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Klingons at a disadvantage?
fallenkezef
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I came to this game very recently, just over a week ago. I forked out for the Klingon starter pack (very happy with the Kor BoP). Ended up with some exp boosters on the promo slot, still not sure where they came from and dinged 65 yesterday 
I did a fed toon at first that lasted a day before I went Klingon. I prefer Klingons and the customisation for Klingon uniforms is insanely fun. All missions work for both, Klingons have an excellent ship selection except it seems for science ships). Freebies asie, why do people say Klingons are at a disadvantage in the game?
I am genuinely curious as I don't want to have wasted time and effort but I can not see how Klingons are worse off. In fact it seems the Klingons get the best in terms of aesthetics in terms of uniforms, ships and even the regions (first city and the klingon fleet base look soooo much better).
I did a fed toon at first that lasted a day before I went Klingon. I prefer Klingons and the customisation for Klingon uniforms is insanely fun. All missions work for both, Klingons have an excellent ship selection except it seems for science ships). Freebies asie, why do people say Klingons are at a disadvantage in the game?
I am genuinely curious as I don't want to have wasted time and effort but I can not see how Klingons are worse off. In fact it seems the Klingons get the best in terms of aesthetics in terms of uniforms, ships and even the regions (first city and the klingon fleet base look soooo much better).
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Some KDF players look at the Federation players getting more new ships as being unfair, but that ignores the dozens of existing ships to choose from. And that 70+% of captains created are Federation captains. Federation player put more money into the game so they get more new ships.
I have 4 KDF captains, 3 Romulan-KDF, 3 Jem'Hadar-KDF. I don't feel like I'm lacking in choices for ships or in content even if my Fed captains have more choices.
One thing that jars me about Feds, both normal and discovery (also something that pissed me off about the movie reboot) is how a cadet gets a ship command. There is no way a freaking cadet would EVER get a cruiser command. Maybe, just maybe, they could get brevet command of a frigate/non combat vessel. Most likely he'd get a full commission and assigned to a combat vessel as a junior officer. There is no way any sensible military would pass over eligible, commissioned officers to put a raw cadet in command of a combat vessel, no matter how well they did on a first mission.
The Klingon one makes sense as you start as a 3rd officer and the tutorial has a logical progression and the Romulan one makes sense as you are basicly joining a rebellion as a private citizen owning your own ship and proving yourself in that way.
The fed starts shatter immersion for me.
I agree, choice does not equal quality. Going through the specs of the Fed ships, there seems to be allot of essentialy re-skinned clones with some minor swapping of console slots tbh.
I've also read alliance as just that, it's not the first time Klingons and Feds have come out of a war against each other straight into an alliance, DS9 is a perfect example of this. Some of the missions are clearly written from a Fed perspective with Klingons thrown in but I can live with that.
It just does not make sense for the Klingons to be at war with Feds with the Iconians, Hur'q, Borg and Undine running around so the whole alliance thing makes perfect sense.
It can be hand-waved for modern / 2409 captains that because we are at war with the Klingons enough officers have died that there is now a shortage of candidates. Hmm, I guess that applies to Discovery captains too, the war losses were pretty bad in season 1 of the show.
I agree that the KDF and Romulan promotions are more plausible though.
KDF also has the 2nd largest amount of 'unique' missions next to Roms, with 2409 Feds having far, far fewer. Only JH has fewer.
For example, the Prime universe Kirk graduated the basic program and was assigned to USS Republic as an ensign, worked his way up to lieutenant JG and when he was ready for another promotion he was rotated back to the academy for the Command Training Program, then when he graduated that he was posted to USS Farragut as a full lieutenant.
Prime Kirk already had several years of distinguished service in the field before going to CTP in Prime which makes a lot more sense than the impression the Kelvin timeline stuff gives. And his getting command of a heavy cruiser at 32 was a notable feat, a record that remained unbroken until Picard did it at 28. Kelvin universe Kirk getting Enterprise even earlier was just ridiculous.
Anyway, the STO Fed start actually makes sense. The player character is in CTP, not the basic program, and goes for a short deployment on a cadet ship as a final test before graduation. Then, like Savik, an unexpected attack crops up and in this case the player character ends up in command and does well enough that Starfleet, strapped as it is for ships and crews, leaves them there and presses the ship into active service which is not too much of a stretch.
As for the actual subject of the thread, the Klingons have some good advantages, like for instance the price-fixing bots that constantly jack up the price of boffs and whatnot to inflated pre-set price points seem to ignore Klingon and Romulan boffs so they often go for a third of the cost for the equivalent Fed ones. Also, they seem to have some advantages in getting certain consoles and whatnot for less than the Feds do, and in more lucrative versions of doff missions.
If your looking for new things to do, like new ships to spice up your gameplay, new outfits to try out than your much better off playing Federation as the stuff rolls out for them much more consistently than they do for KDF.
There's just less on the Klingon side, they still get more stuff than the Romulans and Jem'Hadar but thats not really saying much.. A good example is Discovery content all the Federation ships come with Discovery era skins and 2410 skins to look current... Klingon ships don't. Discovery and TOS had Federation mini factions... Klingons didn't.
