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Fek'lhri ships are now cross-faction. It's time to pull the trigger and make the Kar'Fi cross-faction as well.
Well then.. if that's the case, when will ALL FED ships become cross-faction and KDF players gain access and be able to to pilot ALL FED and Romie ships as well ??
Kar'Fi, to some folks is as unique as the Big E, in any variant. So IMHO, pull one factions only "unique" ship and make it cross-faction, then that logic should apply to ALL ships in the game.
The Kar'Fi is not the KDF's only "unique" ship. It only makes sense to make the Kar'Fi cross-faction, since the rest of the Fek'lhri ships are cross-faction. And I've suggested that only one KDF ship be made cross-faction, not the entire inventory, so your "ALL FED ships become cross-faction" is ridiculous overkill. I swear, you internet extremists these days.
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The Kar'Fi is not the KDF's only "unique" ship. It only makes sense to make the Kar'Fi cross-faction, since the rest of the Fek'lhri ships are cross-faction. And I've suggested that only one KDF ship be made cross-faction, not the entire inventory, so your "ALL FED ships become cross-faction" is ridiculous overkill. I swear, you internet extremists these days.
I feel like we might wind up with a T6 Karfi if they do make it cross faction. It would be the best opportunity for them to sell a T6 one if they also announced it would be becoming cross faction.
^I agree. And I wouldn't mind seeing a T6 cross-faction Atrox (w/ Ferasan skin option) offered up along with it.
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The lack of Fekirhi console synergy with existing ones doesn't surprise me. The newer Gorn T6 Science Vessels have no synergy with the older Veranus Repair Platform console, etc. This is nothing new.
The lack of Fekirhi console synergy with existing ones doesn't surprise me. The newer Gorn T6 Science Vessels have no synergy with the older Veranus Repair Platform console, etc. This is nothing new.
Well the Varanus is an entirely unrelated ship to the multi-mission ones.
The Kar'Fi is not the KDF's only "unique" ship. It only makes sense to make the Kar'Fi cross-faction, since the rest of the Fek'lhri ships are cross-faction. And I've suggested that only one KDF ship be made cross-faction, not the entire inventory, so your "ALL FED ships become cross-faction" is ridiculous overkill. I swear, you internet extremists these days.
You're only asking for the Kar'fi, others are asking to destroy the KDF/Roms/JH. Neither is a good option.
To try and lay this out without a tiring amount of quoting:
Taking away the unique ship lineup of a faction destroys the faction. Why play KDF if you can use all their ships on a FED? Or why play KDF if you can use the ships you want on a FED?
If you want to play the Kar'fi you can! Just roll up a KDF! From the wiki description, which I am fairly sure is taken from something in game, I'll have to check later:
A large battleship utilized by the Fek'Ihri Horde, the Kar'Fi class shares many of design stylings visible on the other Fek'Ihri vessels; therefore, it doesn't look even remotely similar to standard Klingon designs. Vessels of this class have been captured by KDF officers and retrofitted to serve the Empire.
So be a KDF, fight the Fek'ihri, take their biggest ship (it was their biggest ship for many years) and make it your own! Isn't that more fun than 'I want what they have! *Waves $20*'
Again, if you want the ship, you can already have it. If you haven't bought it for your KDF characters, you're not actually interested in the ship. You're not going to sell more of them because they are already for sale for anyone who wants them.
What you would do, instead, is TRIBBLE off a lot of KDF players (most I assume also play FEDs) by making the Kar'fi a fully cross faction ship. How much $$ would they no longer spend to punish the devs for such a decision? How much $$ would they actually gain from such a change? This ship is from 2010 and if you haven't bought it yet, you don't actually care about it. Hell, you don't even have to buy it, as you can apparently pick it up for free with the token you get at 61 (or whenever it is.)
I think it goes without saying that such a move would be grossly unfair, and would require some sort of reciprocal move to make it fair.
If we go by the fact that the Kar'fi is captured and thus anyone should be able to capture it, then any ship that fills that criteria should similarly be cross faction. All alternate universe ships, for example, most of which are faction locked right now should therefore be cross faction ships. MU ships, Kelvin ships, etc. should all be available to Feds and KDF equally. That would be fully consistent and measurably fair, not that I like the idea, as again, it detracts from the uniqueness of the factions, but if you want to make that argument, then this is how you should do it to be fair about it.
