About the only thing those non-KDF Orions cannot do is use Orion clothing (not an issue in the uptight Starfleet) or use Orion ships (the whole three of them, not much of a selection to worry about loosing).
My only real argument here is it is not an uptight Starfleet. They allow multitude of wrong uniforms and civilian wear. Some of it can get skimpy. And we can't say uptight because they won't allow swimsuits because no faction allows the swimsuits to be worn off Risa.
Personally I think the debate would end if the swimsuits were folded into the regular outfits. I just don't see it coming anytime soon.
Actually, by the uptight part I wasn't thinking so much of STO as of Star Trek itself. The show allowed several different uniforms at the same time, and a few semi-casual uniforms like Troi's on one hand, but on the other hand they were extreme sticklers about any kind of jewelry (like Ro Laren's earring) and anything but very understated makeup. STO goes way beyond what would be allowed in the setting of the shows (which is a good thing for a game btw, players would chafe at strict uniform codes).
Starfleet never would allow one of the Orion outfits despite it being for their health as much as it is for seduction (they would insist they use UV cabinets in their off duty time instead). And even if they did allow something that brief for medical reasons (and ignoring the fact that the few Orions in Starfleet shown in any of the shows were wearing the standard uniform) they would not allow the metal belts, cuffs, headdresses, and jewelry the KDF Orions wear. Not to mention the traditional stiletto daggers (though to be fair, the STO costumes do not have them either).
Lets be honest here you just want to play a half naked female character and run around in a bikini that's not on Risa on the Fed side which gets the most development.
I'll let you in on a little secret... ME TO
there are fed side toons running around in halter tops and some skimpy stuff already. and the small shorts. ive seen plenty. but um...yes. lol
I have set up one or two of these bikini top/small short outfits for my chars too. Silliness depends on usage. I'd not intentionally switch to that on a battle field; but when doing some (semi)peaceful research on NR if does kind of fit nicely in the scenery.
About the only thing those non-KDF Orions cannot do is use Orion clothing (not an issue in the uptight Starfleet) or use Orion ships (the whole three of them, not much of a selection to worry about loosing).
My only real argument here is it is not an uptight Starfleet. They allow multitude of wrong uniforms and civilian wear. Some of it can get skimpy. And we can't say uptight because they won't allow swimsuits because no faction allows the swimsuits to be worn off Risa.
Personally I think the debate would end if the swimsuits were folded into the regular outfits. I just don't see it coming anytime soon.
They don't allow it...the devs allow it for the players. If the game was realistic every Starfleet officer would be in the Odyssey uniform or maybe the new Alliance uniform
There is also nothing in the game as skimpy as the Orion uniform that is allowed in the open world...and that is why people want it. Have any of the Orions we saw in any universe dressed like the seductive Orions? Only Orion we saw in skimpy clothes was the one Kirk just bedded in the Kelvin timeline.
Every Fed aligned Orion has been dressed like a normal person and appeared to have a sweet and sometimes bubbly attitude...nothing like the typical Orion woman. But lets be honest, most people don't want that kind of Orion...they just want to be that shady skimpy Orion just on Fed side since they get most of the attention.
People can easily make a Orion in the alien creator but they don't want that because they don't have the Orion apparel
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Deana Troy wore a nigh see through babydoll in Star Trek the Next Generation S06e03.
Uptight?
And there are other examples out there, this is mere one of them.
Took this example as she is the ships councillor, thus a member and officer in Star Fleet.
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
We can't have a epidemic of new Federation Captains with that genetic disease causing crooked hips that sway to and fro.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Lets be honest here you just want to play a half naked female character and run around in a bikini that's not on Risa on the Fed side which gets the most development.
I'll let you in on a little secret... ME TO
there are fed side toons running around in halter tops and some skimpy stuff already. and the small shorts. ive seen plenty. but um...yes. lol
Honestly I want humans joining the KDF. If you look at groups like the marquis and the history of almost continuous wars I believe a number of humans may decide to stop giving peace a chance and join a culture whose nature is better suited to deal with the true state of affairs.