As for the content it is "Alliance" based yeah and its true most games DO run into this streamed content at some point (and people complain in those games too), but it is very Federation in nature, the way the people interact with you, the things you generally do are Federation choices. It's a gameplay experience that if your actually following the content makes much more sense when your playing a Starfleet captain. As for but you blow up everything.. yeah it's an MMO that's what you do in a game blow stuff up..
One thing I'll point out is that every game is pretty awesome when your new to it and it's hard to see why people complain.. because you haven't been playing it for years like a lot of them have to see the larger issues at play. I had the same experience with Black Desert I thought it was an amazing game and how could people say it was bad? Combat was great, visuals where awesome... than oooooooh hit lvl 50 and everyone is in a single zone grinding in open world pvp. but the only reason to play that game was for pvp cause there was no pve at max level.... yeah than I got it and dropped it pretty quick after..
Yea, that was one of several things that irked me about the Kelvin stuff.
The other issue is of course the ships. Feds have 30 different varieties of cruiser, and Klingons do not have all their battle cruisers represented at tier 6. But back in the day, the ship lines were different. Fed cruisers with a few exceptions were never able to equip DHCs, but KDF were. KDF also had the only carriers. Now just about every new Fed design can use DHCs, and carriers are everywhere while the early KDF carriers are still totally unavailable at tier 6.
The only advantage KDF has is on admiralty they can get a lot more contraband but its price has plummeted over the course of a year of dropping in price(and in demand). Another thing is, on my opinion, our ships got a better looking shape even if the skins are far less texture quality, as they are made to look more aerodynamic and aggressive - but again this a personal opinion and it depends heavily on personal taste.
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Notice for example how this most recent pack for anniversary is aimed only for Federation. Bottom line is I like KDF and staying there but I know the disadvantages. If they get worse I will probably move on to other games, and not to Federation toons. You can make your choice depending what you like
I wouldn't say WoW gave up on it, sure they quest in the same zones but each faction has it's own unique story lines
Then the Dysons came out Feb 2014. Later that year, Sep 2014, Delta Rising pack came out, to give KDF & Romulans a whole Zero T6 science vessels. It would be more two years of waiting, Nov 2016, for the first T6 KDF & Rom C-Store/fleet science vessels, Naj’sov & Laeosa.
Fast forward to last year, where Romulans were mostly ignored as the packs were Fed-KDF, and that trend it seems is continuing.
Roms still have zero faction-specific C-Store T6 carriers, and KDF have none whatsoever.
Add Jem'Hadar, who have zero science vessels of any kind, and just one warship in a recent release.
Another point to consider, KDF and even KDF-aligned have it much harder to obtain faction-specific stuff, since there's less supply on the exchange and high demand.
Agreed on WoW and on SWTOR the storyline does recognise if you are on dark side for example
You also have to pay for every C-Store ship, so completist will find the Federation faction to be quite expensive.
As a new player, I wouldn't worry about it much. You should keep your expenditures to a minimum.
And I absolutely think that if you play this game long-term, you owe it yourself to play every faction at least once.
Never again will we have some new mission as cool as beaming over to a Starfleet vessel, carve through the crew, and beat the ever living hell out of the Starfleet captain to get some secret information. Then use the information and raid into the deepest heart of the Federation sowing chaos.
None of that happens anymore. Nothing cool like that. The new missions since LOR are really Federation missions. They just replace some key words, throwing in an occasional "Empire" or "Qaplah!" then BAM! Instant KDF flavor! Romulans are even worse. In STO they're shown as essentially Federation characters and none of the flavor from the past TV shows and movies are there.
KDF ship selection isn't like the pampered Feds who are overflowing in choice. Not only in choice, but ship customization. Starfleet ships get the attention of extra parts to customize to their heart's desire. Non-Starfleet ships? You're lucky to just have a ship to begin with.
Say, when was the last set of KDF, Romulan uniforms?
Romulans? Sorry bro, you're worse off than KDF and Cryptic has severely cut back on new Warbirds. The Roms are right now enduring what KDF had to deal with years ago. There was something like a 2 year span where KDF had no new ships.
Exchange is where it can be hit or miss with the KDF. Cheap Plasmonic Leech access used to be a perk for the KDF but not anymore. Anybody can get it easily now regardless of faction. Sometimes cross-faction trait or console boxes work out in favor for KDF because we can get the trait / console box instead of having to buy a lobi ship or something. But sometimes it doesn't, i.e. Ceaseless Momentum for KDF requires getting an expensive ship. The other thing with the exchange is it can get expensive for KDF if the item in question is KDF specific, but the supply is low, and so the items are being sold at a high price. If fewer people play KDF, then fewer boxes are being opened as KDF. So the supply on faction specific items from boxes can be low for us.
Sure it is, my Rom Engi is in a fleet Ha'apax, I'd like to use a full MW ship like the Gagarin but Cryptic didn't feel the Romulans needed their own version of that ship. I'd consider that a drawback.