The other problem with event Fek'ihri ships is that these are Q's doing. There's no particular reason to believe they are actual Fek'ihri ships, as I don't think we have ever seen either of the event ships before the events. They are Fek'ihri themed, but granted by Q as you jump through his hoops and skate on his ice. Gingerbread men aren't real in Star Trek, the ones we interact with are purely a Q creation. The Kar'fi is not Q's doing, and has been part of the KDF Fek'ihri missions since they were implemented.
Now, destroying the factions and making them all one giant blob is an even worse idea, and one I'm fairly certain CBS would have a problem with. Games require people to make decisions. There are rules, however arbitrary, that are to be followed to make it fun, flavorful, and so on. The KDF has certain types of ships in their ranks. The FEDs have certain types of ships in their ranks. Their unique missions have different flavors and themes. It fits the IP and lore this game is built on. Genericiding the factions by making it all one big blob is not likely to be good for the IP, CBS, or the longevity of the game.
And again, you already can play any ship you want. You just have to roll the appropriate character.
The lack of Fekirhi console synergy with existing ones doesn't surprise me. The newer Gorn T6 Science Vessels have no synergy with the older Veranus Repair Platform console, etc. This is nothing new.
Well the Varanus is an entirely unrelated ship to the multi-mission ones.
Yes, we went from a Gorn Science Vessel to a new set of Gorn Science Vessels.
Ground breakingly NEW and not related to each other!
Actually the Kar'fi is a science ship while the Fe'rang is a tactical ship.
Not completly true - it does have 4 science consoles and commander science BOFF seat, but it does NOT have subsystem targeting, which for me is a "must have" on science ship (and most other carriers have it).
Edit:
Also, with turn rate 8 it was the only one carrier (I think), that it was practical to equip DHC.
Actually the Kar'fi is a science ship while the Fe'rang is a tactical ship.
Not completly true - it does have 4 science consoles and commander science BOFF seat, but it does NOT have subsystem targeting, which for me is a "must have" on science ship (and most other carriers have it).
Edit:
Also, with turn rate 8 it was the only one carrier (I think), that it was practical to equip DHC.
Yes, a t6 Kar'Fi with those additions would be pretty boss. Somewhat recently I noticed a Kar'Fi flying around with half its hull invisible, so I guess there's still that, too. I unfortunately wasn't around last winter event to even flag the S'torr event and I don't see it in the phoenix store. It would be great to get one as it's the ONLY event ship that I really would have ever wanted for something besides trait unlock and card.
Actually the Kar'fi is a science ship while the Fe'rang is a tactical ship.
Not completly true - it does have 4 science consoles and commander science BOFF seat, but it does NOT have subsystem targeting, which for me is a "must have" on science ship (and most other carriers have it).
Edit:
Also, with turn rate 8 it was the only one carrier (I think), that it was practical to equip DHC.
Science carriers don't usually get all the perks from usual science ships, but it's still primarily a science based ship.
I couldn't guess why the two event consoles don't come as a set, but the reason the Kar'fi is not included is almost certainly because it's not available to Feds.
It's because Cryptic tends to fast-gloss over any details that aren't visual. Sometimes they can't get that right either. And we can't have the Feds missing out on anything, despite precedent of it happening for the KDF(no set bonus for the Vor'cha ship consoles, no set bonus to include the Quad Disruptor Cannons as a couple of examples).
Did similar to the Romulans too at least once or twice...Hathos Warbird console doesn't connect with Dhelan or Dhael Warbird set.
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I couldn't guess why the two event consoles don't come as a set, but the reason the Kar'fi is not included is almost certainly because it's not available to Feds.
It's because Cryptic tends to fast-gloss over any details that aren't visual. Sometimes they can't get that right either. And we can't have the Feds missing out on anything, despite precedent of it happening for the KDF(no set bonus for the Vor'cha ship consoles, no set bonus to include the Quad Disruptor Cannons as a couple of examples).
Did similar to the Romulans too at least once or twice...Hathos Warbird console doesn't connect with Dhelan or Dhael Warbird set.
Well... Hathos is a mini-Scimitar, not a Dhelan or Dhael
I couldn't guess why the two event consoles don't come as a set, but the reason the Kar'fi is not included is almost certainly because it's not available to Feds.
It's because Cryptic tends to fast-gloss over any details that aren't visual. Sometimes they can't get that right either. And we can't have the Feds missing out on anything, despite precedent of it happening for the KDF(no set bonus for the Vor'cha ship consoles, no set bonus to include the Quad Disruptor Cannons as a couple of examples).
Did similar to the Romulans too at least once or twice...Hathos Warbird console doesn't connect with Dhelan or Dhael Warbird set.
