium on 2 bays of fighters along with 80k fcredits
at least some desc fixes, like i spent 2 months believing my gunboats activate maneuver lambda yet it was actually overload3
and ai fixes, like when you give dock order to gunboats they dont dock at all, ever the just become real npcs that do their own things, dont switch to your current target and behave like actual bots in a TFO
elite jem fighter squadron 1 bay took 90 seconds to take down heavy distruptor platform on the picture
while normal basic jem fighter took only 15 secs
6 times difference
With the traits and equipment that boost hanger pets Elite Squadrons don't do 6 times lower dps. They do triple more DPS if anything. I only see something like 30k DPS out of Elite Jems. 60k ish DPS from Elite Jem Squadreons and 100k DPS for Elite Stalker Squads.
I am not unauthorized to view that picture but I assume if it takes 90seconds you are not using pet boosts. Try running the same test with pet boosts and the top end pets swap around.
full on pet build, my gunboats can do 3k normal 9k overload damage
normal jem fighters do 1.2k damage
elite squadrons do merely 200 250
and i did use boosts results did not change
it always takes 6 times more time with jem squadrns than normals, might be differnet case with others
besides pictures clearly shows the issue