If I wanted any of the ships that came out in the last almost 2 years now there isn't a Romulan version of them so sorry just SOL cause Cryptic doesn't think I'm worth providing stuff for me to buy anymore.. that's a drawback.
and isnt that just a great message? "sorry your not worth our time anymore", but they have the time to reskin all the Discovery ships instead of designing a Romulan version so we're not left in the dust
Game gets stale in my Morrigu
I'd really like to be able to do that with my Qugh MW, I hate the look but otherwise it's a decent ship - https://sto.gamepedia.com/Qugh_Miracle_Worker_Battlecruiser
Technically the anniversary pack doesn't count since it is all hero ships from the various Treks, not just popular ones, and there has never been any canon or quasi-canon Trek that centered on anything other than a Fed ship. That is on CBS and Paramount, not Cryptic.
Oddly enough, if TOS was not cut short the fourth season was going to move into a sort of parellel format with Enterprise and Gr'oth competing against each other in the neutral zone in the usual cold war stuff ("The Trouble With Tribbles" was a test of the concept) but often standing together against outside threats which would have technically made Gr'oth a sort of hero ship too. There were even plans being drawn up for a permanent Klingon set (or at least a modification to the Enterprise set to quickly switch between the two if they could not build the whole thing in budget). I suppose that kind of gray political difference based instead of clearly deliniated good vs evil stuff probably did not sit well with the network so it may have been a factor in Star Trek being cancelled though.
I run mainly Romulan characters, though I have some Fed and KDF too (though all my KDF except one are Orion (the exception is 23rd century Klingon made with the "alien" option), and they are even more limited in ships than the Klingons), and I even have one gamma recruit though it is impossible to get into the thing's head so I just use the ship for farming and don't use the toad for any ground (actually, not even that anymore), so I know first hand about the "Fed-centric" problems.
It is even more annoying for Dominion since the only way to get a Vorta or other non-Jem'Hadar race is to use one of the other factions to generate it, and the mechanics of the Dominion ships are such that all but one has to be unlocked by a horneytoad before anyone else can use at, so in effect they only have ONE ship and that one ship has been stuck in the "new" tab for a long time so it is unavailable for use with the coupon for the foreseeable future.
To be fair, the newer episodes do try to differentiate in key dialog more than the older universal stuff did, though it is not always an improvement since the KDF dialog is Klingon-appropriate which is not so great for Orions (or probably Gorn either for that matter).
I'm getting sick of being told that. It's not called a "hero" pack. It's called an anniversary pack. You know, of the game that has multiple factions. Change the name of it to "Federation Hero" if that's what it's going to be.
In that same period of movies we've gotten for the feddies:
the Consisution Class, the Miranda Class, the exclesior class, the Ambassador Class, the Galaxy Class, the Constellation class, The Intrepid Class, the Nova Class, the Soverign class, the Sabre class, the Akira, the steamrunner, the Norway,the Promethus and I'm not even counting the kitbashes built for the Worf 359 graveyard scene, even though some of the better looking kitbashes have ended up in game (Cheynne and New Orleans that I can think of off the top of my head)
So thats 14 ships. and as I said, you could with the wolf 359 scene pad that a bit more.
this means cryptic has a lot more information about feddy ships then Klingon ships. A LOT of the time what happens is cryptic releases a federation ship based on one that appered breifly in one episode of trek, and has to then create an entirely new Klingon and romulan design. which means proably a bit more creativity work on their part then the UFP counterpart. All for ships that won't sell as well
No, it's called a 10th Anniversary Legendary Starship Bundle. By Legendary they mean hero ships.
You're ignoring their own definition: "In celebration of our tenth anniversary, Star Trek Online is releasing one of the biggest bundles we've ever put out. Ten of the most iconic ships in Star Trek history, "
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11355993-10th-anniversary-legendary-starship-bundles
It is not misleading. Star Trek TV shows revolve around the Federation not the Klingon, Romulan, etc. Empires. Also before Magic: Legends launched, this anniversary update was going to be called Star Trek: Legends. Finally, when the term legendary is used in regards to Star Trek it tends to refer to the Federation's captains of yore and the present and the ships that they commanded.
> Legendary in an MMO can mean ANYTHING. Can simply mean stats, consoles, traits, skins, whatever. In short, something that differentiates it from normal gear/ships (in this instance). My point still stands that for an anniversary bundle, it's very misleading.
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While it CAN mean anything in any MMO, in THIS case for THIS MMO, it's referring to legendary starships from Star Trek. And any bundle offered at this time could be referred to as an anniversary bundle, so there's nothing misleading about it. It just so happens that the anniversary bundle being offered is of legendary ships from various series/movies. That you're not happy with the ships chosen doesn't make it any less true.
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If I am not wrong JH after the end of ViL got one single ship only, the one that had 4 temporal warships one from each faction. Its absurd how quickly they pushed them aside too.
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
"I didn't mean to say that the Klingons should be hauling garbage, I meant to say they should be hauled away AS garbage."