Well... Hathos is a mini-Scimitar, not a Dhelan or Dhael
It may be a Reman template with the Scimitar materials but it can be customized with the Dhelan and Dhael templates.
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They can ultimately do whatever they want with console sets. It doesn't need to make sense.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
You also have the odd case of the Defiants and the Galaxy X. The cloak console works for two different sets, and while the quad cannons from the Defiant line can go onto the Galaxy X, the third console in that set can't, and the Defiants can't use the Supplemental Subsystems console to make the other set from the cloak console.
i don't think they can - aslan is very likely copywritten to...who owns the narnia stuff, anyway?
besides, i would think cryptic would just use a class name in a similar vein to atrox and shikaris...whatever either of those terms mean, and if they're even related to each other, i have no idea
edit: oh, apparently 'atrox' is latin for 'savage' and 'shikaris is...hindi, i think? for 'hunter' (the atrox page on gamepedia had the meaning on the page, but the shikaris one didn't, so i decided to plug the word into google translate and see if it had anything on it, which is why i said i THINK the word is hindi - google's okay, but it don't beat a real translator)
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Aslan is of Turkic origin and literally means lion, so not exactly copyright protected.
As you said, shikaris (plural of shikari) is Urdu/Hindi for hunter.
Atrox is Latin for cruel, fierce, savage, and is part of the Latin name for the extinct American lion (Panthera atrox).
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They can ultimately do whatever they want with console sets. It doesn't need to make sense.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
The deciding factor in both still seems to be whether the Fed version has a potential set or not.
They can ultimately do whatever they want with console sets. It doesn't need to make sense.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
The deciding factor in both still seems to be whether the Fed version has a potential set or not.
Yeah.....if the Feds don't get a set bonus then the others aren't going to get one probably.
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They can ultimately do whatever they want with console sets. It doesn't need to make sense.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
The deciding factor in both still seems to be whether the Fed version has a potential set or not.
I would not draw that conclusion from so few examples, but I sadly would not be surprised that they wouldn't put in minimal effort to create a unique set for other factions.
They can ultimately do whatever they want with console sets. It doesn't need to make sense.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
The deciding factor in both still seems to be whether the Fed version has a potential set or not.
I would not draw that conclusion from so few examples, but I sadly would not be surprised that they wouldn't put in minimal effort to create a unique set for other factions.
It's not just a few examples, it's a history that goes back as far as the game does...that Feds get preferential treatment and the other factions typically get the shaft.
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Well then.. if that's the case, when will ALL FED ships become cross-faction and KDF players gain access and be able to to pilot ALL FED and Romie ships as well ??
Kar'Fi, to some folks is as unique as the Big E, in any variant. So IMHO, pull one factions only "unique" ship and make it cross-faction, then that logic should apply to ALL ships in the game.
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The Kar'Fi is not the KDF's only "unique" ship. It only makes sense to make the Kar'Fi cross-faction, since the rest of the Fek'lhri ships are cross-faction. And I've suggested that only one KDF ship be made cross-faction, not the entire inventory, so your "ALL FED ships become cross-faction" is ridiculous overkill. I swear, you internet extremists these days.
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I feel like we might wind up with a T6 Karfi if they do make it cross faction. It would be the best opportunity for them to sell a T6 one if they also announced it would be becoming cross faction.
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You're only asking for the Kar'fi, others are asking to destroy the KDF/Roms/JH. Neither is a good option.
To try and lay this out without a tiring amount of quoting:
Taking away the unique ship lineup of a faction destroys the faction. Why play KDF if you can use all their ships on a FED? Or why play KDF if you can use the ships you want on a FED?
If you want to play the Kar'fi you can! Just roll up a KDF! From the wiki description, which I am fairly sure is taken from something in game, I'll have to check later:
So be a KDF, fight the Fek'ihri, take their biggest ship (it was their biggest ship for many years) and make it your own! Isn't that more fun than 'I want what they have! *Waves $20*'
Again, if you want the ship, you can already have it. If you haven't bought it for your KDF characters, you're not actually interested in the ship. You're not going to sell more of them because they are already for sale for anyone who wants them.
What you would do, instead, is TRIBBLE off a lot of KDF players (most I assume also play FEDs) by making the Kar'fi a fully cross faction ship. How much $$ would they no longer spend to punish the devs for such a decision? How much $$ would they actually gain from such a change? This ship is from 2010 and if you haven't bought it yet, you don't actually care about it. Hell, you don't even have to buy it, as you can apparently pick it up for free with the token you get at 61 (or whenever it is.)