Violence and other non-peaceful emotions are a large base of the Uu-Maan species.
So yes, it could be very well, some Uu-Maans joined the Klinks.
Or... tried to...
Uu-Maans are very tender, pathetically weak, with no sense of honour!
(spoken from a general Klink perspective.)
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
Honestly I want humans joining the KDF. If you look at groups like the marquis and the history of almost continuous wars I believe a number of humans may decide to stop giving peace a chance and join a culture whose nature is better suited to deal with the true state of affairs.
the Marquis are dead but I feel that non Fed aligned humans would have join the Republic after Federation's TRIBBLE behavior regarding the abandonment of the Romulan refugees in 2385, the Romulans are a warp capable species and formally asked for Starfleet's aid, Starfleet then decided to ignore their own prime directive "Not helping a society escape a natural disaster known to the the society, even if inaction would result in a society's extinction, unless The society had warp technology and had formally requested aid" to avoid offending 14 species who's options don't matter, the Vulcans were clearly pushing for reunitfication and so were some humans like Picard.
Deana Troy wore a nigh see through babydoll in Star Trek the Next Generation S06e03.
Uptight?
And there are other examples out there, this is mere one of them.
Took this example as she is the ships councillor, thus a member and officer in Star Fleet.
You mean the outfit she wore off duty in her cabin to entertain a guest? Starfleet is very uptight about on-duty uniforms but they certainly don't dictate what people can wear (or not wear) in their own cabins. Troi's duty outfits are as revealing as they get, and the fact that she is considered semi-civilian because of her position could be part of why she can wear even those.
Honestly I want humans joining the KDF. If you look at groups like the marquis and the history of almost continuous wars I believe a number of humans may decide to stop giving peace a chance and join a culture whose nature is better suited to deal with the true state of affairs.
Playing around with a Human KDF using the alien template. Basicly comes from a small colony of mirror universe Humans who's ship came through, took one look at the Federation and decided to join the Klingon empire instead.
Deana Troy wore a nigh see through babydoll in Star Trek the Next Generation S06e03.
Uptight?
And there are other examples out there, this is mere one of them.
Took this example as she is the ships councillor, thus a member and officer in Star Fleet.
You mean the outfit she wore off duty in her cabin to entertain a guest? Starfleet is very uptight about on-duty uniforms but they certainly don't dictate what people can wear (or not wear) in their own cabins. Troi's duty outfits are as revealing as they get, and the fact that she is considered semi-civilian because of her position could be part of why she can wear even those.
Even her uniform is not quite uniform!
Compare her outfit to any other female uniform.
OK, she is semi-civilian, still, she has a lot of leeway.
But I was not addressing the uniforms, however, Starfleet's uptightness...
The creators were not too shy to put in some "questionable" clothing here and there in the series.
"Questionable" yes, seeing how prudish the US is.
One can blow someone's head of, with a close off the brain matter splatting around, but my god if you show a tad too much skin.
It is even more interesting seeing it is a family series.
Well done, filmmakers, well done.
At least also a bit of reality in that regard.
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
Am I the only one who saw that TNG episode in which an Admiral took command of the Enterprise and one of the first things he did was telling Diana to get in uniform?
Captains do can have some freedom on how the uniform code is upheld and Picards reasoning for Troy was simply "she can since as a Counselor it helps people feel more at ease = helps her perform in her job better".
They don't allow it...the devs allow it for the players. If the game was realistic every Starfleet officer would be in the Odyssey uniform or maybe the new Alliance uniform
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This is spot on.
Although in case of the skimpy dressed Starfleet Orion boffs defense we have we are technically talking about exchange officers so traditional garb makes sense. But a regular Federation joined Orion species as a whole would just like all the others have the normal Starfleet uniform options.
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In this Starfleet Orion theory I could envision Orion garb for a Starfleet player character but restricted to the off-duty outfit so that Starfleet boffs would still be restricted to regular uniforms. KDF would still be as it is.
