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Please add more NPC cameos (like Shon, Franklin Drake and so on)
tharilion
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I personally would love to see more cameos of NPCs that we met earlier in the storylines such as Captain Shon, Commander Kurland and Franklin Drake (the section 31 guy).
Of course such as Commander Kurland is more or less bound to DS9 if there is a great war / fight coming up (such as the iconian war) it would make sense to include him. Unfortunately he wasn't part of the new DS9 story episodes. Maybe I am the only one liking him.
For Shon and the Enterprise I think it makes sense to see them more often - he could have easily replace the new Andorian captain in the new episode (beneath the skin). He only shows up in the story very late at the end of the fight and only if you do not kill the last enemies too fast and he has no impact on the story, no dialog, just helps in the battle (which is better than nothing of course). I hope we will see more of him and the Enterprise.
And Franklin Drake should not be so hard to include either.
Of course, no idea if the voice actors are still available but again, just my opinion that I like to see more of them in the future.
With one exception: I have enough of Sela for a lifetime - I don't want to see her again for a very long time.
How about you? Happy to leave the older NPCs behind or any favourites you like to see?
Of course such as Commander Kurland is more or less bound to DS9 if there is a great war / fight coming up (such as the iconian war) it would make sense to include him. Unfortunately he wasn't part of the new DS9 story episodes. Maybe I am the only one liking him.
For Shon and the Enterprise I think it makes sense to see them more often - he could have easily replace the new Andorian captain in the new episode (beneath the skin). He only shows up in the story very late at the end of the fight and only if you do not kill the last enemies too fast and he has no impact on the story, no dialog, just helps in the battle (which is better than nothing of course). I hope we will see more of him and the Enterprise.
And Franklin Drake should not be so hard to include either.
Of course, no idea if the voice actors are still available but again, just my opinion that I like to see more of them in the future.
With one exception: I have enough of Sela for a lifetime - I don't want to see her again for a very long time.
How about you? Happy to leave the older NPCs behind or any favourites you like to see?
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Their respective voice actors are all professional voice actors, so SAG cards are not the issue. Although, it is the issue with regard to Kurland. Our own Borticus did the voice for Kurland back when the game didn't require voice acting to have a SAG card. Bort does not have one. Therefore, no more Kurland, unless they use recycled audio like in "Midnight".
Franklin Drake, being Section 31, just needs that hook to be included in a mission. So, unless Section 31 is somehow involved, we probably won't see him again until then. But given Section 31's involvement in DSC S2 and its upcoming spin off show, there's definitely a possibility of seeing more of Drake in the future.
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In the earlier story lines we had quite a lot interaction with them and I don't think it takes away from the player character experience. We have a lot powerful enemies to fight and having Enterprise or the other captains to help like in the iconian war would just show how dangerous the situation is and it feels more epic.
And I think it is not too unreasonable to expect that even the Enterprise might need some help with dangerous situations now and then - I don't think Enterprise or the other flag ships are more powerful than the player character ship.
We do have often help - for example from Kuumaarke. Instead of using her all the time maybe sometimes they can use Shon or the other NPCs more often.
And I hope it is not just Shon for federation - my federation aligned Rom would like to see the Enterprise helping along too.
Thank you for the information - I didn't know that a SAG card is now mandatory. So they would need to use a different voice actor or Borticus need to get one but I guess if he is not doing regularly voice acting this is not an option. And using a different voice actor would not really be the same. Shame, I really like Kurland.
I am a little concerned they will just focus on the new characters and forget about him. Hopefully that is not the case. Actually, they could always add him by saying section 31 is investigating something and asks us to help. But instead of just being a quest giver I would love to have more interaction with him, like having him accompany us on a mission.
Are they all SAG members though since IIRC even now not all voice actors are SAG members, even fairly common names. US (or Canada) based voice actors that is, obviously the ones from my home country wouldn't have SAG membership as a rule of thumb (though they might have the membership to the finnish equilevant).
It would be intresting if STO devs will try to explain the rather obvious contrast between s31 in DS9 and DSC.
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That's the point, union membership. SAG probably allows brother/sister union membership for actors in other countries though that is a guess.
I'd like to see more of the STO original characters too, though. I've never really been a fan of the excessive reuse of actual ST actors. It makes it feel too much like STO can't do anything without reminding us of the shows instead of capturing its theme and story and working out something new. The whole union nonsense seems to make it worse.
Obviously STO has done a lot of original stuff, but often it feels very tethered to tying in the shows at every opportunity, as if nothing exists outside the established show canon and STO can bring brief mentions to life but can't do a whole lot new. Consider any episode where ST invented a new alien and maybe turned them into a major villain or something. They didn't exist in ST canon prior to that episode. They were made up and put into the show.
The Deferi and Lukari are probably one of the very few examples STO wholly invented (I think.) I liked meeting them because I had no idea what to expect and where their stories would go, though I was less fond of the storylines that felt compelled to bring in established stuff from Trek. Not to say they weren't enjoyable overall, but I'd really like to see STO branch out and grow on its own.
Sigh. No, STO specifically had nothing to do with it.
SAG membership agreed that if a game wanted to use SAG actors (like, for example, all of the Trek cast), then that game needed to use SAG (or comparable union) actors for all of its voice acting.
The effects are to give the union more power to set terms, and to give more protection to the actors working on a game.
It wasn't just about money, but also protecting their voice. For example if an actor was doing a lot of screaming and yelling which stresses their vocal cords, they can set limits on how much of it to do in one day.
I've never read anything about Cryptic mistreating voice actors, but actors did talk about other game studios doing it.
I'm in favor of fair treatment for actors even if it does mean no more Kurland here.
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I'm not in favor of unfair treatment either, but closed shops are complete BS. Its absurd that Cryptic can't use their in house talent because they hired someone else who is a professional actor. They have some good in house talent and them being denied work in their own game because they don't pay union dues is asinine.
I expect adults to be able to negotiate and protect themselves from overwork/abuse, and I think Cryptic is not the sort of employer that is going to be particularly abusive to a voice actor either, so it strikes me as a completely unnecessary arrangement that doesn't actually benefit anyone except the union.
Speaking as somebody who's worked under an IBEW contract, you don't wear PPE -- you know, hard hat, gloves, safety glasses, reflector vest, and steel-toed boots -- because you expect to get hit in the head by random cr@p. You wear it because you don't expect it: the random cr@p isn't going to warn you ahead of time that it's going to hit you in the head.
Union membership is like PPE.
(And that's as far as I'm going to take this.)
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Personally, I just want Cryptic to stop retconning out their original characters and replacing them with TV show cameos. Especially when it turns out like replacing Rugan Skyl with Garak where his racist ranting in "Second Wave" and "Surface Tension" barely has a word changed.
You seriously could've just introduced Garak in a later mission and then said Skyl was finally fired for being a racist SOB.
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And I will ABSOLUTELY agree about replacing Skyl with Garak. I've been complaining about that to friends for AGES. Flatly, the replacement rings hugely false. Garak isn't like that, and even if he were, he knows damned well that Kira would hang him by the privates if he said any of those things. ESPECIALLY the Second Wave one.
I agree with that specific case.
Other additions / replacements with the original cast have improved old episodes, but if they wanted to use Garak they needed to re-write the text to have him stay in character.
The writing for his cameos in a couple of the temporal blogs / logs was well done.
He's saying they could have used Shon for the entire episode instead of bringing him in at the very end.