I think it goes without saying that such a move would be grossly unfair, and would require some sort of reciprocal move to make it fair.
If we go by the fact that the Kar'fi is captured and thus anyone should be able to capture it, then any ship that fills that criteria should similarly be cross faction. All alternate universe ships, for example, most of which are faction locked right now should therefore be cross faction ships. MU ships, Kelvin ships, etc. should all be available to Feds and KDF equally. That would be fully consistent and measurably fair, not that I like the idea, as again, it detracts from the uniqueness of the factions, but if you want to make that argument, then this is how you should do it to be fair about it.
The other problem with event Fek'ihri ships is that these are Q's doing. There's no particular reason to believe they are actual Fek'ihri ships, as I don't think we have ever seen either of the event ships before the events. They are Fek'ihri themed, but granted by Q as you jump through his hoops and skate on his ice. Gingerbread men aren't real in Star Trek, the ones we interact with are purely a Q creation. The Kar'fi is not Q's doing, and has been part of the KDF Fek'ihri missions since they were implemented.
Now, destroying the factions and making them all one giant blob is an even worse idea, and one I'm fairly certain CBS would have a problem with. Games require people to make decisions. There are rules, however arbitrary, that are to be followed to make it fun, flavorful, and so on. The KDF has certain types of ships in their ranks. The FEDs have certain types of ships in their ranks. Their unique missions have different flavors and themes. It fits the IP and lore this game is built on. Genericiding the factions by making it all one big blob is not likely to be good for the IP, CBS, or the longevity of the game.
And again, you already can play any ship you want. You just have to roll the appropriate character.
Yes, we went from a Gorn Science Vessel to a new set of Gorn Science Vessels.
Ground breakingly NEW and not related to each other!
Not completly true - it does have 4 science consoles and commander science BOFF seat, but it does NOT have subsystem targeting, which for me is a "must have" on science ship (and most other carriers have it).
Edit:
Also, with turn rate 8 it was the only one carrier (I think), that it was practical to equip DHC.
Yes, a t6 Kar'Fi with those additions would be pretty boss. Somewhat recently I noticed a Kar'Fi flying around with half its hull invisible, so I guess there's still that, too. I unfortunately wasn't around last winter event to even flag the S'torr event and I don't see it in the phoenix store. It would be great to get one as it's the ONLY event ship that I really would have ever wanted for something besides trait unlock and card.
Did similar to the Romulans too at least once or twice...Hathos Warbird console doesn't connect with Dhelan or Dhael Warbird set.
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It may be a Reman template with the Scimitar materials but it can be customized with the Dhelan and Dhael templates.
The Hathos is a good example. It is a direct continuation of the Dhelan/Dhael line and can use all their parts, yet it doesn't make a set with their already existing set consoles. The other ships in the Hathos' pack also don't have "ancestors" like the Hathos does, which might be why they didn't put together a console set.
On the other hand you have a pack like the T6 Galaxy/Negh'var/D'deridex where the Galaxy and D'deridex consoles add to a set, two different sets that are not a mirrored version of each other, and the Negh'var version is only a standalone console with no set to it.
You also have the odd case of the Defiants and the Galaxy X. The cloak console works for two different sets, and while the quad cannons from the Defiant line can go onto the Galaxy X, the third console in that set can't, and the Defiants can't use the Supplemental Subsystems console to make the other set from the cloak console.
besides, i would think cryptic would just use a class name in a similar vein to atrox and shikaris...whatever either of those terms mean, and if they're even related to each other, i have no idea
edit: oh, apparently 'atrox' is latin for 'savage' and 'shikaris is...hindi, i think? for 'hunter' (the atrox page on gamepedia had the meaning on the page, but the shikaris one didn't, so i decided to plug the word into google translate and see if it had anything on it, which is why i said i THINK the word is hindi - google's okay, but it don't beat a real translator)
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
As you said, shikaris (plural of shikari) is Urdu/Hindi for hunter.
Atrox is Latin for cruel, fierce, savage, and is part of the Latin name for the extinct American lion (Panthera atrox).
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Fascinating!
Yeah.....if the Feds don't get a set bonus then the others aren't going to get one probably.
I would not draw that conclusion from so few examples, but I sadly would not be surprised that they wouldn't put in minimal effort to create a unique set for other factions.
It's not just a few examples, it's a history that goes back as far as the game does...that Feds get preferential treatment and the other factions typically get the shaft.