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Actually, by the uptight part I wasn't thinking so much of STO as of Star Trek itself. The show allowed several different uniforms at the same time, and a few semi-casual uniforms like Troi's on one hand, but on the other hand they were extreme sticklers about any kind of jewelry (like Ro Laren's earring) and anything but very understated makeup. STO goes way beyond what would be allowed in the setting of the shows (which is a good thing for a game btw, players would chafe at strict uniform codes).
Starfleet never would allow one of the Orion outfits despite it being for their health as much as it is for seduction (they would insist they use UV cabinets in their off duty time instead). And even if they did allow something that brief for medical reasons (and ignoring the fact that the few Orions in Starfleet shown in any of the shows were wearing the standard uniform) they would not allow the metal belts, cuffs, headdresses, and jewelry the KDF Orions wear. Not to mention the traditional stiletto daggers (though to be fair, the STO costumes do not have them either).
I have set up one or two of these bikini top/small short outfits for my chars too. Silliness depends on usage. I'd not intentionally switch to that on a battle field; but when doing some (semi)peaceful research on NR if does kind of fit nicely in the scenery.
They don't allow it...the devs allow it for the players. If the game was realistic every Starfleet officer would be in the Odyssey uniform or maybe the new Alliance uniform
There is also nothing in the game as skimpy as the Orion uniform that is allowed in the open world...and that is why people want it. Have any of the Orions we saw in any universe dressed like the seductive Orions? Only Orion we saw in skimpy clothes was the one Kirk just bedded in the Kelvin timeline.
Every Fed aligned Orion has been dressed like a normal person and appeared to have a sweet and sometimes bubbly attitude...nothing like the typical Orion woman. But lets be honest, most people don't want that kind of Orion...they just want to be that shady skimpy Orion just on Fed side since they get most of the attention.
People can easily make a Orion in the alien creator but they don't want that because they don't have the Orion apparel
Uptight?
And there are other examples out there, this is mere one of them.
Took this example as she is the ships councillor, thus a member and officer in Star Fleet.
They just get less sober.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Me, too.
So yes, it could be very well, some Uu-Maans joined the Klinks.
Or... tried to...
Uu-Maans are very tender, pathetically weak, with no sense of honour!
(spoken from a general Klink perspective.)
They just get less sober.
You mean the outfit she wore off duty in her cabin to entertain a guest? Starfleet is very uptight about on-duty uniforms but they certainly don't dictate what people can wear (or not wear) in their own cabins. Troi's duty outfits are as revealing as they get, and the fact that she is considered semi-civilian because of her position could be part of why she can wear even those.
Playing around with a Human KDF using the alien template. Basicly comes from a small colony of mirror universe Humans who's ship came through, took one look at the Federation and decided to join the Klingon empire instead.
Compare her outfit to any other female uniform.
OK, she is semi-civilian, still, she has a lot of leeway.
But I was not addressing the uniforms, however, Starfleet's uptightness...
The creators were not too shy to put in some "questionable" clothing here and there in the series.
"Questionable" yes, seeing how prudish the US is.
One can blow someone's head of, with a close off the brain matter splatting around, but my god if you show a tad too much skin.
It is even more interesting seeing it is a family series.
Well done, filmmakers, well done.
At least also a bit of reality in that regard.
They just get less sober.
Captains do can have some freedom on how the uniform code is upheld and Picards reasoning for Troy was simply "she can since as a Counselor it helps people feel more at ease = helps her perform in her job better".
This is spot on.
Although in case of the skimpy dressed Starfleet Orion boffs defense we have we are technically talking about exchange officers so traditional garb makes sense. But a regular Federation joined Orion species as a whole would just like all the others have the normal Starfleet uniform options.
edit
In this Starfleet Orion theory I could envision Orion garb for a Starfleet player character but restricted to the off-duty outfit so that Starfleet boffs would still be restricted to regular uniforms. KDF would still be as it is.