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Kelvin Star Trek 4 has a new writer/director
khan5000
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It is probably just as well, since the original storyline from four would have been impossible according to how time is supposed to work in the Kelvin line. When 2009 came out they made a big deal about how the "go back and fix it" stuff doesn't work there, it just causes another branch if you can go back at all (any kind of time travel was supposed to be very much harder to do than it is in prime).
The Kelvin stuff is shaky enough with the fans as it is, ignoring their original statements would only serve to further annoy the fanbase.
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There are still ways they could get Hemsworth back in without violating the time rules, though some of them are rather far fetched. The easiest way would be crosstime, the Prime George Kirk wasn't killed until 2246 in the Tarsus IV disaster for instance, and other versions could have lasted longer than that.
Also it is possible that after steering close enough that a miss was impossible he could have tried transporting off Kelvin but ran out of time and got stuck in the buffer or whatever and the device went unnoticed until "current" Kelvin time. Maybe Scotty gets ahold of it in a pile of salvage at a garage sale and tries using it for some experiment and accidentally materializes George K. or whatever. There are a lot of possibilities, and Kelvin stuff is not exactly serious science fiction to begin with.
I kinda wish they'd try at least once a a more typical Star Trek story instead of having the "save Earth/Federation" stories. Go for a smaller budget with less flashy effects, but a good script, good story-telling, good characterization. Of course, that isn't easy, either.
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The size of the budget never determines how good a movie is. Only good storytelling and writing can determine how good a movie is. There are numerous examples of expensive flops and inexpensive masterpieces. A smaller budget can force the creators of a movie to focus more on the writing and storytelling to compensate for their lack of a good CGI budget.
True, in fact one of the most popular of the Star Trek moves was both relatively small budget and was not "the one ship that can save the Federation" style: The Wrath of Khan.
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> True, in fact one of the most popular of the Star Trek moves was both relatively small budget and was not "the one ship that can save the Federation" style: The Wrath of Khan.
Technically it did though. Khan had the Genesis device and it was implied it could be used as a weapon. If Kirk didn’t coax him into a fight who know what Khan would have done or as McCoy put it “Universal Armageddon”.
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McCoy did tend to be a bit melodramatic. The genesis device was a bit faster at destroying worlds, but once you get down to it it was no more destructive than a cruiser carpetbombing a world with photon torpedoes (it would not take many to do that either).
The fact that one long range torpedo getting through would do the trick all on its own would make it a good terror weapon though, sort of like a Trek allegory to strategic nuclear weapons, but it probably would not have been some ultimate weapon in Klingon hands any more than it was in Tzenkethi hands later in STO. All in all, it was the same kind of story as "Balance of Terror" were they discouraged or prevented the use of a new and highly destructive weapon that may have encouraged the enemy to start a war had it not been circumvented.
SPOCK: Really, Doctor, you must learn to govern your passions. They will prove your undoing. Logic suggests--
McCOY: Logic?? My God, the man's talking about logic! We're talking about Armageddon! Universal, candy-coated Armageddon!!
I mean, as Spock said earlier in that conversation, if it were used where life existed, it would destroy such life in favor of its new matrix. You'd need one warhead for each of the major planets in the Federation, and you could bring the entire thing to its alien equivalent of knees.
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Depends on how difficult it is to acquire protomatter in the 23rd Century. There are far more easier and cheaper methods to destroy a planet than a flawed terraforming device. The problem with the Genesis Device could have been due to it being used on a Nebula to create a planet and not terraforming an existing planet which is mentioned in the Genesis Wave novels.
Agreed. While McCoy didn’t know about Khan escaping he was worried about the Genesis Device being used as a weapon, being in the wrong hands and if anyone was the right hands. Khan would have used it as a weapon. Even the Klingons in TVH saw the device as a weapon.
So my original point still stands that they did sort of save the galaxy in WOK.
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Interesting, but take it all with a grain of salt.
If someone wants to take out a populace, then introducing a virus that wipes out the populace or something similar to a neutron bomb would be far more effective. The Genesis Device would be more useful for extremely alien races that want to remove the populace and terraform the world to their specifications. Personally, I dislike the word terraform when it doesn't deal with turning an alien world into something similar to Earth, but turning Earth or an alien world into a different type of alien world.
Drop a Genesis Device, though, and not only is the planetary population eliminated and the mess cleaned up, but anything in the ecosystem that isn't right for you goes away. Planet's a little too heavy (or too light)? Atmosphere not quite right? Too many hostile animals/plants/combinations? No problem - we don't just cleanse the world of life, we replace that life with something more to our liking. It's like weaponizing Magrathea.
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> Oh good grief. Another stupid video from that idiot.
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Still, that is true of the genesis device as well, since there is no telling when the artificially created environment might go unstable and kill anyone who happens to be on the planet at the time with various radiations or bio-horrors, or even blow up the planet itself.
An alien race with iron-based blood creating a virus that targets aliens with copper-based blood would certainly prevent the virus from killing both sides. So just because bioweapons used on humans have a very good chance of backfiring, doesn't mean the same can be said for using bioweapons on aliens.